Fly, you realize the actual "Palmer report" is not public knowledge? I believe Tom and Georger have it but we don't...am I correct georger?

Absolutely. The report clearly says, just as I posted the passage above, Palmer was given and used a USCE report he was given by Portland agents on the 1974 dredging operation, but there was no USCE person at the excavation reading strata ... for Palmer! Palmer was the only official person reading strata at the excavation.

Specifically:

Two agents at Portland contacted .......... 'JACK BECHLY, Civil Engineer Chief , Waterways Maintenance Branch, Navigation Division, U.S. Army Engineer District, 319 S.W. Pine, telephone ..., was contacted regarding dredging operations on the Columbia River since November 24, 1971. The purpose of obtaining this information was to determine if it was possible that the money located on the beach property on the FAZIO Brothers’ Farm, Vancouver, Washington, on February 10, 1980, could have been placed there through dredging operations on the Columbia River.'

Bechly was NOT physically present during the excavation reading strata for Palmer! So far as I know Bechly was attending a picnic with his grandchildren that day ... in the Catskills ?   

The news article simply has the facts mixed up ...

The news article simply has the facts mixed up ...

This is not out of the norm for news media to get things wrong...

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The news article simply has the facts mixed up ...

This is not out of the norm for news media to get things wrong...

Shutter, do you understand what FJ is getting at in post #62425?  If so please explain it to me.

. . . lets continue. . . let me cite FJ below to get started...

FJ says:

"The agents were joined Wednesday by Leonard Palmer, Portland State University geology professor, and Corps of Engineers specialists in analyzing the area. The Corps of Engineers identified a layer of dredging sand as having been deposited when the 40-foot ship channel was dredged in August 1974."
 
I guess this flips the dredge spoils argument around...
I was neutral on it but the Corps makes it very likely that the money was on top of the dredge spoils.. "

FJ please see Palmer's strata chart attached. I first posted this chart back in 2010? Thereabouts. (1) the money was found in the upper part of the Cross Bedded Layer referred to as the "upper active layer". The Cross Bedded Layer represents a cross section of time dating back to some time in the past. The 24" thick cross bedded layer at the Ingram find site is a very thick natural formation created by multiple successive water events over time bringing in sand, removing sand, mixing sand, wind driven events, etc such that you wind up with mixed cross bedded layers of sand, each of which carries a date - like growth rings in a tree.

(2) The dredge spoils, if there were any at the Ingram site in 1980, are in dispute. The Cooper money came out of the top of the Cross Bedded Layer in any event.

(3) The time scale of the Cross Bedded Layer is crucial. If the CBL dates clear back to 1970 or before then it could contain dredging spoils which migrated north along with money from the 1974 dredging deposits. If it dates only to 1974 then the same possibility applies. If it dates from only say 1978, then an association with '74 dredging spoils is less likely. And so it goes ...

(4) Palmer's socalled clay lump dredging spoil layer may be irrelevant in this whole matter, so far as the Cooper money is concerned.

(5) The time scale the CBL represents is vital.

(6) At some point in time, the money must be close enough to the surface to exposed to diatoms ... found by Kaye. If Kaye has an elemental assay of 377s bill I would like to see it ? 

thats enough for right now.     

I questioned this article many times over the years. Bill Van dam or what ever his name is states the exact samething in the article..$3,000 found on Sunday and the FBI found deteriorated bills along with small pieces..where does it mention south of the money find..this would explain my other question of digging up so much outside the money location to the north?

Another video shows a line of agents (south) taking a shovel load and dumping it moving over sort of tilling the sand or turning it upward like a farmer would preparing for planting..why were they even over there doing that...it wouldn't benefit Palmer?

article in FBI files..

The pop cans and most of the money were found six to eight inches below the surface, but fragments of the money reportedly were as far down as three feet.

Palmer could not explain how the money might have been buried that deep. He said there was "no conclusive evidence" that money was in fact found three feet down, and surmised that it may have been deposited there in digging actions.

Nothing but speculation..starts off stating he has no idea and ends with possibilities...kind of a circle to nothing..it's possible some got pushed but every single piece? most of the shoveling appears to be in a horizontal dig..I seen one shaving the side which was not a good idea..

I just spoke with Richard Fazio and his brother Al and asked about dredging on Tena Bar.

Richard said that neither of them can remember specific years that dredging took place, only that it was occasional and only occurred as needed. In other words, not a regularly scheduled pattern of every four years or that type of thing.

Also, Richard mentioned that the Corps of Engineers would dump the spoils on a number of properties up and down the Columbia, including the property directly north of theirs--the current dairy property.

We know for certain that the last dredge took place in August 1974 that involved spoils being placed directly upon the beach. We also know that no dredging occurred between November 1971 and the August 1974 dredge. Moreover, given the very depleted condition of Tena Bar in July 1968, I am convinced dredge spoils were placed on the beach sometime between July 1968 and September 1971. Again, it was these spoils that I believe Palmer mistakenly identified as being from the August 1974 dredge.

So, Palmer mistakenly identified convinced undocumented dredge spoils on another property from between July 1968 and September 1971, as being 1974 dredge spoils on another property.

Since the dumping of all spoils must go through the USCE etc how did it escape their notice? No records of this! Which dredging company? Who paid the dredging company - DB Cooper?  Does Flyjack have any records on this from a Norwegian newspaper?