Why does this matter to the DB Cooper case

It matters or we just forget about the dredge material...can you answer why so much dredge material is way above the tide. how did it get there. remember, the Fazio's didn't spread the 74 material that far. how can this be? 

The reason this is very significant GEORGER is because it is clear that the 1970 dredge was significantly larger than the 1974 dredge. Moreover, that the 1970 dredge covered the entirety of Tena Bar, whereas the 1974 dredge appears to be two relatively small mounds that were spread per the photo.

Therefore, I stand by my theory that what Palmer identified as dredge spoils from the 1974 dredge at the money find spot were actually dredge spoils from the 1970 dredge. In other words, it proves the money arrived after the 1970 dredge and not the 1974 dredge.

The reason this is very significant GEORGER is because it is clear that the 1970 dredge was significantly larger than the 1974 dredge. Moreover, that the 1970 dredge covered the entirety of Tena Bar, whereas the 1974 dredge appears to be two relatively small mounds that were spread per the photo.

Therefore, I stand by my theory that what Palmer identified as dredge spoils from the 1974 dredge at the money find spot were actually dredge spoils from the 1970 dredge. In other words, it proves the money arrived after the 1970 dredge and not the 1974 dredge.

Call the USCE guy who Andrade says was at the excavation in 1980 and see what he says.

If the issue is Palmer's identification of dredge spoils then he failed to distinguish between 1970 vs 1974 spoils, if you are correct and that is your point. Call the USCE guy and ask him about this!

But, the hijacking happened on 11-24-71. Money shows up in 1980. Does the money care when dredge spoils were placed at Tina Bar? The money became part of whatever sand was there regardless of its date. If you are saying the money was found in older 1970 sand vs newer 1974 sand, ... the money found its way into whatever sand was there regardless of its date of deposit. If sand was deposited in 1972 and money was found in it only you might have a case the money goes back to 72?   

Money was found in or just below the upper active layer of the cross bedded layer SOMEBODY found at Tina Bar in 1980. If you want to date when the money was buried under sand and removed from exposure to the atmosphere then start doing lab work! So far nobody has taken that obvious route to dating the year the money might have been buried at Tina Bar ... and I doubt that work will ever be done.   

Palmer stated that the money was found above a dredge layer that he identified as coming from the 1974 dredge. Therefore, Palmer deduced that the money was buried on Tena Bar after 1974.

Needless to say, if the dredge layer Palmer identified as coming from the 1974 dredge was actually from the 1970 dredge that materially changes things. After all, the only thing it would show is that the money was buried after the 1970 dredge which means the money could have been buried on the night of November 24, 1971.

That's my entire point.

Judging from the water levels on the east side of the NW Lower River Road, plus other indications, that photo was apparently taken during a high water event which would of course put quite a bit of Tina Bar under water.

I pointed this fact out as well years ago and recall Hominid told about the same you have written.

Also for years I have spoke of wondering how the dredge material could of made it's way so far north without any help. something is wrong somewhere. it appears to no longer be a point of  discrediting anyone (Palmer, media, engineers) by identifying dredge layers but from what year?

Palmer stated that the money was found above a dredge layer that he identified as coming from the 1974 dredge. Therefore, Palmer deduced that the money was buried on Tena Bar after 1974.

Needless to say, if the dredge layer Palmer identified as coming from the 1974 dredge was actually from the 1970 dredge that materially changes things. After all, the only thing it would show is that the money was buried after the 1970 dredge which means the money could have been buried on the night of November 24, 1971.

That's my entire point.

So show that dredge material was applied in 1970 - there have to be records somewhere or someone who knows. Actual records are going to also specify the mile markers from which material was removed and put at Tina Bar.

Example Report: 'Material dredged from the river channel in the Columbia River was placed in several locations on or near the FAZIO Brothers’ Farm as wall as one location across the river on the Oregon side. The dredge material deposited at the site where the money was located came from the north ‘half.of the ship channel, which is 300 feet wide, between river mile 96 plus 38 feet and river mile 97 plus 17 feet. This material was deposited on the beach area of the farm between August 19 through the 25th, 1974, ‘and consisted of 91,100 cubic yards of fill.'

Reports are specific by Law.

Keep two facts in mind. (1) Tom challenges the validity of Palmer's identification of the 1974 dredging layer. Tom even says there are no dredging spoils at the Ingram location because it's too far north of the original spoil dump site. (2) If Palmer was wrong in his identification then there are no established dates for anything at the Ingram site outside of the very top layer which logic says was a recent arrival.

(3) I am suspicious something is going on with the layers Palmer identified that we simply dont understand. I am bothered by the consolidated thickness of Palmer's dredging layer so far north of the 1974 dredge deposit sites, and the thick light colored sand layer Palmer found underneath it! Something doesn't make sense. I think there is a possibility that both Tom Kaye and Palmer are wrong! The whole history of TBar and the Columbia shoreline is replenishment by a number of dredging operations consisting of materials from all over the place going back in time.

I think the money eroded out of Palmer's upper Cross Bedded Layer which represents a cross section of time. The 'question is how much time'. That upper layer is a full 2 feet thick at the Ingram site. If Palmer is correct that thick upper layer was assembled in only 5 years (1975-1980). I could be wrong but I dont see that happening ?

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So show that dredge material was applied in 1970

In the same respect one could ask for proof of the 74 dredge material at the money location. only dredge material is identified. we all know what is said over and over that the material was nowhere near the location. this would include at the tide since they never applied anything beyond 50 yards..that doesn't even get past the northern spoil itself.

I don't know if the material can last that high and that long from previous dredging or spreading of the material but it's something that can't be discarded...

All valid questions and I dont know either! See my next post.