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snowmman · « **Reply #6525 on:** September 12, 2021, 08:15:06 PM »

1973 grocery store newspaper ad
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six 12 oz. cans of Sioux City Sarsaparilla for sale at 6/59 cents

no picture of cans in that add. Another add in 1977 has can pic/drawing.
Third grocery ad is from 1976

Sold in Missouri in 1973
Sikeston Daily Standard
08 Aug 1973, Sikeston, Missouri

from other ads:
Also sold in Iowa in 1977
Dubuque Telegraph Herald
02 Jan 1977, Dubuque, Iowa

Also sold in Nebraska in 1977
Lincoln Journal
14 May 1977, Lincoln, Nebraska

Also sold in Snyder Texas in 1979
Snyder Daily News
10 Oct 1979, Snyder, Texas

Also sold in Dover Ohio in 1977
Dover Times Reporter
28 Jul 1977, Dover, Ohio

May suggest it may have only made it's way west in '77 to '80

can picture there: attached (second)

interesting the 1977 ad says "New!"
Both support the 1973 initial manufacture date? (so far)

The earliest year for a hit in newspaperarchive.com is 1973, so that's interesting.

snowmman · « **Reply #6526 on:** September 12, 2021, 08:26:28 PM »

Any theory about the cooper money find, probably needs to reconcile the Sioux City Sarsaparilla find at the same time.

it is a great thing: better for establishing timelines than rubber bands or paper. Metal!
I wonder if the can was aluminum or steel?
was the can(s) crushed at all?

Why hasn't there been more focus on this?

history of beverage cans. interesting six packs arrived in 1972? well if the drink was not pre-73 that doesn't add info. Looks like it was distributed in six packs from the grocery store ads (cans)

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1965 – Aluminum beverage cans introduced.
1965 – Tin-Free-steel (TFS chromium) cans developed.

1967 – DWI aluminum cans (Drawn and Wall Ironed) are developed in the US.

1968 – The first Tin Free Steel (TFS) cans are made in the UK, pushed forward by UK Steel.

1970 – First Earth Day – recycling begins to raise awareness.
1970 – DWI cans take a whole new spin when tinplated two-piece cans are introduced in the UK.

1972 – Multi-packs for beverage cans are introduced (6-packs).

1973 – Indel introduces one of the first tin-plate Coulometric rating systems (SUMETAL)

1980 – Indel introduces one of the first tin-plate Coulometric rating systems (SUMETAL)

1985 – Aluminum cans dominate beverage market.

snowmman · « **Reply #6527 on:** September 12, 2021, 08:38:29 PM »

Here's a Dodge City Sassparilla, not the same, but interesting it's a steel can in 1974

Local Estate Sale Find: This RARE DODGE CITY SASSPARILLA (sarsaparilla) Pull Top Steel Can manufactured in 1974 displays well with great color and graphics. Empty, it still has the pull tab and has not been opened from the bottom. Possesses light wear (see photos).

snowmman · « **Reply #6528 on:** September 12, 2021, 08:53:45 PM »

Here's an older Sioux City Sarsparilla can ..similar construction
from ebay. Description says it's crimped steel. looks that way from seam
year uncertain. If Tena Bar can was steel, I suspect this is a good match.

snowmman · « **Reply #6529 on:** September 12, 2021, 08:54:53 PM »

two more pics with dimension

snowmman · « **Reply #6530 on:** September 12, 2021, 09:02:41 PM »

At newspapers.com found Sioux City Sarsaparilla ads in 1971
almost full page ad from 1971 is attached

in new york
so 1973 was not the first manufacture date!!!
June 23, 1971 earliest date found. (NY)
then July 21,1971 in PA

Newsday (Suffolk Edition)
PAGE 131
Melville, New York
Wednesday, June 23, 1971

Newsday (Nassau Edition)
PAGE 148
Hempstead, New York
Wednesday, June 23, 1971

The Evening Sun
PAGE 39
Hanover, Pennsylvania
Wednesday, July 21, 1971

Lancaster New Era
PAGE 17
Lancaster, Pennsylvania
Wednesday, August 18, 1971

georger · « **Reply #6531 on:** September 12, 2021, 11:39:39 PM »

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Any theory about the cooper money find, probably needs to reconcile the Sioux City Sarsaparilla find at the same time.

it is a great thing: better for establishing timelines than rubber bands or paper. Metal!
I wonder if the can was aluminum or steel?
was the can(s) crushed at all?

