The rubber bands are here.....

vat size are dey?  dos you know the typengamilderminshaft? attached is the alliance chart pdf

got any way to measure their specific gravity?

I need the length and width.

I need the specific gravity which will type them (chemistry wise) on the Alliance chart. Very likely I can get Alliance to give me their specs if I have the type. If you have a digital scale you can measure their specific gravity as follows: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Its a fun test.

Is there a package with the bands which shows type and other info?  Date of manufacture?

How many bands did he send you? Can you split off one or two and send me - I will let somebody here run them for a complete workup.

 

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I need the length and width.

I need the specific gravity which will type them (chemistry wise) on the Alliance chart. Very likely I can get Alliance to give me their specs if I have the type. If you have a digital scale you can measure their specific gravity as follows: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Its a fun test.

Is there a package with the bands which shows type and other info? 

How many bands did he send you? Can you split off one or two and send me - I will let somebody here run them for a complete workup.

Here is more information on the two packages of Alliance rubber bands that I have had for who knows how long.

Package 1 - 1/4 pound, 113 grams, 3-1/2 inches X 1/4 inches [No. 64], Postal Size, UPC 0 7181500564 1, "Bands may contain talcum powder to prevent abrasion.", apparently manufactured by Alliance in 2001.  There are five bands remaining in this package out of 80+ originally.

Package 2 - 2 ounces (56 grams) net weight, 3 inches X 1/8 inches [No. 32], UPC 0 7181500532 1, "Bands may contain talcum powder to prevent abrasion.", apparently manufactured by Alliance in 2001.  There are at least 50 bands remaining in this package out of 85+ originally.

You can have all of these bands (and the packaging) if you want them.

The No.32 is a possibility. I doubt it was a No.64. When I talked to Alliance last week they thought is might have been a No.12 Long sent Kaye, but they couldn't document that. Dennis Long has been gone from Alliance for almost two years so he isn't available to ask.

Alliance said they doubted they ever supplied any bands directly to Sea First at Seattle; they said they only supply distributors so it would have been a distributor that supplied Sea First. How Long or Kaye determined the exact rubber band Sea First used on the bundles is uncertain. Alliance said a bank would normally have a number of different types of bands at it's disposal but banks use a lot of No.12's.

The guy at Alliance looked at Tom's chart on Tom's webpage and said that is definitely a 3mm = 1/8th inch band. Now if we can just get Shutter to tell us the length, but again unless Tom or someone has some documentation as to the bands Sea First used ... we are guessing.

[edit] When the guy at Alliance looked at Tom's photos he said 3mm is a 1/8th inch band, but then Tom does not state the rest length! Tom states he stretched the bands 150% etc etc, and the guy at Alliance said he had no idea what rest length Tom was using based on Tom's stretch numbers. The Alliance guy said 'nothing makes sense except for 3mm = 1/8th inch ................... then Alliance guy said: "This about that DB Cooper thing!" and he laughed. and he said "It's been a weird day" and we laughed.

[edit] will try later near midnight cant wait longer...

Here is a photo of the rubber bands. it's not the best, but it's all I can do at the moment...

He didn't say anything to me about the bands. in fact, when I sent him my address he never replied. they just showed up.

The bands were in a USPS packet/cardboard envelope.

I cut the band so I could get the length. I'll post some more pics.

He didn't say anything to me about the bands. in fact, when I sent him my address he never replied. they just showed up.

The bands were in a Fed ex packet/cardboard envelope.

I cut the band so I could get the length. I'll post some more pics.

Ok. Send me two if you will for lab tests. I will email you.

Now, perimeter P on a $2000 bundle of 100 bills is: 6.08 inches. If the bands used were No.33 that means there was only a 73% extension of a single band if double wrapped. That is not very much pressure. Tom's lowest extension was a 150% extension, as I recall. Let me see what I can dig up next week on how the guy at the bank applied the bands. But, if the bands weren't extended much beyond their 3 3/8" rest length that alone would increase their lifetime simply due to less stress. How that affects holding power on the bundles is another matter. If some of the bundles were more than $2000 and some less, then again stress varies accordingly. This is kind of interesting...

Do you have a digital scale? Can do conduct a test for specific gravity, as per the link I gave earlier? If not I can do that here. That will class the bands on the Alliance charts according to chemistry (density) of the molecular mix. That mix affects aging.

Lastly:  someone back a page asked about 'any signs of bands or band aging marks on the bills' and some shared photos of such marks left on paper etc. There may be another wear pattern indicative of where a rubber band was placed on the Cooper bills. Stress points of contact between the bands and paper may result in a characteristic wear pattern at the stress points of contact. The more pressure a band applies at a contact point, the weaker the paper fibres become over time and wear usually occurs fastest at a structures weak points.... in theory. Here's a photo. I have checked the points where bands may have caused a wear pattern?
 

 

I don't have a digital scale here.

It was me asking about the bands wondering if they would get what I called a "Tan Line" or protection from the bands causing a thin line to appear where the bands once were located.

Anyone ever seen a bill with a 'band line'?

I guess the Ingrams did, or saw something. Once again, neither the Ingrams or Kaye have explained exactly what they did see and how. All we have is: Fact: Rubber bands were found intact on the bundles of D.B. Cooper money but crumbled off when touched. The rubber bands around the Cooper bundles were extremely degraded but still in their proper positions when found. If the bundles had been exposed to the elements for an extended period, then the rubber should have degraded and lost the ability to hold the bundles together. Since the rubber bands were found intact, this places a "degradation limit" on when the bundles became buried on Tena Bar.

Tom is clearly saying in the above: If the bundles had been exposed to the elements for an extended period, then the rubber should have degraded and lost the ability to hold the bundles together. - the bands were holding the bundles together - but were also -extremely degraded -  and crumbled off when touched

Let's just call them the Magical Ingram X-File Bands    

Who decided there were three bundles? I guess the FBI did. It's right in Tom's quote from the FBI, quote: "FBI Transcript: "As he did so, the boy turned up three bundles of money wrapped with rubber bands, ..."  So, it was the FBI determined there were three bundles.. not Kaye ... not the Ingrams. We can surmise it was the total amount of money that lead to the statement 'three bundles', vs. "three actual bundles defined by rubber bands defining three bundles? I seriously doubt Ton Kaye knows. He wasn't there, but it doesn't stop him talking about it without knowing!

The Ingrams never reported finding three bundles, did they? Three bundles defined by rubber bands around each bundle? The Ingrams didn't turn in three bundles. The Ingrams turned in twelve groups of money shown arranged on a table in the FBI press conference photo. Moreover, neither the FBI or Brian Ingram has ever shown us a photo of a bill with a rubber band on it .... or a bundle with rubber bands on it!

Question for Brian and the Ingrams all still alive in Arkansas: "Where did you see rubber bands in the money you pulled out of the sand? Did the money come out in groups/bundles with old rubber bands visible on each of those groups"?

Or, was this money a plant and you were part of the Conspiracy?

 

 

I tried something, but I only had 20 bills on me. if I wrapped the bands twice around 20 bills they collapsed. it wasn't close enough to 100 bills, but thought I'd give it a shot.

Here is 20 bills with a single band on them.