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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 17

Voting closed: August 16, 2016, 09:05:28 AM

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Offline Shutter

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5475 on: September 11, 2020, 06:14:25 PM »
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I take issue with personal attacks, lies, misinformation and disinformation from ignorant people who contribute nothing.

Does that exclude "clown show" and other personal attacks you have made? the most ignorant non-contributor is right beside you on the DZ?

You get upset when I tell you this but you sound like Georger...
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5476 on: September 11, 2020, 06:33:13 PM »
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R99, would water currents be similar to wind or wind loads? the lower portion of Tbar usually sticks out further. would currents act differently causing disruption to the coastline, especially coming from the channel behind Cat island as well.

When wind hits a building the corners (end zones) sometimes triple in wind speeds causing for stronger or more attachments to the building.

Water currents would be much effective in moving the sand.  The wind loads would be very low compared to the water loads. 

It should be noted that the land between the Tina Bar gate and south (upstream) to the north end of Caterpillar Island is about 30 or 40 feet above sea level in some places.  And in the southern part of that beach, the water is up against a nearly vertical cliff.

In 2016, during some filming, you could not walk on the dry beach from Tina Bar to the point adjacent to the north end of Caterpillar Island.

The Fazio sand operation is directly above that area of the beach.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5477 on: September 11, 2020, 06:34:50 PM »
What I mean is...would water current be similar to wind loads....as you see Tbar on the lower end is rounded would the current pickup speed as wind would going around a corner?
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5478 on: September 11, 2020, 06:52:18 PM »
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What I mean is...would water current be similar to wind loads....as you see Tbar on the lower end is rounded would the current pickup speed as wind would going around a corner?

Water would pick up speed in going around a corner in the Tina Bar area.  Water would also pick up speed in going through the "funnel" between the east shore of the river and the north end of Caterpillar Island.  The water would also slow down slightly after going through that funnel.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5479 on: September 11, 2020, 07:00:28 PM »
ok, so it could have a bearing on how it shapes the coastline?
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5480 on: September 11, 2020, 07:17:06 PM »
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ok, so it could have a bearing on how it shapes the coastline?

Yes.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5481 on: September 11, 2020, 08:15:59 PM »
Fly, regardless to believing you are right doesn't justify name calling. after speaking with Eric you are wrong about several things. you feed off this forum and post constantly on the DZ with just about every topic. If I see something posted by you I will discuss it here and you can't do anything about it. it doesn't include insults as you can clearly see above from yesterday. stop looking here if it bothers you so much. it's a public forum just like the DZ. multiple rules are broken there daily. two main posters..why? I consider you a good researcher but not so good at putting things together. that's my opinion, no insults just plain and simple words.

You have a problem obviously with Eric and Georger. you fail to even confront Eric head on with a conference call. that shows weakness. Georger has been warned but still takes jabs at you. if you noticed, he actually respects you more than you think regardless to what you think or care.

Now, the map you show is a very good tool. however, I fail to see anything legit that would be used in real conditions. it would have a signed and seal on it showing it's actually used as a tool vs educational or reference. might be a dozen different ones. you would see "revision" if other maps exist. should also have a legend. trying to change facts based on a changing coastline is not going to cut it. I think you have the same maps for dredging depths. filled with info..that's just a colored drawing showing "designated" spots. some might be correct and some not..
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5482 on: September 11, 2020, 09:06:38 PM »
Now, to clear up any misinformation  :rofl:

If the soda cans found on Tbar, even at the same level as the money only suggests they were there for a short period or rust would be evident. the manufacture date is no longer an issue since the cans were not in the sand in earlier years. really wouldn't prove or disprove a burial. the question is that was spoken a page back was if the money was there for a short period as well, why did it have so many frags..and were they able to match the larger one's with the existing bills.

If the money washed in along with the cans. it's interesting the two cans were the same brand...just saying..
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5483 on: September 11, 2020, 11:25:31 PM »
I have maps showing what is done during the dredging process. it's a lot of paperwork and maps as I pointed out previously..they are proper drawing with notes and legends. they explain the water levels, dump locations, mapping of the dredging. lots of hoops to go through. I'm currently looking everything over prior to posting. a mean high tide of 5.6" ordinary high water 14.4"
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5484 on: September 11, 2020, 11:36:12 PM »
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Fly, regardless to believing you are right doesn't justify name calling. after speaking with Eric you are wrong about several things. you feed off this forum and post constantly on the DZ with just about every topic. If I see something posted by you I will discuss it here and you can't do anything about it. it doesn't include insults as you can clearly see above from yesterday. stop looking here if it bothers you so much. it's a public forum just like the DZ. multiple rules are broken there daily. two main posters..why? I consider you a good researcher but not so good at putting things together. that's my opinion, no insults just plain and simple words.

You have a problem obviously with Eric and Georger. you fail to even confront Eric head on with a conference call. that shows weakness. Georger has been warned but still takes jabs at you. if you noticed, he actually respects you more than you think regardless to what you think or care.

Now, the map you show is a very good tool. however, I fail to see anything legit that would be used in real conditions. it would have a signed and seal on it showing it's actually used as a tool vs educational or reference. might be a dozen different ones. you would see "revision" if other maps exist. should also have a legend. trying to change facts based on a changing coastline is not going to cut it. I think you have the same maps for dredging depths. filled with info..that's just a colored drawing showing "designated" spots. some might be correct and some not..

Fly just wants to work on the case ... without fanfare, publicity, or any notice. So be it!    :rofl:    Let me point out to flyjack he could achieve what he wants at home, in his bathroom or closet, or under his bed, talking only to his cat!   
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5485 on: September 11, 2020, 11:37:23 PM »
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Now, to clear up any misinformation  :rofl:

If the soda cans found on Tbar, even at the same level as the money only suggests they were there for a short period or rust would be evident. the manufacture date is no longer an issue since the cans were not in the sand in earlier years. really wouldn't prove or disprove a burial. the question is that was spoken a page back was if the money was there for a short period as well, why did it have so many frags..and were they able to match the larger one's with the existing bills.

If the money washed in along with the cans. it's interesting the two cans were the same brand...just saying..

Two cans same brand means something.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5486 on: September 11, 2020, 11:47:14 PM »
Hard to say..someone could of been fishing and buried the cans months before they were found...if they washed up it would be interesting. one would think it would have to have enough water to tilt vertical vs sinking...
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5487 on: September 11, 2020, 11:53:35 PM »
Going to post a link to a map..can you tell me if you can read it ok?

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5488 on: September 12, 2020, 12:16:40 AM »
Elevation contour map...
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5489 on: September 12, 2020, 02:15:59 AM »
Here is a link to a photo provided by Tom Kaye trying to get a slope from a 1980 pic of Tbar.

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