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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

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Voting closed: August 16, 2016, 09:05:28 AM

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #6030 on: March 21, 2021, 07:09:22 PM »
The front chute in evidence doesn't have a pilot. I'm one of those construction guys, I use to do my cords like that but haven't in a longtime. I don't see many doing it all anymore. better storage as come along with spring loaded wheels or roll up wheels with outlets on them. I typically have about 10 100 foot cords 12/3...you tend to take care of them as they are expensive. I don't even use them much anymore since I've converted over to cordless. SDS impact driver, grinders, chopsaw etc. all have the ability to last longer than years ago. they would drain a battery quick. my Dewalt SDS drills can drill about 30 holes 3/8" bit and 3" deep on one battery. I can install a hundred foot canopy on one battery for the SDS and one battery for the impact driver. if it's tilt wall, the concrete is solid and will take 2 batteries for the SDS drill. tilt wall is sturdy at around 3500 psi. takes about a month to cure and they provide core samples for testing...
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #6031 on: March 22, 2021, 08:03:20 AM »
I have to listen to the Bertrand podcast again but I believe the theory of Cooper planting the money came up again and there is a group that believe this to be the case.  Thinking that he did it to let the cops know he made it?  Not sure if I buy it.  I lean more to him simply losing a bit, but having it so close together and in the bands does give some merit to that perspective. I do not believe he lost all of it if he survived and I am a firm believer that he survived the jump. 

 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #6032 on: March 22, 2021, 03:49:17 PM »
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I have to listen to the Bertrand podcast again but I believe the theory of Cooper planting the money came up again and there is a group that believe this to be the case.  Thinking that he did it to let the cops know he made it?  Not sure if I buy it.  I lean more to him simply losing a bit, but having it so close together and in the bands does give some merit to that perspective. I do not believe he lost all of it if he survived and I am a firm believer that he survived the jump.

The minute the Ingram find was broken up due to GREED, that was the end of meaningful forensic work that might have shed light on the money find. Th excavation and Palmer work left nothing but questions with no documentation of anything!

Today all we have is 5-7 species of diatoms on one bill, no firm date on anything ... somebody should go out and buy a crystal ball at Walmart! 
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #6033 on: March 22, 2021, 06:31:42 PM »
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The minute the Ingram find was broken up due to GREED, that was the end of meaningful forensic work that might have shed light on the money find.

When the Ingrams first found the money, did they have any idea where it came from, did it occur to them that it might have been Cooper's?
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #6034 on: March 22, 2021, 11:28:46 PM »
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The minute the Ingram find was broken up due to GREED, that was the end of meaningful forensic work that might have shed light on the money find.

When the Ingrams first found the money, did they have any idea where it came from, did it occur to them that it might have been Cooper's?

No definitely not. Keep in mind the family was relatively new in the North West - from Oklahoma/Arkansas. Their first idea was to redeem the money at a bank. Harold worked as a painter at an area shop. He told workmates about the find and they suggested he call the Sheriff's office to see if the cash might be linked to a recent burglary. The Sheriff's office told him to call the Portland FBI. The rest is history. Once the money was linked to the Cooper case the Ingram's went public asking for a reward. [all of this is documented]
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #6035 on: March 23, 2021, 02:34:11 PM »
I want to throw this out there for speculation. I have offered some thoughts on this, but I want to get others.

If we assume that the Columbia River was the mechanism that delivered the money to the beach on Tena Bar (I know that's a hard no for a few of you), what would be your best guesses as to how that happened? Did it roll along the bottom and get dredged up? Did it float on a piece of river debris or vegetation? Cooper's corpse? You have to keep in mind the diatom study of course.

Would love to hear some informed speculation about how the river might have delivered the Cooper cash to Tena Bar.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #6036 on: March 23, 2021, 03:00:10 PM »
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I want to throw this out there for speculation. I have offered some thoughts on this, but I want to get others.

If we assume that the Columbia River was the mechanism that delivered the money to the beach on Tena Bar (I know that's a hard no for a few of you), what would be your best guesses as to how that happened? Did it roll along the bottom and get dredged up? Did it float on a piece of river debris or vegetation? Cooper's corpse? You have to keep in mind the diatom study of course.

Would love to hear some informed speculation about how the river might have delivered the Cooper cash to Tena Bar.

I'll give you a hybrid response because as you noted I do not believe it is possible for the Columbia to have floated three packets to the money find spot, for self-burial, for 8 years, 7 months after the skyjacking.

That said, in my mind the only plausible scenario involves DBC stealing a boat from a harbor, transporting his ill-gotten gains to Tena Bar for temporary burial, and walking away.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #6037 on: March 23, 2021, 03:02:47 PM »
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I want to throw this out there for speculation. I have offered some thoughts on this, but I want to get others.

