Author Topic: Tena Bar Money Find (Read 1558306 times)

Shutter · « **Reply #5235 on:** August 24, 2020, 03:09:36 PM »

Georger, if you can't respond correctly in a challenge, then don't respond at all..I've grown extremely tired of all the back and forth bullshit..

georger · « **Reply #5236 on:** August 24, 2020, 03:24:30 PM »

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Georger, if you can't respond correctly in a challenge, then don't respond at all..I've grown extremely tired of all the back and forth bullshit..

What challenge?

EU posts there were undocumented spoils dumped on Tina Bar - no documentation - no records - no USCE involvement, etc. Just EU's claim!

Have we come to the point where FACTS dont matter at all int his forum? EU gives no FACTS, just another of his endless claims!

How in blazes do you propose we handle claims like EU's? Just give up and let EU remake the whole Cooper case as he wants it, revised daily to suit his needs?

Its 8/24/2020 on my calendar. If EU comes here claiming it 10/3/1492 ....... do we accept that and suspend all appeals to FACTS!

This isn;t personal!!!!!!!! This concerns FACTS! REALITY!

How is anybody supposed to respond to EU's HIGH STAKES HOLD EM games he is playing with the DB Cooper case?

***** Spoils do not get dumped by some mythical unknown dredging company circumventing all laws and notice by people (with no records) on the Columbia. That assertion by anyone is total nonsense. AND YOU KNOW IT!

EU · « **Reply #5237 on:** August 24, 2020, 03:52:48 PM »

GEORGER, let me explain why you're an ass and frankly dishonest as hell.

From my Post #5202 on Page 347:

"Perhaps what we have is a situation where dredge spoils were placed upon Tena Bar either very near the money find spot or on top of it, however, BEFORE November 1971.

Perhaps Palmer’s mistake was assuming that these spoils came from the August 1974 dredge."

Also, from my Post #5233 on Page 349:

"I am convinced dredge spoils were placed on the beach sometime between July 1968 and September 1971."

Now, here is from your Post #5236 on Page 350:

"EU posts there were undocumented spoils dumped on Tina Bar - no documentation - no records - no USCE involvement, etc. Just EU's claim!

Have we come to the point where FACTS dont matter at all int his forum? EU gives no FACTS, just another of his endless claims!

How in blazes do you propose we handle claims like EU's? Just give up and let EU remake the whole Cooper case as he wants it, revised daily to suit his needs?"

Now for the thinking person who reads my comments they will see three things:

1) I have put forward a specific theory.
2) I did not "claim" anything.
3) I did not state this scenario was a "fact."

Moreover, for the thinking person who reads your comments they will see a bitter and complaining man who apparently likes to imply falsehoods and apparently thinks presenting theories is a bad thing.

Your honor, I rest my case.

georger · « **Reply #5238 on:** August 24, 2020, 03:53:35 PM »

There are a number of people who simply want FRAGMENTS to go away. Never happened. Resulted from sloppy practices by workers at Tina Bar. All fragments allegedly found at any distance from the Ingram site (at any depth in holes being dug) must have originated from the Ingram find itself . . . EU, Kaye, Flyjack etal contend.

This includes fragments allegedly found 25 yards to the south in the McPheters cut where Palmer dug his second comparison trench (reported by Himmelsbach to reporters).

Flyjack etal report that Palmer was even pissed about these claims. Fly cites the clipping he found - shown below - showing Palmer's consternation ?

Kaye is pissed he wasnt shown these fragments at Seattle ? (what is the public supposed to do about that!?)

If we set people's agendas aside what is the truth? Does it matter. Obviously some people just want the issue to go away ... whether it is true or not!

Flyjack writes:

article in FBI files..
The pop cans and most of the money were found six to eight inches below the surface, but fragments of the money reportedly were as far down as three feet.
Palmer could not explain how the money might have been buried that deep. He said there was "no conclusive evidence" that money was in fact found three feet down, and surmised that it may have been deposited there in digging actions.

