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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

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Voting closed: August 16, 2016, 09:05:28 AM

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georger

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #675 on: February 13, 2015, 12:22:05 PM »
From the absurd to the absurder:

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Re: [RobertMBlevins] Basic Info on Columbia River Flooding [In reply to]    
What flood? This Search Data Site shows nothing close to flood stage between June 16, 1979 and January 16, 1980. You can go there and set your own dates, get the historical data.

This 'flood of 79-80' could be another Cooper myth, kind of like the one that says there was a big storm the night Cooper jumped...which the records at Weather Underground for November 24, 1971 debunk as well.


Gee Rubbert:  Read the tread? Read the Palmer Report you claim to have! It is all explained there. Then read "Jack & Jill went up the hill".  Simon sayz... don;t be stupid.

 :-\ :-[

[edit] Has any seen Lake Titiqaqa? Was reported heading west on I-80 two days ago.

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #676 on: February 13, 2015, 05:49:55 PM »
Nope.

West on I-80, eh? That's more in 377's baliwick. I'm in the I-90 corridor.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #677 on: February 14, 2015, 07:18:42 AM »
Some people believe Tom Kaye supports a plant. I don't see where he says this.

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we can speculate that he must have had some human interaction that could have eventually led to the money being buried on Tena Bar. How the Cooper bundles came to be buried where they were remains as big a mystery as who D.B. Cooper was.

He is also basing a lot on Cooper jumping miles away from the Columbia, and the money trying to find it's way down to the river. one of my questions to him is asking if he can rule out the money being closer to the river, or directly falling into the river based on jumping further south having the data wrong on the jump itself in the first place.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #678 on: February 14, 2015, 01:33:38 PM »
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Some people believe Tom Kaye supports a plant. I don't see where he says this.

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we can speculate that he must have had some human interaction that could have eventually led to the money being buried on Tena Bar. How the Cooper bundles came to be buried where they were remains as big a mystery as who D.B. Cooper was.

He is also basing a lot on Cooper jumping miles away from the Columbia, and the money trying to find it's way down to the river. one of my questions to him is asking if he can rule out the money being closer to the river, or directly falling into the river based on jumping further south having the data wrong on the jump itself in the first place.
speculate ........ exactly!  finally somebody sees it! Took years with Blevins doing all of his made-up conspiracy theory stuff in the meantime  This is one of the reasons I wanted Kaye to come here to clear up a few lose ends.
I have never thought Tom was saying the money at Tina was definitely a "plant". It would have been better had Tom simply said: "we dont know how the money got to Tina Bar", and left it at that.

Blevins survives on making things up and distorting what people say. And people just let him do it.

I have tried a million times to document that the FBI and NWA themselves weren't sure where Cooper bailed, and if the Timeline is off by as much as 3-5 minutes, then he did bail further south than originally thought. That brings Cooper and his money closer to the Columbia regardless of which flight path one invokes.

The money was found at a location where just about everything has arrived from water flow. The money was surrounded by artifacts in the same strata (cans, wood, nails, etc) which had arrived by water flow. All of the forensic evidence points to 'arrived by flow'.

The only real options are the same as they always were: (a) the money arrived by flow, or (b) the money arrived with the dredging debris of 1974. And we are no further along in resolving this dilemma than we were in ...... 1980! The Citizen Sleuth Team has provide no new information on the money, so far?

 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #679 on: February 14, 2015, 04:53:21 PM »
Tom was pretty explicit at the 2011 Symposium during his presentation on the Money Find. He said it was a plant, at least that's what I heard.

It was his conclusion after a long descriptive speculation that DBC caught a ride with someone out of the boonies on T-Day and was driven back to PDX. DBC gave the guy some money- oh, 6 grand or so - and then the guy got the jeepers-creepers and buried the dough at T-Bar until his guilt passed.

Total speculation, but some might say it was also total bullshit. But it sounded sooooooooooo good.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #680 on: February 14, 2015, 11:31:54 PM »
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Tom was pretty explicit at the 2011 Symposium during his presentation on the Money Find. He said it was a plant, at least that's what I heard.

It was his conclusion after a long descriptive speculation that DBC caught a ride with someone out of the boonies on T-Day and was driven back to PDX. DBC gave the guy some money- oh, 6 grand or so - and then the guy got the jeepers-creepers and buried the dough at T-Bar until his guilt passed.

