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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 17

Voting closed: August 16, 2016, 09:05:28 AM

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5460 on: September 11, 2020, 12:04:49 AM »
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IMO, he feels like people are taking things from him..the battle over the tie and it's manufacture dates for one..I spoke about the money location for a couple years and nobody believed me except you..I'm not losing any sleep about it..people see things and go from that point and either agree, disagree or improve.

Taking things from him? Its absurd. Tell him to open his own website and file a copy write. He's at DZ ....

His work..he did a lot of work on the tie and feels Eric took some of it..

Let him file a copy write on his work! Whats he doing on a free site, DZ?   :rofl:    Eric or anybody is free to take anything FJ posts that is in the public domain! What Eric or anyone does with it is another matter but ifits in the public domain .... its in the public domain, period.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5461 on: September 11, 2020, 12:07:29 AM »
It depends on how you look at it...they both had a lot of info but somehow the battle started...

I usually base things from a certain point..even if Blevins posted something worth looking into I would say where I got the idea if I found something to further the finding.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5462 on: September 11, 2020, 12:09:39 AM »
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It depends on how you look at it...they both had a lot of info but somehow the battle started...

I usually base things from a certain point..even if Blevins posted something worth looking into I would say where I got the idea if I found something to further the finding.

So .... when FJ uses Tom's material .... will FJ pay Tom !?  He could cut Tom a check for $100k for starters!    :rofl:
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5463 on: September 11, 2020, 12:11:28 AM »
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It depends on how you look at it...they both had a lot of info but somehow the battle started...

I usually base things from a certain point..even if Blevins posted something worth looking into I would say where I got the idea if I found something to further the finding.

So .... when FJ uses Tom's material .... will FJ pay Tom !?  He could cut Tom a check for $100k for starters!    :rofl:

lol, no...Fly usually gives credit when trying to say something or back something up...I guess it would be like you finding a post by me and see I used your chart about the layers and reading that I made the chart...
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5464 on: September 11, 2020, 12:14:58 AM »
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It depends on how you look at it...they both had a lot of info but somehow the battle started...

I usually base things from a certain point..even if Blevins posted something worth looking into I would say where I got the idea if I found something to further the finding.

So .... when FJ uses Tom's material .... will FJ pay Tom !?  He could cut Tom a check for $100k for starters!    :rofl:

lol, no...Fly usually gives credit when trying to say something or back something up...I guess it would be like you finding a post by me and see I used your chart about the layers and reading that I made the chart...

I always give FJ credit for things he posts or charts/maps/photos etc he posts. 

Who is this un-named neighbor of the Fazios who walks the beach daily, FJ is citing? .......... has the flavor of smoke and mirrors.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5465 on: September 11, 2020, 12:16:55 AM »
Correct, but I don't think Eric took anything from him. I don't know enough about it but he's pretty upset about it..Eric did a lot of work on the tie as well. I don't know if he came to the same conclusions..it's between them IMO.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5466 on: September 11, 2020, 12:21:10 AM »
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Correct, but I don't think Eric took anything from him. I don't know enough about it but he's pretty upset about it..Eric did a lot of work on the tie as well. I don't know if he came to the same conclusions..it's between them IMO.

I like the way FJ digs into things ... few people do that these days ... but his attitude could be better.

Im going to retire for the evening ... thanks.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5467 on: September 11, 2020, 12:21:25 AM »
I don't know who Fly is referring to but it doesn't really make a dredge pop up out of nowhere. we know in 1974 the material was placed on the beach near the money..according to records, the Fazio's and the Army corps who were all there and well aware of the river functions no other contaminants were involved. I guess the Fazio's could use there own sand but that's there money..
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5468 on: September 11, 2020, 12:23:20 AM »
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I don't know who Fly is referring to but it doesn't really make a dredge pop up out of nowhere. we know in 1974 the material was placed on the beach near the money..according to records, the Fazio's and the Army corps who were all there and well aware of the river functions no other contaminants were involved. I guess the Fazio's could use there own sand but that's there money..

I do not think dredging companies were free to dump their material anywhere they wanted without approval...
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5469 on: September 11, 2020, 12:24:34 AM »
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I don't know who Fly is referring to but it doesn't really make a dredge pop up out of nowhere. we know in 1974 the material was placed on the beach near the money..according to records, the Fazio's and the Army corps who were all there and well aware of the river functions no other contaminants were involved. I guess the Fazio's could use there own sand but that's there money..

I do not think dredging companies were free to dump their material anywhere they wanted without approval...

Correct, and any dredging north would be told to the Fazio's if any sand was placed on his property..records would also show dredging on the same island at any time of the year..
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5470 on: September 11, 2020, 12:35:59 AM »
I get drawings of a job sometimes a year prior to construction..if you use those drawings a year later you will be in trouble because changes occur between the bidding and the actual start of the job or coming out of the ground as they say..the map is probably and basic layout of what occurs.. the map shows most of the northern part of Tbar covered in new sand. they would of said, wait a minute. we have sand all over the island and not just 1974..huge can of worms. the dredge has basically been ruled out until something new counters Toms findings..
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5471 on: September 11, 2020, 12:38:47 AM »
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I do not think dredging companies were free to dump their material anywhere they wanted without approval...

Records on the Vancouver website show the Fazio's pulling permits to dredge. even samples taken from the river bottom are required..

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Get the facts right.

I don't have any facts to report. never claimed to either. it's between you and Eric.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5472 on: September 11, 2020, 03:29:48 PM »
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Correct, but I don't think Eric took anything from him. I don't know enough about it but he's pretty upset about it..Eric did a lot of work on the tie as well. I don't know if he came to the same conclusions..it's between them IMO.

Un-F'ing real. TrollJack is a flat out lying piece of shit to put it mildly. To smear my name by stating that I stole research he conducted on the tie is complete horseshit. I'd be willing to stake my life on that.

Everything I have presented concerning the tie--when manufactured (1963 or 1964), where manufactured (Remington Apparel Co.), patent numbers, Pennys logo, all of it--was derived from research that I conducted and still have.

After reviewing the DZ a few minutes ago I can see that it is still a dumpster fire. Un-F'ing real.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5473 on: September 11, 2020, 05:48:40 PM »
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There are two distinct active designated disposal sites (1975):

That doesn't mean it was placed in those spots..a record would be found, especially in 1980 of dredging on the same island/sandbar during an investigation. if sand is placed on the Fazio's property they would be notified. they don't just spread it around based on a map. apparently, the Fazio's didn't appear to do much with the spoils unless they sold the material..the southern "bump" is part of the island often seen in photo's. you are reading into the photo's way to hard.

The Army Corps. told them when dredging in the area occurred. they would have a record of dredging in any year at any place on the river. it's not a game they play. records are vital. what is factual, a straight coastline means no dredging? no reason to hide dredging in 1972..

I see similar "bumps" in the same spot in 1981...was dredging going on in 1980, 1979?

I have two photo's from 1973..July 3rd and the 17th. they don't look the same..
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5474 on: September 11, 2020, 05:58:50 PM »
R99, would water currents be similar to wind or wind loads? the lower portion of Tbar usually sticks out further. would currents act differently causing disruption to the coastline, especially coming from the channel behind Cat island as well.

When wind hits a building the corners (end zones) sometimes triple in wind speeds causing for stronger or more attachments to the building.
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