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georger · « **Reply #6255 on:** August 16, 2021, 04:13:13 PM »

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More bold print is always.....bold.

Bold print = emphasis.

But, we could still all be wrong! That is my main point. Talk to the people who saw the money - some are still alive. But stop all of these claims and speculation?

Pat Ingram was interviewed. So far as I know Tina has never been interviewed. Its as simple as that.

georger · « **Reply #6256 on:** August 16, 2021, 04:34:25 PM »

Let me be clear -

If Tina Mucklow says this afternoon that the money she saw had paper straps (and rubber bands) on it, then that is what I will accept.

I have no agenda in this whole matter and never have had an agenda. I thought this basic matter was resolved years ago ... but maybe it wasn't. ?

Robert99 · « **Reply #6257 on:** August 16, 2021, 04:42:20 PM »

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Again, there is nothing indicating anything other than rubber bands used to bind the individual straps of 100 bills.

1) Brian Ingram described the rubber band on his strap (packet if you will) of money being fused to the front bill and the back bill. This was in the center of the bills. No paper bands anywhere to be found. There were three separate straps found by Brian that day.

2) Ralph Himmelsbach clearly stated that the "individual straps" were bound by rubber bands. He did not say that multiple straps were bound together with rubber bands thereby creating a brick or anything of that nature.

People are going to see what they want to see regardless of how clear the evidence is. So be it.

For whatever it is worth, one of the straps/packets/bundles/whatever described and diagrammed by Tom Kay clearly indicates that what initially held them together had slipped to one end of the bills in a slanted fashion with the result that several bills had broken off from that point.

This "torqued" feature has been discussed at length here previously and supports the rubber bands binding rather than a paper binding.

dudeman17 · « **Reply #6258 on:** August 16, 2021, 05:10:34 PM »

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...the real evidence is that it shows Cooper likely did leave that plane...

Was that ever in question?

georger · « **Reply #6259 on:** August 16, 2021, 05:55:04 PM »

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Again, there is nothing indicating anything other than rubber bands used to bind the individual straps of 100 bills.

1) Brian Ingram described the rubber band on his strap (packet if you will) of money being fused to the front bill and the back bill. This was in the center of the bills. No paper bands anywhere to be found. There were three separate straps found by Brian that day.

2) Ralph Himmelsbach clearly stated that the "individual straps" were bound by rubber bands. He did not say that multiple straps were bound together with rubber bands thereby creating a brick or anything of that nature.

People are going to see what they want to see regardless of how clear the evidence is. So be it.

For whatever it is worth, one of the straps/packets/bundles/whatever described and diagrammed by Tom Kay clearly indicates that what initially held them together had slipped to one end of the bills in a slanted fashion with the result that several bills had broken off from that point.

This "torqued" feature has been discussed at length here previously and supports the rubber bands binding rather than a paper binding.

Good point if its true, and I tend to agree with it. My whole mission is to get actual evidence from people who actually have the answers to all the 'theories'. I pray we reach a point where Tina or somebody adds their voices. The sooner the better!

EU · « **Reply #6260 on:** August 16, 2021, 06:08:15 PM »

I've talked with Brian at length about this and heard the story from him, which involved speaking with his parents. The facts are the facts. That is to say, there were three straps of twenties found and each one had crusted rubber band pieces fused to the front bill and the back bill in the center of the bills. There were no paper straps. There is nothing to indicate that the three straps were bound as a brick.

snowmman · « **Reply #6261 on:** August 16, 2021, 06:34:22 PM »

There are two things.

The details/accuracy of both are fuzzy.

1) How was the money delivered to Cooper?
2) How was the money found on Tena Bar?

Both are subject to interpretation.
No matter how much bold print is used, the accounts of both, don't become more factual.

So all information is always subject to interpretation.

Opinions about 1) may color your opinions about 2)
Opinions about 2) may color your opinions about 1)

Opinions about the source of all the data surrounding 1) and 2) may color your opinions about 1) and 2)

Now, as to whether you have an opinion about whether I have a cooper bill. Well I'll leave that to your opinion.

One might say "Not possible" Or "Possible"

snowmman · « **Reply #6262 on:** August 16, 2021, 06:36:00 PM »

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I've talked with Brian at length about this and heard the story from him, which involved speaking with his parents. The facts are the facts. That is to say, there were three straps of twenties found and each one had crusted rubber band pieces fused to the front bill and the back bill in the center of the bills. There were no paper straps. There is nothing to indicate that the three straps were bound as a brick.

Brian has also been quoted as saying he doesn't remember a lot.
So the question of when he said something, is important.
Recent information may be less accurate (colored by who knows what)

snowmman · « **Reply #6263 on:** August 16, 2021, 06:39:38 PM »

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Let me be clear -

If Tina Mucklow says this afternoon that the money she saw had paper straps (and rubber bands) on it, then that is what I will accept.