Total speculation, but some might say it was also total bullshit. But it sounded sooooooooooo good.

Hollywood Kaye has a reputation as a Grandstander.
 
There is no evidence for a plant. None. And Kaye knows it!




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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #681 on: February 14, 2015, 11:36:55 PM »
I wasn't there, but it doesn't sound like something he would say? he points out that it's speculation on his website. hopefully he will discuss the matter here.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #682 on: February 14, 2015, 11:54:26 PM »
I sure was surprised when Tommy started spinning his story.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #683 on: February 15, 2015, 12:58:15 AM »
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I sure was surprised when Tommy started spinning his story.

IF SOMEONE HAS EVIDENCE OF A PLANT - LET THEM PRESENT IT! OTHERWISE ... absence of evidence of a firm date and flow route does not constitute evidence of a plant, or a moose, or anything else!

Tom has even admitted publicly there is no evidence of a plant.

The entire history of this whole matter had been written at Dropzone several times. If people are too lazy or forgot to read it or whatever, that is their problem. It allows people like Weber and Blevins to rubberize the same old propaganda and cliches - forever.  Kaye gave up trying to correct people. Kaye's problem however was that he grandstanded and played Mr. Hollywood on TV and elsewhere, so nobody was listening to him or taking him seriously ... and as a result Blevins even quotes and misquotes him (Kaye) with impunity today.

It has worn serious people down to the point nobody who matters gives a shit anymore.

   

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #684 on: February 16, 2015, 08:44:52 AM »
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I think the riverbed is much like a tainted crime scene, or disturbed. it's been compromised many times over with dredging. I don't know if anything of value is left? even if something was there I'm guessing it would be covered making it even harder to find. NMIwrecks would have a better answer on this.

Unfortunately, the possibility of finding anything in that area is very slim to none.  The water-flow would have moved, covered or destroyed anything significant a long time ago.  I suspect someone searching in that area would come across all kinds of cultural artifacts (junk) making it even harder to discern something that could be relevant.  Rivers are a tough place to work in.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #685 on: February 16, 2015, 02:29:11 PM »
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I think the riverbed is much like a tainted crime scene, or disturbed. it's been compromised many times over with dredging. I don't know if anything of value is left? even if something was there I'm guessing it would be covered making it even harder to find. NMIwrecks would have a better answer on this.

Unfortunately, the possibility of finding anything in that area is very slim to none.  The water-flow would have moved, covered or destroyed anything significant a long time ago.  I suspect someone searching in that area would come across all kinds of cultural artifacts (junk) making it even harder to discern something that could be relevant.  Rivers are a tough place to work in.

Maybe a piece of the parachute still intact and identifiable? That's what 377 (and the FBI) wants someone to find. I dont underestimate the guys with metal detectors - its amazing what they find and they are a persistent bunch!
 :)   I just think Tosaw should have spent some time in that location and apparently he didn't?
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #686 on: February 16, 2015, 02:36:09 PM »
Block of money at 1980 news conference?

I thought the Ingrams had separated all of the bundles they found and turned in groups like those in the news conference photo below - ???

Now I find the photo below apparently from the news conference? It shows a whole intact block of money. This is the only photo I have ever seen showing a large intact block of money from the Ingram find. Does anyone have any more photos like this? Note the tight alignment and wear pattern on the whole block. This is an interesting photo especially in light of trying to reconstruct the bundles the Ingrams originally found ???

Did this photo come from Shutter?

 
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #687 on: February 16, 2015, 05:09:29 PM »
Wonderful photos of the chunks of money.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #688 on: February 16, 2015, 06:06:47 PM »
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Block of money at 1980 news conference?

Brian said on "Flight From Justice" that they were all stuck together. i think this is possibly the reason they use "block"

It's what I been saying for a while now, the "bundles" were stuck together, compressed. possibly from being in one original block over the years in the bag. If Cooper had a tight grip on the bag with the rope. one would think they would compress together?
 

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Block of money at 1980 news conference?

Brian said on "Flight From Justice" that they were all stuck together. i think this is possibly the reason they use "block"

It's what I been saying for a while now, the "bundles" were stuck together, compressed. possibly from being in one original block over the years in the bag. If Cooper had a tight grip on the bag with the rope. one would think they would compress together?

My guess is that the compression in the money bag would only be part of the cause.  The money was apparently exposed to silt and such long enough for it to fill the spaces (however small) between the bills and then solidify.