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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

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Voting closed: August 16, 2016, 09:05:28 AM

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Offline Shutter

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« Reply #90 on: August 22, 2014, 07:34:20 PM »
Georger, I removed one photo. I'm not sure if that is right, so I'll wait for your reply.

I also increased the photo uploads. you should be able to post up to 3 photo's at 192 KB's.....
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« Reply #91 on: August 22, 2014, 08:07:28 PM »
Holding my jets.  Saying nothing for a change.

Think I'll go for a walk.....

BTW:  JUst tried to get in touch with paul Neevel, the guy who interviewed Tina for the Eugene newspaper, which sounds like an alternative press kind of thing.
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« Reply #92 on: August 22, 2014, 08:14:59 PM »
The only way move photo's is to take them from where they are originating from. you just right click on the photo and save them to your computer. you really can't move the photo's, other than in a quote.

right click...save image as....
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« Reply #93 on: August 22, 2014, 09:35:22 PM »
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« Reply #94 on: August 22, 2014, 09:37:40 PM »
Just got an email from a Steve Elliott, a filmmaker in NYC, who says he wants to write a screenplay on McCoy. He and I will be meeting for beers at McSorleys in September when I get into town for my sister's wedding.

Updates to follow.
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« Reply #95 on: August 22, 2014, 10:01:46 PM »
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Based on my memory of Meyer Louie's and my visit to Tina Bar, the money location on your last picture should be moved about 50-75 yards south (to the bottom of the picture).  Tom Kaye's GPS coordinates gave a position that was just down the hill toward the water from the Fazio's dairy containment pit.  And that pit is just over the fence (north side) from the road that leads out from the Fazio's buildings to the "Tina Bar" sign.

The original "50-75 years" in the above has been changed to "50-75 yards".
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« Reply #96 on: August 22, 2014, 10:04:53 PM »
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Based on my memory of Meyer Louie's and my visit to Tina Bar, the money location on your last picture should be moved about 50-75 yards south (to the bottom of the picture).  Tom Kaye's GPS coordinates gave a position that was just down the hill toward the water from the Fazio's dairy containment pit.  And that pit is just over the fence (north side) from the road that leads out from the Fazio's buildings to the "Tina Bar" sign.

The original "50-75 years" in the above has been changed to "50-75 yards".


I went back to your original post and added "yards"

I also added a 5 hr window for edits. I didn't realize it was set for 60 minutes...
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« Reply #97 on: August 22, 2014, 10:17:33 PM »
Thanks.  I need to do better proofreading and maybe get some new glasses as well.
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« Reply #98 on: August 22, 2014, 10:22:24 PM »
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Thanks.  I need to do better proofreading and maybe get some new glasses as well.

I can stare at what I just typed and see nothing wrong until I post it, and right away I see the problems. never fails.... :(
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« Reply #99 on: August 23, 2014, 08:12:01 AM »
Kaye is not sure of that, and his reason is the rubber bands. They were extremely fragile and turned to powder as soon as Ingram touched them, but they were still in place around the money.

Kaye said that rubber bands of that type will last less than three months in the water but that they could have been preserved if they were buried in sand. From that, he postulates that the cash reached Tena Bar much sooner than thought.

"The story that the money spent many, many years somewhere else and ended up on Tena Bar is probably wrong," Kaye said. "It ended up on Tena Bar much sooner, probably shortly after he jumped."

He does not rule out the possibility that the hijacker and parachutes fell directly into the Columbia and were soon swept into the Pacific Ocean.

"It tells you (the money) likely didn't come down 20 miles of the Washougal River," Kaye said. "Then it brings up the question of where did Cooper really jump. We have reason to believe the jump zone was farther south. If the money landed in the Columbia, that would be the easiest explanation for how it got to Tena Bar."

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« Reply #100 on: August 23, 2014, 02:45:43 PM »
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Based on my memory of Meyer Louie's and my visit to Tina Bar, the money location on your last picture should be moved about 50-75 yards south (to the bottom of the picture).  Tom Kaye's GPS coordinates gave a position that was just down the hill toward the water from the Fazio's dairy containment pit.  And that pit is just over the fence (north side) from the road that leads out from the Fazio's buildings to the "Tina Bar" sign.

will get back to this when I have time - go with Tom's photos.
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« Reply #101 on: August 23, 2014, 02:50:56 PM »
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Georger, I removed one photo. I'm not sure if that is right, so I'll wait for your reply.

I also increased the photo uploads. you should be able to post up to 3 photo's at 192 KB's.....

You removed the right one - the easiest thing for me to do at some point is to post several graphics Tom sent - you will see the contradiction I missed. I tend to go with Tom's version (the correct Tom's version) vs. Snowman or Sluggo's version neither of who were there.

I am extremely busy right now and will hopfully get back to this. I dont even want to post what I think are Tom's coordinates .... maybe there are two versions of that in my files! Later ...

Edit:  Here is a set of coordinates I think came from Tom Kaye. I would use these until something better comes up.
 
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« Reply #102 on: August 26, 2014, 05:33:31 AM »
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Just got an email from a Steve Elliott, a filmmaker in NYC, who says he wants to write a screenplay on McCoy. He and I will be meeting for beers at McSorleys in September when I get into town for my sister's wedding.

Updates to follow.

Richard McCoy's is one fascinating story. I hope it doesn't get me thrown in the dungeon for suggesting it, but IMO McCoy's story would make a better screenplay than would D.B. Cooper's.

Why? Firstly, McCoy's story is known pretty much from go to whoa. So there's no need for guess work in joining the dots. Secondly, how many offer such an amazing, yet tragic, story? War hero. Sunday school teacher. Skyjacker. Twice an escapee. Bank robber. Shot dead by the F.B.I. The McCoy story is one with the lot including the fries.
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« Reply #103 on: August 26, 2014, 05:45:44 AM »
I've never understood why the F.B.I. reason the money find at Tena Bar supports what appears to be their long held theory that D.B. Cooper didn't survive his jump.

From what I've read there's just no way possible Bill Rataczak swerved far enough off course for Cooper to have dropped the money directly onto Tena Bar, and all the explanations for it having got there "naturally" seem to be far fetched.

For what it's worth I see the most logical ways for the money to have got to Tena bar as:

1/ Somebody put it there. Whether it was Cooper, an accomplice or someone who just plain found the money elsewhere.

2/ Dr. Leonard Palmer got it wrong regarding the layers in the sand, and a dredge actually deposited the money from somewhere else far closer to the Flight 305 flight path onto Tena Bar.
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« Reply #104 on: August 26, 2014, 12:01:33 PM »
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I've never understood why the F.B.I. reason the money find at Tena Bar supports what appears to be their long held theory that D.B. Cooper didn't survive his jump.

From what I've read there's just no way possible Bill Rataczak swerved far enough off course for Cooper to have dropped the money directly onto Tena Bar, and all the explanations for it having got there "naturally" seem to be far fetched.

For what it's worth I see the most logical ways for the money to have got to Tena bar as:

1/ Somebody put it there. Whether it was Cooper, an accomplice or someone who just plain found the money elsewhere.

2/ Dr. Leonard Palmer got it wrong regarding the layers in the sand, and a dredge actually deposited the money from somewhere else far closer to the Flight 305 flight path onto Tena Bar.

keep in mind this is if the flight path is correct. we must assume that everything said is correct. we have found out many time this is not always true. lots of different theories, and discussions about the money. I'm currently working on the flight path with a simulator. are you aware the jump time is now considered further south which puts him closer to the columbia, and other surrounding waters?
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