If we assume that the Columbia River was the mechanism that delivered the money to the beach on Tena Bar (I know that's a hard no for a few of you), what would be your best guesses as to how that happened? Did it roll along the bottom and get dredged up? Did it float on a piece of river debris or vegetation? Cooper's corpse? You have to keep in mind the diatom study of course.

Would love to hear some informed speculation about how the river might have delivered the Cooper cash to Tena Bar.

I think dredging has been dismissed as a possibility.  And non-natural causes can be dismissed also.

The money had to be moving downhill when it arrived at the location where it was found.  It could not have come from the normal river channel.  Consequently, the money had to be moved by a flood or high water event from where it had spent some time on dry land to where it was buried.  This means that the money was initially at a higher level than the normal river channel water level and probably still in the original money bag and tied to Cooper's body.

Eventually, a high water event raised the river level until Cooper's body, and attachments, was displaced and moved downstream and downhill from their original location.  Cooper's body, the unopened parachutes, and the money bag would not have any buoyancy after being exposed to the local Tina Bar environment for a very short time.  These items would essentially be dragging along under water until they were snagged at the money find location.  The money bag was probably damaged during Cooper's no-pull impact and several bundles came out of it when it snagged.  After a brief time, Cooper's body and ever thing else continued on downstream and were never located.

Some skeletal portions of Cooper or his attachments may have remained in the original impact location.  The Tina Bar area has some man eating brush and anything that ends up in that brush is going to still be there.
 

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« Reply #6038 on: March 23, 2021, 11:24:54 PM »
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I want to throw this out there for speculation. I have offered some thoughts on this, but I want to get others.

If we assume that the Columbia River was the mechanism that delivered the money to the beach on Tena Bar (I know that's a hard no for a few of you), what would be your best guesses as to how that happened? Did it roll along the bottom and get dredged up? Did it float on a piece of river debris or vegetation? Cooper's corpse? You have to keep in mind the diatom study of course.

Would love to hear some informed speculation about how the river might have delivered the Cooper cash to Tena Bar.

I think dredging has been dismissed as a possibility. And non-natural causes can be dismissed also.

The money had to be moving downhill when it arrived at the location where it was found.  It could not have come from the normal river channel.  Consequently, the money had to be moved by a flood or high water event from where it had spent some time on dry land to where it was buried.  This means that the money was initially at a higher level than the normal river channel water level and probably still in the original money bag and tied to Cooper's body.

Eventually, a high water event raised the river level until Cooper's body, and attachments, was displaced and moved downstream and downhill from their original location.  Cooper's body, the unopened parachutes, and the money bag would not have any buoyancy after being exposed to the local Tina Bar environment for a very short time.  These items would essentially be dragging along under water until they were snagged at the money find location.  The money bag was probably damaged during Cooper's no-pull impact and several bundles came out of it when it snagged.  After a brief time, Cooper's body and ever thing else continued on downstream and were never located.

Some skeletal portions of Cooper or his attachments may have remained in the original impact location.  The Tina Bar area has some man eating brush and anything that ends up in that brush is going to still be there.

I think dredging has been dismissed as a possibility.

R99 has a poll and speaks for the world! And beyond.   

I think dredging has been dismissed as a possibility by the whole universe.


Not to mention the fact R99 wont even acknowledge all former polls taken and posted. Some things dont exist for some people. Best not mention them. Keep the public ignorant!
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« Reply #6039 on: March 24, 2021, 12:39:58 AM »
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I want to throw this out there for speculation. I have offered some thoughts on this, but I want to get others.

If we assume that the Columbia River was the mechanism that delivered the money to the beach on Tena Bar (I know that's a hard no for a few of you), what would be your best guesses as to how that happened? Did it roll along the bottom and get dredged up? Did it float on a piece of river debris or vegetation? Cooper's corpse? You have to keep in mind the diatom study of course.

Would love to hear some informed speculation about how the river might have delivered the Cooper cash to Tena Bar.

I think dredging has been dismissed as a possibility. And non-natural causes can be dismissed also.

The money had to be moving downhill when it arrived at the location where it was found.  It could not have come from the normal river channel.  Consequently, the money had to be moved by a flood or high water event from where it had spent some time on dry land to where it was buried.  This means that the money was initially at a higher level than the normal river channel water level and probably still in the original money bag and tied to Cooper's body.

Eventually, a high water event raised the river level until Cooper's body, and attachments, was displaced and moved downstream and downhill from their original location.  Cooper's body, the unopened parachutes, and the money bag would not have any buoyancy after being exposed to the local Tina Bar environment for a very short time.  These items would essentially be dragging along under water until they were snagged at the money find location.  The money bag was probably damaged during Cooper's no-pull impact and several bundles came out of it when it snagged.  After a brief time, Cooper's body and ever thing else continued on downstream and were never located.

