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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

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Voting closed: August 16, 2016, 09:05:28 AM

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5400 on: September 08, 2020, 10:06:08 AM »
She claims he tried using the knife to cut either the portions of the container or the parachute vs using the "white bank-type bag"
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5401 on: September 08, 2020, 10:11:58 AM »
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He already had one chute open and attempted to use it to carry the money. Tina stated the color being bright pink or orange. why would he open another chute very similar doing basically the same thing?

This is where I think some errors were made in the reporting.

Tina said she saw him wrap the money in a "white material." That has to be the dummy reserve.

The references to the pink canopy could mean he tried to wrap the money in the pink canopy first, then tried again with the white canopy. Or, much more likely, DBC merely opened up the functional reserve with the pink canopy for the purposes of cutting out shroud lines, and he opened up the dummy reserve to wrap up the excess money and attache case, but somehow these two events got blended together in the reporting.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5402 on: September 08, 2020, 10:14:10 AM »
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Tina said she saw him wrap the money in a "white material." That has to be the dummy reserve

Where can this be found..
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5403 on: September 08, 2020, 10:15:46 AM »
The 302's also state that she saw him trying to fit the ransom in the reserve. This cannot be accurate. I know this cannot be accurate because the size difference between the ransom bag and the reserves is significant. You can clearly see that there is no way in hell the ransom is going to fit within either reserve. Therefore, what she saw was DBC putting "some" of the ransom into the reserve. Not "all" of the ransom.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5404 on: September 08, 2020, 10:18:16 AM »
You can't change testimony..this is getting to be like radar operators...
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5405 on: September 08, 2020, 10:19:47 AM »
She saw him tampering with the pink reserve. the pink reserve was found open..it doesn't get more plain as that? why open another chute to repeat the samething...
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5406 on: September 08, 2020, 10:26:56 AM »
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Tina said she saw him wrap the money in a "white material." That has to be the dummy reserve

Where can this be found..

Not sure off the top of my head. I'll have to search.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5407 on: September 08, 2020, 10:27:26 AM »
Her second interview states he was irritated the money was not in a knapsack and trying to put it in a unfolded parachute he decided to leave it in the canvas bag..he wrapped the canvas bag with pink cord...
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5408 on: September 08, 2020, 10:29:10 AM »
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Her second interview states he was irritated the money was not in a knapsack and trying to put it in a unfolded parachute he decided to leave it in the canvas bag..he wrapped the canvas bag with pink cord...

That's correct. However, I believe she saw him putting some of the ransom in the unfolded parachute, not the entire package.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5409 on: September 08, 2020, 10:30:50 AM »
Yes, it's obvious he probably tried many ways to utilize the chute and failed..opening a second chute to repeat the process makes no sense.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5410 on: September 08, 2020, 10:35:13 AM »
what kind of knapsack was it he wanted? one that is secured to the back? if so, it suggests he was going to use the front chute.

what did knapsacks look like in the 70's? basically the same as a backpack...
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5411 on: September 08, 2020, 11:32:25 AM »
Backpack is a synonym of knapsack.
As nouns the difference between backpack and knapsack is that backpack is a knapsack, sometimes mounted on a light frame, but always supported by straps, worn on a person’s back for the purpose of carrying things, especially when hiking]], or on a student's back when [[carry|carrying books while knapsack is (us) a case of canvas or leather, for carrying items on the back.
As verbs the difference between backpack and knapsack is that backpack is to hike and camp overnight in backcountry with one's gear carried in a backpack while knapsack is to go hiking while burdened with a knapsack, usually overnight (or longer).


backpack
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(wikipedia backpack)
Noun
(en noun)
A knapsack, sometimes mounted on a light frame, but always supported by straps, worn on a person’s back for the purpose of carrying things, especially when hiking]], or on a student's back when [[carry, carrying books.
A similarly placed item containing a parachute or other life-support equipment.

knapsack
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Noun
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(US) A case of canvas or leather, for carrying items on the back.
(cryptography) A set of values from which a subset is chosen.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5412 on: September 08, 2020, 01:42:09 PM »
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The bank where the money came from describes the bag as white. the bag was pushing it already since it wasn't what Cooper requested. I feel he would of rejected it if it wasn't able to close. I recall Tina saying a cloth bank type bag giving no color..one witness stated off white.

Reading the statement with Tina also has this "she dragged a white canvas money bag down the isle"

Why does the dummy chute have to be used for the money..the chute fooled Emerick.

What did Cooper do different to the dummy chute that couldn't be done to a chute already taken apart. the only way would be to pull the cord..

Define "unfold"

Other witnesses describe the bank bag as approximately 1' X 2'. Additional things also suggest the Size H canvas bank bag was used--it was standard.

Tina said she saw DBC wrapping the ransom in a "white material." What other white material could she be talking about other than the dummy reserve canopy? Especially when you consider that DBC took the dummy reserve.

"Unfold" means that DBC opened up the dummy reserve and spread out the canopy and used it to bundle up the excess packets of twenties and the attache case. DBC then would have used shroud lines to tie up this bundle too--remember he can also use the shroud lines from the dummy reserve itself. Note, the container for the dummy reserve is not a container per se. Rather. it's essentially a flat canvas sheet that folds up around the canopy when packed.

In all probability, the container for the dummy reserve was a standard reserve container and identical to the one that was left on the airliner.  If it was just some kind of canvas sheet, then anyone at the skydiver location should have been able to recognize it as not being an operational reserve.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5413 on: September 08, 2020, 01:43:50 PM »
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The 302's also state that she saw him trying to fit the ransom in the reserve. This cannot be accurate. I know this cannot be accurate because the size difference between the ransom bag and the reserves is significant. You can clearly see that there is no way in hell the ransom is going to fit within either reserve. Therefore, what she saw was DBC putting "some" of the ransom into the reserve. Not "all" of the ransom.

Please post or reference these 302s you are referencing.

Example of format:  D.B. Cooper Part 48 of 48-036 1976 conference 

Release Part = 48
Page in Part 48 = 36
Subject =  1976 San Francisco conference
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5414 on: September 08, 2020, 01:47:56 PM »
Not sure how they are put into 302's...it's statements from Tina's interview which is different from the standard 302..she recalls the chutes in both interviews..
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