Why hasn't there been more focus on this?

history of beverage cans. interesting six packs arrived in 1972? well if the drink was not pre-73 that doesn't add info. Looks like it was distributed in six packs from the grocery store ads (cans)

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1965 – Aluminum beverage cans introduced.
1965 – Tin-Free-steel (TFS chromium) cans developed.

1967 – DWI aluminum cans (Drawn and Wall Ironed) are developed in the US.

1968 – The first Tin Free Steel (TFS) cans are made in the UK, pushed forward by UK Steel.

1970 – First Earth Day – recycling begins to raise awareness.
1970 – DWI cans take a whole new spin when tinplated two-piece cans are introduced in the UK.

1972 – Multi-packs for beverage cans are introduced (6-packs).

1973 – Indel introduces one of the first tin-plate Coulometric rating systems (SUMETAL)

1980 – Indel introduces one of the first tin-plate Coulometric rating systems (SUMETAL)

1985 – Aluminum cans dominate beverage market.

all good questions - think the Sioux City Sarsparilla can was steel ? - same strata as money? The Ingrams saw a can or two - Pat said there were can's "nearby". which is interesting but no way to know if they were the cans the excavation found ...she volunteered that before I had ever heard of the cans through gov docs!

If the Ingrams had photographed themselves finding the money or the money in the sand, those photos might be worth more than the money today! Pat said she had the same thought afterwards... we laughed... Pat impressed me as being a serious person and smart. Brian was lucky to have her ... a devoted mother. Tenacious... warm.

snowmman · « **Reply #6532 on:** September 13, 2021, 12:23:21 AM »

My life is complete now.

There is a Big Lebowski scene where an imagined character (The Stranger) with The Dude says:
"Sioux City Sarsaparilla"

This is definitely a Cooper Clue
The move was made in 1998

I am dead serious. When The Dude says "that some kind of Eastern Thing" and The Stranger says "Far from it"...they're referring to the distance between Sioux City Sarsaparilla and the west coast.
And when The Stranger says "you eat the bar"...he's talking about Tena Bar.

The pop song on the jukebox has ended; someone puts on
"Tumbling Tumbleweeds."

A man saunters up to the bar to take the stool that Walter
vacated. He is middle-aged, amiable, craggily handsome--Sam
Elliot, perhaps. He has a large Western-style mustache and
wears denims, a yoked shirt and a cowboy hat.

TO THE BARTENDER:

            MAN
      D'ya have a good sarsaparilla?

We recognize the voice of The Stranger whose narration opened
the movie.

            BARTENDER
      Sioux City Sarsaparilla.

The Stranger nods.

            THE STRANGER
      That's a good one.

Waiting for his drink, he looks amiably around the bar. His
crinkled eyes settle on the Dude.

            THE STRANGER
      How ya doin' there, Dude?

The Dude, still staring down at his drink, shakes his head.

            DUDE
      Ahh, not so good, man.

            THE STRANGER
      One a those days, huh. Wal, a wiser
      fella than m'self once said, sometimes
      you eat the bar and sometimes the
      bar, wal, he eats you.

            DUDE
         (absently)
      Uh-huh. That some kind of Eastern
      thing?

            THE STRANGER
      Far from it.

snowmman · « **Reply #6533 on:** September 13, 2021, 12:27:25 AM »

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all good questions - think the Sioux City Sarsparilla can was steel ? - same strata as money? The Ingrams saw a can or two - Pat said there were can's "nearby". which is interesting but no way to know if they were the cans the excavation found ...she volunteered that before I had ever heard of the cans through gov docs!

If the Ingrams had photographed themselves finding the money or the money in the sand, those photos might be worth more than the money today! Pat said she had the same thought afterwards... we laughed... Pat impressed me as being a serious person and smart. Brian was lucky to have her ... a devoted mother. Tenacious... warm.

Yes I'm guessing the can was steel. See the pics in prior posts.
It may have had aluminum bottom and top.
Do you remember how for a period there were steel cans with aluminum top/bottom (at least I think so) ..from the pics, it's hard to tell how the pulltab was steel if so?

Someone who pulled more tabs than me will have to chime in. Lebowski would know for sure!
Looks like it from fbi file 46 page 86?? Article from the Daily News in Longview, WA ?? 2/15/80 page 11

Chaucer · « **Reply #6534 on:** September 13, 2021, 11:43:28 AM »

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I can get my hands on US Army Corps of Engineers records of dredging operations on that area of the Columbia from 1971 to 1980. I could tell you when and where dredging was done. Where it was taken and where it was deposited. Just ask.

do it!

