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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

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Offline Shutter

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #690 on: February 16, 2015, 08:41:36 PM »
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Block of money at 1980 news conference?

Brian said on "Flight From Justice" that they were all stuck together. i think this is possibly the reason they use "block"

It's what I been saying for a while now, the "bundles" were stuck together, compressed. possibly from being in one original block over the years in the bag. If Cooper had a tight grip on the bag with the rope. one would think they would compress together?

My guess is that the compression in the money bag would only be part of the cause.  The money was apparently exposed to silt and such long enough for it to fill the spaces (however small) between the bills and then solidify.


Agreed, it's going to basically take full form, rather than "200 bundles"

Now, what broke up "the block"
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #691 on: February 16, 2015, 10:08:00 PM »
The 200 bundles were under the compression pressures and formed to a bunch of blocks?

Interesting thought.

Then, one batch broke away at appeared at T-Bar?  Cool.

So, we have two extraordinary processes occurring - first the compression scenario, and then the transport to T-Bar.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #692 on: February 16, 2015, 10:28:28 PM »
Brian explains that the money was "stuck together" you can clearly see that in the display. then the finding of extra serial numbers, and stating petrified. it's a possibility, not something to put in stone. I'm not sold that the dredge had nothing to do with the money getting there. I'm not sure of any of this....

To believe a plant vs something natural is more crazy than the above IMO. when I read that 60 foot of chain went through a dredge, or a cannonball. my interest grows. I think another phone call to a dredge company is in order?

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The 200 bundles

Correction. approx. 100 bundles  :D
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #693 on: February 17, 2015, 02:54:27 AM »
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Block of money at 1980 news conference?

Brian said on "Flight From Justice" that they were all stuck together. i think this is possibly the reason they use "block"

It's what I been saying for a while now, the "bundles" were stuck together, compressed. possibly from being in one original block over the years in the bag. If Cooper had a tight grip on the bag with the rope. one would think they would compress together?

If they were buried under sediment that would compress them! Come to think of it, if they were buried sideways they would be squashed ... none of the Ingram bills were ... they were all face side up... flat side up.
 
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #694 on: February 17, 2015, 02:58:38 AM »
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Brian explains that the money was "stuck together" you can clearly see that in the display. then the finding of extra serial numbers, and stating petrified. it's a possibility, not something to put in stone. I'm not sold that the dredge had nothing to do with the money getting there. I'm not sure of any of this....

To believe a plant vs something natural is more crazy than the above IMO. when I read that 60 foot of chain went through a dredge, or a cannonball. my interest grows. I think another phone call to a dredge company is in order?

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The 200 bundles

Correction. approx. 100 bundles  :D

Read all of Snowmman's posts on the dredging and dredging theory...
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #695 on: February 17, 2015, 03:47:40 AM »
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Brian explains that the money was "stuck together" you can clearly see that in the display. then the finding of extra serial numbers, and stating petrified. it's a possibility, not something to put in stone. I'm not sold that the dredge had nothing to do with the money getting there. I'm not sure of any of this....

To believe a plant vs something natural is more crazy than the above IMO. when I read that 60 foot of chain went through a dredge, or a cannonball. my interest grows. I think another phone call to a dredge company is in order?

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The 200 bundles

Correction. approx. 100 bundles  :D

This to me is important .........  I don't think that Brian has ever given a detailed description of the morphology of the find. I seem to remember him telling someone (Kaye or Gray?) that they pulled the money out in two (or more?) batches? I could be wrong about this. I do think everyone has proceeded on the notion that everything the Ingrams found came out of one hole, but did Brian actually say that?

Somewhere in this story is the notion that what the Ingrams found was a single cemented block of money, but I am not certain even that is true. Was it two blocks of money, or three, or five or more, all pulled out of the same hole or general space in the sand? Or was all of the money pulled out of an area a foot or more wide and pulled out in groups? To my knowledge, Brian has never explained this thoroughly if he even can. Maybe in their excitement they didn't keep track!

They say they separated some of the money back at the apartment, soaked some it in order to separate it - that suggests maybe two or more blocks?

The reason I am suspicious about this is again, is the photo below. Try and match up groups to make say two single cemented blocks? Which groups fits on top of which group (1-12) and lines up tears, holes, size, angular formation, etc etc etc ???

All we have to go on is their general story which is vague and very general, as far as I know, and I even asked Brian about this and he said "I dont really remember"!