Some skeletal portions of Cooper or his attachments may have remained in the original impact location.  The Tina Bar area has some man eating brush and anything that ends up in that brush is going to still be there.

I think dredging has been dismissed as a possibility.

R99 has a poll and speaks for the world! And beyond.   

I think dredging has been dismissed as a possibility by the whole universe.


Not to mention the fact R99 wont even acknowledge all former polls taken and posted. Some things dont exist for some people. Best not mention them. Keep the public ignorant!

Georger, there you go again!  So you are going to take a poll to determine where Cooper jumped, landed, and what subsequently happened to him?  Are votes by mail permitted?  Are you in cahoots with a pillow manufacturer?  Is your attorney named Sidney? :(
 

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« Reply #6040 on: March 24, 2021, 09:36:28 AM »
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I want to throw this out there for speculation. I have offered some thoughts on this, but I want to get others.

If we assume that the Columbia River was the mechanism that delivered the money to the beach on Tena Bar (I know that's a hard no for a few of you), what would be your best guesses as to how that happened? Did it roll along the bottom and get dredged up? Did it float on a piece of river debris or vegetation? Cooper's corpse? You have to keep in mind the diatom study of course.

Would love to hear some informed speculation about how the river might have delivered the Cooper cash to Tena Bar.

I think dredging has been dismissed as a possibility. And non-natural causes can be dismissed also.

The money had to be moving downhill when it arrived at the location where it was found.  It could not have come from the normal river channel.  Consequently, the money had to be moved by a flood or high water event from where it had spent some time on dry land to where it was buried.  This means that the money was initially at a higher level than the normal river channel water level and probably still in the original money bag and tied to Cooper's body.

Eventually, a high water event raised the river level until Cooper's body, and attachments, was displaced and moved downstream and downhill from their original location.  Cooper's body, the unopened parachutes, and the money bag would not have any buoyancy after being exposed to the local Tina Bar environment for a very short time.  These items would essentially be dragging along under water until they were snagged at the money find location.  The money bag was probably damaged during Cooper's no-pull impact and several bundles came out of it when it snagged.  After a brief time, Cooper's body and ever thing else continued on downstream and were never located.

Some skeletal portions of Cooper or his attachments may have remained in the original impact location.  The Tina Bar area has some man eating brush and anything that ends up in that brush is going to still be there.

I think dredging has been dismissed as a possibility.

R99 has a poll and speaks for the world! And beyond.   

I think dredging has been dismissed as a possibility by the whole universe.


Not to mention the fact R99 wont even acknowledge all former polls taken and posted. Some things dont exist for some people. Best not mention them. Keep the public ignorant!

Georger, there you go again!  So you are going to take a poll to determine where Cooper jumped, landed, and what subsequently happened to him?  Are votes by mail permitted?  Are you in cahoots with a pillow manufacturer?  Is your attorney named Sidney? :(

I'll stay out of you guys's bickering.  However, I personally like the polls, especially when I first joined.  I feel that once you've been on here for a while, you kind of get an idea of who thinks what, but I would be curious to see a breakout of the main posters on here (maybe 20 to 30 of us) and what they think of the main categories.  Just for fun, even though most of us probably already know how our colleagues feel, for instance, EU and R99 are into the Western Flight Path, but listening to Bruce on the Cooper Vortex, it sounds like he's warming up to it.  Updated polls might be cool (but only from registered members).

Lived or died?
How money got to Tina Bar?
Did he spend the money?
Which flight path?
Was he experienced in aviation?
Did he work at Boeing?
Particles on the tie?
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #6041 on: March 24, 2021, 12:06:26 PM »
I think dredging could explain how the money became buried as deep as it was. Not sure the diatom research supports the money sitting at the bottom of the Columbia for years though. Maybe?
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« Reply #6042 on: March 24, 2021, 01:50:58 PM »
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I think dredging could explain how the money became buried as deep as it was. Not sure the diatom research supports the money sitting at the bottom of the Columbia for years though. Maybe?

Let's back up. Are there diatoms in Lake Merwin? Was the Cooper money ever in Lake Merwin?

Someone should re-interview atty Stephen P Rickles of Portland and find out who Globe Indemnity sold its  Cooper bills to ? 
 

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« Reply #6043 on: March 24, 2021, 01:51:40 PM »
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I think dredging could explain how the money became buried as deep as it was. Not sure the diatom research supports the money sitting at the bottom of the Columbia for years though. Maybe?

Cooper money - Globe Indemnity
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #6044 on: March 24, 2021, 05:29:55 PM »
Georger,

Sorry, I’m not following...what does Lake Merwin have to do with Tena Bar or the Columbia River?
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