Chaucer, if you can get your hands on the water level data for the Corps of Engineers gage at Vancouver for the time frame from November 24,1971 to March 1, 1980, please do so. Data is, or was, available for this gage from about 1974 to long after the money was found at Tena Bar in 1980. But we need the data from the day of the hijacking forward and preferably to 1980.

This gage is located on the Vancouver side of the Columbia River and just a few hundred feet east of the I-5 bridge.

I’m working on getting that info today. I do not believe it will be overly difficult. I will share it when I do.

In the meantime, I received an email from Keith after our interview. He sent me this map which is a current image of the shoreline along with an overlay of a map from 1870. By looking at this image, you can see that it’s not all that different. Keith also had this to say:

“As it shows, Caterpillar Island was created entirely from dredged materials. Tena bar looks like a mix of material placed on top of existing shoreline.”

Make of this what you will.

snowmman · « **Reply #6535 on:** September 13, 2021, 12:36:25 PM »

interesting! I had just been looking at the wonderful old maps on columbiariverimages.com also!

Here are two maps, one from 1888 and one from 1897 with Shillapoo Lake

They have maps going back to Lewis and Clark drawings! (willow bar area, say)

Is what you're calling Caterpillar Island the area called Upper Willow Bar in this 1888 map? I think so?

""Upper Willow Bar" ...
The area of Frenchman's Bar and Caterpillar Island was at once time known as "Upper Willow Bar", with nearby Sauvie Island's Willow Bar Islands being the "Lower Willow Bar"."
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They show the depth there show it was shallow compared to the normal channel....so not entirely created by dredge spoils...shallows that were filled in?

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Robert99 · « **Reply #6536 on:** September 13, 2021, 12:55:16 PM »

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I can get my hands on US Army Corps of Engineers records of dredging operations on that area of the Columbia from 1971 to 1980. I could tell you when and where dredging was done. Where it was taken and where it was deposited. Just ask.

do it!

Chaucer, if you can get your hands on the water level data for the Corps of Engineers gage at Vancouver for the time frame from November 24,1971 to March 1, 1980, please do so. Data is, or was, available for this gage from about 1974 to long after the money was found at Tena Bar in 1980. But we need the data from the day of the hijacking forward and preferably to 1980.

This gage is located on the Vancouver side of the Columbia River and just a few hundred feet east of the I-5 bridge.
I’m working on getting that info today. I do not believe it will be overly difficult. I will share it when I do.

In the meantime, I received an email from Keith after our interview. He sent me this map which is a current image of the shoreline along with an overlay of a map from 1870. By looking at this image, you can see that it’s not all that different. Keith also had this to say:

“As it shows, Caterpillar Island was created entirely from dredged materials. Tena bar looks like a mix of material placed on top of existing shoreline.”

Make of this what you will.

". . . . . Caterpillar Island was created entirely from dredged materials."? I doubt that. Caterpillar Island is a solid piece of real estate and not dredged materials.

snowmman · « **Reply #6537 on:** September 13, 2021, 12:56:51 PM »

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". . . . . Caterpillar Island was created entirely from dredged materials."? I doubt that. Caterpillar Island is a solid piece of real estate and not dredged materials.

huh? see the maps I just posted ...it shows the depth of Upper Willow bar. (maps from late 1800s)
agrees with the Chaucer info?

Robert99 · « **Reply #6538 on:** September 13, 2021, 01:01:27 PM »

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". . . . . Caterpillar Island was created entirely from dredged materials."? I doubt that. Caterpillar Island is a solid piece of real estate and not dredged materials.

huh? see the maps I just posted ...it shows the depth of Upper Willow bar. (maps from late 1800s)
agrees with the Chaucer info?

Lewis and Clark mention what is now Vancouver Lake. Did they mention the area of what is now known as Caterpillar Island as being an "island"?

snowmman · « **Reply #6539 on:** September 13, 2021, 01:06:30 PM »

interesting little map (modern)
shows flow direction in the Shillapoo Wildlife Area, North Unit (the channels around Shilapoo lake/Columbia in that area)

from page 8 of May 2007 report "Shillapoo Wildlife Area Fish Passage and Diversion Screening Scoping Report"

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