This question goes to the issue of distribution as the Ingrams found the money on Tina Bar, and distribution (like any pattern of debris) could be important.

 
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #696 on: February 17, 2015, 07:42:25 PM »
What's the deal with stack #10. it has some discoloration at the top. is that the lighting, or could it be exposure to the sun?
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« Reply #697 on: February 18, 2015, 01:36:59 AM »
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What's the deal with stack #10. it has some discoloration at the top. is that the lighting, or could it be exposure to the sun?

It may just be camera focus?
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #698 on: February 26, 2015, 09:54:43 PM »

New forum looks nice!!   Glad to see everyone is staying pretty serious. I just referred someone here.

Tom Kaye
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #699 on: February 26, 2015, 10:00:29 PM »
Hi Tom, If you look back a page I think, the questions are there....


Nice to hear from you again...
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #700 on: February 26, 2015, 10:05:59 PM »
Thanks for the referral, we try to stay focused on the case. I'm also ramping up (finally ;D) with my project....
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #701 on: February 26, 2015, 10:13:50 PM »
From a quick skim of the previous pages...  It seems there is a debate about my claims for the money. Some things have evolved over the years as new evidence comes in so going back to the Nat Geo doc. etc will just confuse the issue. Our final facts and conclusions were stated in detail on Citizensleuths.com

Here are our claims:
The intact rubber bands means the bundles got there sooner than later. They could not tumble down a river for months with the rubber bands intact. Hence river transport OVER A LONG TIME is highly unlikely.

There are no rivers that connect the jump zone to Tena Bar that move things downstream.

After investigating the radar coverage, the transcripts and the placard we have no reason to believe the FBI jump zone is inaccurate. All the evidence lined up on the FBI zone,  Hence the bundles moved about 20 miles.  How that happened is a complete and UTTER mystery. Did Cooper jump over Tena? Maybe, but there is no evidence we can find for that.

There were almost no details about the money dig site. We had to piece the actual location back together from multiple sources. There was a teaspoon of money fragments in the archive but nothing more.

Seems we were wrong about one huge thing.  As it turns out Boeing did use a lot of pure Ti in the SST. We ruled Boeing out early because we thought it was all alloyed. We are now talking with a Boeing Ti engineer that has been working there since  the 80's. That is the new best area for research.

Tom Kaye
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #702 on: February 26, 2015, 10:17:40 PM »
What radar coverage do they have? and what about the possibility of Cooper, or the money landing in the Columbia with the current flight path?
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #703 on: February 26, 2015, 11:16:09 PM »
We studied the SAGE radar system and plotted its coverage against the FBI flight path. The plane was visible through the entire flight by the most sophisticated radar of its day. SAGE was meant to intercept Russian air strikes at great distances, a plane in the back yard was a cake walk.

For the money to land in the Columbia the jump zone would have to be way off.

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« Reply #704 on: February 26, 2015, 11:22:39 PM »
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From a quick skim of the previous pages...  It seems there is a debate about my claims for the money. Some things have evolved over the years as new evidence comes in so going back to the Nat Geo doc. etc will just confuse the issue. Our final facts and conclusions were stated in detail on Citizensleuths.com

Here are our claims:
The intact rubber bands means the bundles got there sooner than later. They could not tumble down a river for months with the rubber bands intact. Hence river transport OVER A LONG TIME is highly unlikely.

There are no rivers that connect the jump zone to Tena Bar that move things downstream.

After investigating the radar coverage, the transcripts and the placard we have no reason to believe the FBI jump zone is inaccurate. All the evidence lined up on the FBI zone,  Hence the bundles moved about 20 miles.  How that happened is a complete and UTTER mystery. Did Cooper jump over Tena? Maybe, but there is no evidence we can find for that.

There were almost no details about the money dig site. We had to piece the actual location back together from multiple sources. There was a teaspoon of money fragments in the archive but nothing more.

Seems we were wrong about one huge thing.  As it turns out Boeing did use a lot of pure Ti in the SST. We ruled Boeing out early because we thought it was all alloyed. We are now talking with a Boeing Ti engineer that has been working there since  the 80's. That is the new best area for research.

Tom Kaye

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The intact rubber bands means the bundles got there sooner than later.

Intact rubber bands when? What are you meaning by "intact"? Just some residue of previously whole viable bands?

So far as I know the Ingrams never reported "intact" rubber bands so what date are you associating with intact bands?

Have you ever seen a bill or a photo of a bill in the Ingram find that shows "intact rubber bands" ?

 
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