I have no agenda in this whole matter and never have had an agenda. I thought this basic matter was resolved years ago ... but maybe it wasn't. ?

Agreed. I think we all agree she saw some amount of the money.
And she's identifiable. Even though the FBI interviewed a person who prepped the money and so "saw it"...apparently we don't have a name. Only their 302 in the fbi files, which apparently people don't agree on how to interpret (bank bands and different bank band possible)...seems like that english can mean different things?

All the stuff from Carr (ckret)...seems unclear as to whether he was ever talking to a person that prepped the money or saw the money?

EU · « **Reply #6264 on:** August 16, 2021, 06:43:56 PM »

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I've talked with Brian at length about this and heard the story from him, which involved speaking with his parents. The facts are the facts. That is to say, there were three straps of twenties found and each one had crusted rubber band pieces fused to the front bill and the back bill in the center of the bills. There were no paper straps. There is nothing to indicate that the three straps were bound as a brick.

Brian has also been quoted as saying he doesn't remember a lot.
So the question of when he said something, is important.
Recent information may be less accurate (colored by who knows what)

When Brian says he doesn't remember much, I think that's accurate as it relates to a lot of what transpired that day and the days that followed.

That said, he does remember specific things and has discussed these things with his parents over the years that validate what happened. Additionally, he has discussed the money find with Larry Carr and certain things transpired with that too.

All of that said, as it pertains to the pertinent issue regarding the number of straps, where they were found, and rubber bands, I think that's all quite clear and credible.

snowmman · « **Reply #6265 on:** August 16, 2021, 06:44:51 PM »

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I've talked with Brian at length about this and heard the story from him, which involved speaking with his parents. The facts are the facts. That is to say, there were three straps of twenties found and each one had crusted rubber band pieces fused to the front bill and the back bill in the center of the bills. There were no paper straps. There is nothing to indicate that the three straps were bound as a brick.

well you should be clear on saying it's not Brian's recollection.
It's Brian's second-hand relaying of his parent's recollections.

EU · « **Reply #6266 on:** August 16, 2021, 06:49:54 PM »

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I've talked with Brian at length about this and heard the story from him, which involved speaking with his parents. The facts are the facts. That is to say, there were three straps of twenties found and each one had crusted rubber band pieces fused to the front bill and the back bill in the center of the bills. There were no paper straps. There is nothing to indicate that the three straps were bound as a brick.

well you should be clear on saying it's not Brian's recollection.
It's Brian's second-hand relaying of his parent's recollections.

These are Brian's exact recollections. He simply raised the point with his parents at a later date to verify his memories.

snowmman · « **Reply #6267 on:** August 16, 2021, 06:54:25 PM »

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I've talked with Brian at length about this and heard the story from him, which involved speaking with his parents. The facts are the facts. That is to say, there were three straps of twenties found and each one had crusted rubber band pieces fused to the front bill and the back bill in the center of the bills. There were no paper straps. There is nothing to indicate that the three straps were bound as a brick.

well you should be clear on saying it's not Brian's recollection.
It's Brian's second-hand relaying of his parent's recollections.

These are Brian's exact recollections. He simply raised the point with his parents at a later date to verify his memories.

Okay.
But we can agree he was 8 years old when he found the money.
So we have an adult talking about recollections of observations when he was 8 years old.

EU · « **Reply #6268 on:** August 16, 2021, 07:06:04 PM »

Yes Brian was 8 y/o. But the event was very memorable.

I received my first pocket knife on my 8th birthday. I remember it like as if it were yesterday. I remember receiving the knife, carving a block of wood, the knife slipping and cutting my hand, my mother being on the phone speaking with my father at the time, going to the doctor and getting stitches, I remember a lot. Likewise, it stands to reason that Brian's memories from that day would similarly be seared into his memory even though he was only eight.

The overall thing I have come to learn and expect while studying this case is that some people (I'm not saying you snow) have to push a narrative and simply cannot let the evidence speak for itself. It always has to be distorted and contorted to push an agenda, or a suspect.

I consider Brian's version accurate. His parents back this up. Apparently Larry Carr does too. Of course, others may see fit to go a different direction. Well...okay then.

snowmman · « **Reply #6269 on:** August 16, 2021, 07:11:19 PM »

okay.
I'm just saying your info from Brian about rubber bands debris on the front and back of each "bundle" in the center, seems like new info to me.
I don't think you can point to something with that amount of detail in older accounts?

or can you?

As far as I understand what you're saying, it's new info based on your personal conversations with Brian, right?

I don't remember that amount of detail from prior accounts. So of course it should be questioned if it's new information?

Poll

How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

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