It indicates Palmer did not believe the money fragments were three feet deep. "

FLYJACKS READS PEOPLE'S MINDS! Palmer's mind, my mind, ... every mind in the Universe!

georger · « **Reply #5239 on:** August 24, 2020, 03:59:04 PM »

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GEORGER, let me explain why you're an ass and frankly dishonest as hell.

From my Post #5202 on Page 347:

"Perhaps what we have is a situation where dredge spoils were placed upon Tena Bar either very near the money find spot or on top of it, however, BEFORE November 1971.

Perhaps Palmer’s mistake was assuming that these spoils came from the August 1974 dredge."

Also, from my Post #5233 on Page 349:

"I am convinced dredge spoils were placed on the beach sometime between July 1968 and September 1971."

Now, here is from your Post #5236 on Page 350:

"EU posts there were undocumented spoils dumped on Tina Bar - no documentation - no records - no USCE involvement, etc. Just EU's claim!

Have we come to the point where FACTS dont matter at all int his forum? EU gives no FACTS, just another of his endless claims!

How in blazes do you propose we handle claims like EU's? Just give up and let EU remake the whole Cooper case as he wants it, revised daily to suit his needs?"

Now for the thinking person who reads my comments they will see three things:

1) I have put forward a specific theory.
2) I did not "claim" anything.
3) I did not state this scenario was a "fact."

Moreover, for the thinking person who reads your comments they will see a bitter and complaining man who apparently likes to imply falsehoods and apparently thinks presenting theories is a bad thing.

Your honor, I rest my case.

Fine. You say: ""Perhaps what we have is a situation where dredge spoils were placed upon Tena Bar either very near the money find spot or on top of it, however, BEFORE November 1971. Perhaps Palmer’s mistake was assuming that these spoils came from the August 1974 dredge."

Provide a record of it. No dredging and dumping of spoils on someone's property CAN OCCUR on the Columbia without there being a record. If what you suggest happens all hell breaks lose and people get sued from multiple directions by multiple parties concerned!

You claim Palmer got confused? Provide a record of that!

What you think and your conjectures and theory building socalled, as well as your reading of people's minds... are of no concern to me or anyone else, sir.

Provide a record of it.

*You seem to be suggesting Cooper money was deposited at the Ingram find site even before the hijacking and Cooper was given the money? You say: " however, BEFORE November 1971."

Shutter · « **Reply #5240 on:** August 24, 2020, 04:11:32 PM »

Georger, before you blow another gasket let me say something...

I spoke with Eric yesterday, several times about several things. this discussion was brought up. I thought it would be productive for him to try and find out if any dates could be verified with dredging. I believe Fly posted them but I don't know where they are. I argued with Eric in a respectable manor surrounding the material being found over a decade later. it's the first step in finding out if the theory is no longer a theory. nothing about facts.

Lets see where it goes prior to trying to make it go away?

georger · « **Reply #5241 on:** August 24, 2020, 04:17:16 PM »

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Georger, before you blow another gasket let me say something...

I spoke with Eric yesterday, several times about several things. this discussion was brought up. I thought it would be productive for him to try and find out if any dates could be verified with dredging. I believe Fly posted them but I don't know where they are. I argued with Eric in a respectable manor surrounding the material being found over a decade later. it's the first step in finding out if the theory is no longer a theory. nothing about facts.

Lets see where it goes prior to trying to make it go away?

As I read Eric's post he is suggesting Cooper money was maybe deposited in dredge spoils on top of Tina Bar, quote: "however, BEFORE November 1971."

So Cooper money was on Tina Bar before the hijacking itself ? What bank supplied the money before the hijacking in 1971 that winds up on the DB Cooper serial number list?

When you guys figure out what you are saying let us know? That is the best I can say because I dont know what else to say! Literally!

