I have noted several things in the past that I question from the CS site. It's not so much the science as it that I think they jumped to some conclusions with not enough information. 
I also wonder about some of the information that came from the FBI files. I wonder when some of that info was recorded.
For example, they cite that the dredge used was from the  General Construction Company, but, it appears (from a cursory look -- I haven't researched this) that the General Construction Company wasn't even in existence then. I'm looking into this.

Also some statements inferred that the money wouldn't make it through a 24 inch dredge pipe with a blade, but no corroborating information was given to back this up. Has anyone actually talked to a dredge man? Or the company to see if they have records from then? Or, in general, what kind of bones, pottery, or other objects have been recovered from dredge materials using similar type dredges?

I'm not automatically dismissing what Kaye states, some of it makes sense, but I am skeptical of the background info that he used - such as reports knowing the exact placement of the money find in relation to the exact placement of the dredge pipe. I am also not entirely convinced that the comparison overlay photos are precisely placed, and that the Palmer report can be so easily laid aside.

I have noted several things in the past that I question from the CS site. It's not so much the science as it that I think they jumped to some conclusions with not enough information. 
I also wonder about some of the information that came from the FBI files. I wonder when some of that info was recorded.
For example, they cite that the dredge used was from the  General Construction Company, but, it appears (from a cursory look -- I haven't researched this) that the General Construction Company wasn't even in existence then. I'm looking into this.

Also some statements inferred that the money wouldn't make it through a 24 inch dredge pipe with a blade, but no corroborating information was given to back this up. Has anyone actually talked to a dredge man? Or the company to see if they have records from then? Or, in general, what kind of bones, pottery, or other objects have been recovered from dredge materials using similar type dredges?

I'm not automatically dismissing what Kaye states, some of it makes sense, but I am skeptical of the background info that he used - such as reports knowing the exact placement of the money find in relation to the exact placement of the dredge pipe. I am also not entirely convinced that the comparison overlay photos are precisely placed, and that the Palmer report can be so easily laid aside.

I have the same questions -

The dredge spoil pipe locations (2 of them) are visible on the USGS Sept 1974 photo. Tom explains on his website how he located and placed the Ingram find in relation to the spoils locations on the USGS 1974 photo using high quality photos of the Ingram find location the FBI has, and used trees and other benchmarks that are visible in both the FBI and USGS photos.

I dont know the company that was used or the type or name of the dredge.

 

Carr fails to note the company, but says this:

"The person who actually managed the operation in 74 was interviewed by agents after the find in 80. He is the one who gave comment about junk from the bottom being processed through the dredge. i'll go back and dredge up the interview. As i rememeber he gave the impression anything sent through, like bags of cash, would have been torn apart."

From CS site:
3. FBI Transcript, Benchly: "The dredge "Washington" of the General Construction Company did the dredging on this project. It had a 24 inch pipe with a wiper bar inside the pipe. The wiper bar keeps large objects such as rocks from passing through the pipe.
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Carr fails to note the company, but says this:

"The person who actually managed the operation in 74 was interviewed by agents after the find in 80. He is the one who gave comment about junk from the bottom being processed through the dredge. i'll go back and dredge up the interview. As i rememeber he gave the impression anything sent through, like bags of cash, would have been torn apart."

From CS site:
3. FBI Transcript, Benchly: "The dredge "Washington" of the General Construction Company did the dredging on this project. It had a 24 inch pipe with a wiper bar inside the pipe. The wiper bar keeps large objects such as rocks from passing through the pipe.
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JACK BECHLY, Civil Engineer Chief , Waterways Maintenance Branch, Navigation Division, U.S. Army Engineer District.

Paraphrasing, he said a 'package of money of the stated size would be broken into pieces by the auger, before passing through the pipe and being deposited on the beach.' So, he does not rule out 'pieces' being passed through the pipe to be 'deposited on the beach'.

That is from the file Tom is quoting.

Lots of things to consider. the auger is a slow RPM head. the bit could of only grabbed part of the money, or the bag causing the bag to break open, and the money escapes. it could of sucked a large portion of it up, and several bundles remained intact. I'm not sold on the dredge theory, but believe it's a point of interest...

Maybe what we need to focus on is how does the money package become a part of the channel bottom sediment to be dredged up at all ? That to me is the hard question.

It's troubling to say the least, but if we can note that the plane crossed upstream from the money find you would think a connection is already present? this is a primary reason I want to see what the money does contained in a bank bag submerged under water.

A small bundle with rubber bands included inside a bank bag. we need to also put a small bundle exposed outside of the bag to show any difference between the two. how can this not not help in trying to establish the possibilities of the dredge involvement, or exclude the possibility?

Will it fade the bills, or cause the ink to blotch, or smear? the speculation can go on another 50 years if we don't try and do something. what can it hurt?


Added: We also can't exclude the possibility of Cooper landing around the Tena bar area.

What if Brian Ingram's parent planted the money at T-Bar and gave very subtle hints to their young boy where to "prepare" a campfire site?

What if the parents found the degraded money somewhere else and wanted to test the waters on third party ownership claims and whether it could be redeemed by an innocent finder?

What better way than to have a child find a small portion of the loot and see what followed?

Crazy idea, and unlikely to be accurate, but I can't see a natural means of transport to the T-Bar money find location so I resort to far out ideas.

Does it strike others as odd that a family would be picnicking by the river on a winter night?

Why is an preparation needed for a campfire on sand. i.e. why was Brian digging at all? Was it windy that night? Was a fire pit needed?

I wonder if other DZ refugees will show up here? Jo cant live without posting so I expect her to arrive soon.

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Now that you mentioned a campfire, my neighbor lets her kids build a fire in the back of her house. she did the same by digging a hole, and putting stones around the outside....I think it's a natural thing to do vs safety?

I took this photo a couple weeks ago.....

What if Brian Ingram's parent planted the money at T-Bar and gave very subtle hints to their young boy where to "prepare" a campfire site?

What if the parents found the degraded money somewhere else and wanted to test the waters on third party ownership claims and whether it could be redeemed by an innocent finder?

What better way than to have a child find a small portion of the loot and see what followed?

Crazy idea, and unlikely to be accurate, but I can't see a natural means of transport to the T-Bar money find location so I resort to far out ideas.

Does it strike others as odd that a family would be picnicking by the river on a winter night?

Why is an preparation needed for a campfire on sand. i.e. why was Brian digging at all? Was it windy that night? Was a fire pit needed?

I wonder if other DZ refugees will show up here? Jo cant live without posting so I expect her to arrive soon.

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I've thought about it, but ya gotta remember what it's like here in February. If you wait for a "nice" day for your weenie roast, you'd be waiting for a long time. "Good enough" days are partly-cloudy with occasional "sun breaks". Chilly, in the low 40s. It's never really winter in western Washington until it's ARCTIC-WEEK. Then it's 7 degrees and two feet of snow, and NO power.....

The toughest February that I've experienced was 22 straight days of rain.