A local said they dredged to replenish TBAR beach "continuously"....  prior to 1974.

I think the statement is inaccurate to an extent..I believe Fazio claims about every 4 years. records would indicate yearly dredging. the photo's can not be accurate due to water levels. Eric can chime in on this. he spoke with Fazio. we would be reading dredge material was spread in 72-73 etc. the only record showing dredge material was in 1974 and nothing between 71-74..

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A local said they dredged to replenish TBAR beach "continuously"....  prior to 1974.

I think the statement is inaccurate to an extent..I believe Fazio claims about every 4 years. records would indicate yearly dredging. the photo's can not be accurate due to water levels. Eric can chime in on this. he spoke with Fazio. we would be reading dredge material was spread in 72-73 etc. the only record showing dredge material was in 1974 and nothing between 71-74..

According to Richard Fazio the dredging near Tena Bar was done on an as-needed basis. My impression is that this was done every handful of years--not yearly.

I do not believe there were any dredge spoils placed upon Tena Bar between 1970 and 1974. Any pictures that profess to show dredge spoils being placed upon Tena Bar during that timeframe are being misunderstood. Remember, the water level fluctuated by a foot or two regularly which will effect the size of the beach depending upon when the picture was taken.

The overall point to make is that the money find spot was about 10 feet above the level of the river between 1971 and 1980--a little lower by 1980 because of erosion. This is non-debatable because we know the spot was about five feet lower then the gravel road which still exists.

It is foolish to attempt to measure the money find spot from a variable river's edge that is completely different now then it was in 1971 and 1980 when you have the same road in place today which has not moved.

I do not believe there were any dredge spoils placed upon Tena Bar between 1970 and 1974. Any pictures that profess to show dredge spoils being placed upon Tena Bar during that timeframe are being misunderstood.

I agree 100% and the photo FJ posted does not show spoils having been placed in 1973 at his money find site. It's absurd. Will say more tonight - its just one more Flyjack invention. Apparently FJ doesnt even know what spoils look like on a beachhead! Its ludicrous - self evident!    As usual, FJ doesn;t give any source for his photo.

FJ photo vs 1974 USGS photo attached! 

Fly, nobody is stealing anything or having the need to do there own homework. Georger appears to have disagreed with your findings. calling people clowns doesn't help either. just about every post made here is by proxy over there by you or the liar, the guy who keeps claiming he don't visit here or elsewhere. Robert should know, without lying by saying everyone is scared to go there. that's a bold faced lie, period. it's because he will disrupt the conversations with past drama.

The army corps. along with records indicate one dredge operation on Tbar between 71 and 80. that's just a fact. other locations are noted. just because a coastline appears similar to past dredging hardly makes it fact. coastlines change over the years and as mentioned before you would need the same dates between the years, including the same time so the tides would be relatively the same and still won't be the same. how do you know it wasn't dredge material from 1970? sometimes they don't even dump the sand on the beach..either way records are made.

This 1960 photo should speak for itself...a very evident spoil can be seen in the photo..it's just south of the money spot..about 158 feet south...measures 694 feet across. that's huge..if you look on the site Historical aerials the last two years are interesting. 1951 shows a typical beach at the south end. a lot of tree's are close to the waterline.then look at 1952 and you will see most of the tree's in the water. the money location is visible also in the water. no dredging can answer the amount of ground or space the water takes. no records of flooding with these years either...

I think he is talking about the placement of sand on the map he provided. those are likely estimates of where they supply sand. I don't think the Army corps. has anything to do with the actual spreading of the material unless it's state owned property. the Fazio's claim they spread very little of the sand.

The 73 map looks like it's from the USGS site or another site that uses the same photo's which most would do. it's all from one basic set of flights that mapped the country..

IMO, he feels like people are taking things from him..the battle over the tie and it's manufacture dates for one..I spoke about the money location for a couple years and nobody believed me except you..I'm not losing any sleep about it..people see things and go from that point and either agree, disagree or improve.

IMO, he feels like people are taking things from him..the battle over the tie and it's manufacture dates for one..I spoke about the money location for a couple years and nobody believed me except you..I'm not losing any sleep about it..people see things and go from that point and either agree, disagree or improve.

Taking things from him? Its absurd. Tell him to open his own website and file a copy write. He's at DZ ....

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IMO, he feels like people are taking things from him..the battle over the tie and it's manufacture dates for one..I spoke about the money location for a couple years and nobody believed me except you..I'm not losing any sleep about it..people see things and go from that point and either agree, disagree or improve.

Taking things from him? Its absurd. Tell him to open his own website and file a copy write. He's at DZ ....

His work..he did a lot of work on the tie and feels Eric took some of it..