Shutter · « **Reply #5242 on:** August 24, 2020, 04:31:31 PM »

According to all known reports the dredge material was not put near the money location, correct. it's above the tideline and would be hard to get to the elevation alone, correct? we do know the beach has been replenished with sand due to erosion, correct?

Could the layers Palmer states in his findings possibly be material from past dredging operations or the spreading of material prior to 1971?

Shutter · « **Reply #5243 on:** August 24, 2020, 04:40:26 PM »

My issues would be the weather surrounding the beach over a decade. would rain wash the beach as well especially with it being pitched? rain can do sever damage in a short time and more over a long period?

Robert99 · « **Reply #5244 on:** August 24, 2020, 05:13:50 PM »

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My issues would be the weather surrounding the beach over a decade. would rain wash the beach as well especially with it being pitched? rain can do sever damage in a short time and more over a long period?

Take a look at the aerial photos for August 9, 1970, September 6, 1974, and September 29, 1979.

It is obvious that dredged material, or material from somewhere else, had been placed on the beach and mostly south of the Tina Bar gate prior to the 1970 photo. It is not a stretch of the imagination to say that not all of the work, dredged or otherwise, to shore up Tina Bar was recorded photographically or in writing.

The beach in the Tina Bar area was probably worked on annually to repair the previous erosion and to prevent further erosion. It was a rather popular spot for fishing and outdoor activities.

On the rain matter, there is a saying by Oregon people that you can tell summer from winter in Oregon because the rain is warmer in the summer. There is a lot of rain in Portland and it could easily rearrange or eliminate the sand at Tina Bar.

georger · « **Reply #5245 on:** August 24, 2020, 05:50:44 PM »

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According to all known reports the dredge material was not put near the money location, correct. it's above the tideline and would be hard to get to the elevation alone, correct? we do know the beach has been replenished with sand due to erosion, correct?

Could the layers Palmer states in his findings possibly be material from past dredging operations or the spreading of material prior to 1971?

Possibly, but there would be records. Nobody works for free! You cant take a leak on the Columbia without a permit. Environmentalists saw to that!

Could the layers Palmer states in his findings possibly be material from past dredging operations or the spreading of material prior to 1971? Yes. So what? The Cooper hijacking happened in 1971. No Cooper money can be in sediments placed on TBar prior to Nov 24, 1971.

The only documented sediments place on TBar after the hijacking was in 1974, according to the USCE. USGS photos document that.

Shutter · « **Reply #5246 on:** August 24, 2020, 05:55:39 PM »

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No Cooper money can be in sediments placed on TBar prior to Nov 24, 1971.

What ever the sediments are in 1971 "if the money" was there would have to be previous sediments under it, no?

georger · « **Reply #5247 on:** August 24, 2020, 05:56:52 PM »

Flyjack has posted more newspaper articles saying the USCE was present at Tina Bar during the excavation, according to Himmelsbach. So it must be true!

Whoopie! FJ is never wrong.

georger · « **Reply #5248 on:** August 24, 2020, 05:58:52 PM »

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No Cooper money can be in sediments placed on TBar prior to Nov 24, 1971.

What ever the sediments are in 1971 "if the money" was there would have to be previous sediments under it, no?

Yes, whatever sediments were extant in Feb 1980 were probably there the day before. What's the point being made?

Cooper money cannot be in any sediments prior to Nov 24, 1971.

Shutter · « **Reply #5249 on:** August 24, 2020, 06:04:10 PM »

How do we know for a fact any dredge material prior to 1974 or 71 remains on the beach...this was why I was wondering if the Fazio's could explain anything in detail..some sort of time table is required to know when the dredge material will be non-existent. if large portions are found above the tideline how did it get there. the Fazio's claim the spreading was nowhere near the location. this is why I have said over the years that something is wrong somewhere. the 74 material shouldn't be that deep that far up the beach, right?

Could material from a decade past remain and that's what they found thinking it was the 74 material?

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