The money find spot I identified is 100% accurate.

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The ONLY money find SPOT is where Harold Ingram identified a SPOT to the two named Vancouver agents ... and a stake was driven into the sand. Everything started with that FACT. Dorwin and Steve Warner etal arrived and a grid was laid out using the stake to lay out their grid.

Are you going to revise the Hubble Constant next? Based on what!? Fruit Loops? 

This is just crazy.  You dont even know the names of the agents that were there and yet you have this "vision"!   


 

I’m thinking of a scenario where the body ends up upstream from Tena Bar (somewhere along or just a few miles west of the V23), not in the water but close to it. Somewhere remote enough where a body with thousands of dollars strapped to it could remain hidden throughout the winter. Then, due to some combination of flooding, rain, snow melt, etc. ends up in the Columbia where it floats downstream to Tena Bar. By some unknown mechanism, the money becomes free of the bag and the body and part of it subsequently ends up on Tena Bar.

As I articulate this, it really does seem farfetched, but with some many possibilities, I don’t think it’s too wild a theory to ponder.

Chaucer,

Ponder away but you seem to be coming around to the Western Flight Path idea and my Caterpillar Island suggestion.  Didn't you denounce both of those just recently and make some statements about telling a certain generation that they were full of shit?

Have you finally started reading the posts?

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I’m thinking of a scenario where the body ends up upstream from Tena Bar (somewhere along or just a few miles west of the V23), not in the water but close to it. Somewhere remote enough where a body with thousands of dollars strapped to it could remain hidden throughout the winter. Then, due to some combination of flooding, rain, snow melt, etc. ends up in the Columbia where it floats downstream to Tena Bar. By some unknown mechanism, the money becomes free of the bag and the body and part of it subsequently ends up on Tena Bar.

As I articulate this, it really does seem farfetched, but with some many possibilities, I don’t think it’s too wild a theory to ponder.

Seems like you're the one not reading posts. I've stated from the beginning that the flight was likely "slightly west" by about 2 or 3 miles.

Chaucer,

Ponder away but you seem to be coming around to the Western Flight Path idea and my Caterpillar Island suggestion.  Didn't you denounce both of those just recently and make some statements about telling a certain generation that they were full of shit?

Have you finally started reading the posts?

Seems like you're the one not reading posts. I've stated from the very beginning that the flight path was likely "slightly west" by about 2 or 3 miles.

Also, I never said that anyone was "full of shit". If you want to read my exact words, go back and quote them.

By the way, I'm still waiting for your evidence that debris only washes up on the western bank of the Columbia and nothing from south of the bend could end up on Tena Bar. Whenever you get around to provding that, I'll be eagerly awaiting.

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I’m thinking of a scenario where the body ends up upstream from Tena Bar (somewhere along or just a few miles west of the V23), not in the water but close to it. Somewhere remote enough where a body with thousands of dollars strapped to it could remain hidden throughout the winter. Then, due to some combination of flooding, rain, snow melt, etc. ends up in the Columbia where it floats downstream to Tena Bar. By some unknown mechanism, the money becomes free of the bag and the body and part of it subsequently ends up on Tena Bar.

As I articulate this, it really does seem farfetched, but with some many possibilities, I don’t think it’s too wild a theory to ponder.

Seems like you're the one not reading posts. I've stated from the beginning that the flight was likely "slightly west" by about 2 or 3 miles.

Chaucer,

Ponder away but you seem to be coming around to the Western Flight Path idea and my Caterpillar Island suggestion.  Didn't you denounce both of those just recently and make some statements about telling a certain generation that they were full of shit?

Have you finally started reading the posts?

Seems like you're the one not reading posts. I've stated from the very beginning that the flight path was likely "slightly west" by about 2 or 3 miles.

Also, I never said that anyone was "full of shit". If you want to read my exact words, go back and quote them.

By the way, I'm still waiting for your evidence that debris only washes up on the western bank of the Columbia and nothing from south of the bend could end up on Tena Bar. Whenever you get around to provding that, I'll be eagerly awaiting.

And I am still waiting for you to provide evidence that I said "that debris only washes up on the western bank of the Columbia".  I'm trust that you have peer reviewed sources for your claims.

Apology accepted.

All this talk about stakes being driven into the sand, yellow circles, green ones, and who said what to whom is confusing me.

Is the current understanding on the money find that the The Spot is where Eric pinpointed it with GPS coordinates - or pretty close to that location - and that is also where Harold and feds put a stake into the ground and started digging?

Harold called Portland 5:30 p.m., on Monday February 11, 1980 at the end of his work day. It didn't take long to run his serial numbers so Portland knew what they were dealing with, and they notified Seattle and Vancouver. Vancouver had actual jurisdiction over the find site so it was Vancouver agents that picked up Harold with a Deputy and took Harold to the Fazio property where Harold identified the find site, and one Vancouver agent drove a stake at the site Harold identified. ...

I thot you interviewed Dorwin? Did he give you a timeline of events and who did what when, and why?

On Tuesday February 11 the Ingrams have their press conference with Himmelsbach at the Portland Office around 9:30am, with Portland agents and a Deputy locking down the Fazio property, Dorwin etal assemble tools and go to Tina Bar 9:00-11:00am, find the Vancouver stake and begin their canvas and laying out a grid ....... the canvas of the sandbar continues and excavation starts as others arrive. People are assigned specific duties ... the news media is waiting to be allowed in ...   

This is all very old news -

So you are saying you didnt know the GRID had any basis in facts! ?   Amazing. 

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All this talk about stakes being driven into the sand, yellow circles, green ones, and who said what to whom is confusing me.

Is the current understanding on the money find that the The Spot is where Eric pinpointed it with GPS coordinates - or pretty close to that location - and that is also where Harold and feds put a stake into the ground and started digging?

Harold called Portland 5:30 p.m., on Monday February 11, 1980 at the end of his work day. It didn't take long to run his serial numbers so Portland knew what they were dealing with, and they notified Seattle and Vancouver. Vancouver had actual jurisdiction over the find site so it was Vancouver agents that picked up Harold with a Deputy and took Harold to the Fazio property where Harold identified the find site, and one Vancouver agent drove a stake at the site Harold identified. ...

I thot you interviewed Dorwin? Did he give you a timeline of events and who did what when, and why?

On Tuesday February 11 the Ingrams have their press conference with Himmelsbach at the Portland Office around 9:30am, with Portland agents and a Deputy locking down the Fazio property, Dorwin etal assemble tools and go to Tina Bar 9:00-11:00am, find the Vancouver stake and begin their canvas and laying out a grid ....... the canvas of the sandbar continues and excavation starts as others arrive. People are assigned specific duties ... the news media is waiting to be allowed in ...   

This is all very old news -

So you are saying you didnt know the GRID had any basis in facts! ?   Amazing.

What I'm asking is geography. Is the spot Eric says is the money find location the same as where the feds put a stake in the ground?

Im not sure. Maybe Shutter has some idea... the stake location might be close to where Brian is photographed but that is speculation on my part.  The leaning tree is behind Brian in these photos ...

What I'm asking is geography. Is the spot Eric says is the money find location the same as where the feds put a stake in the ground?

I can 100% guarantee that the money find spot I identified in January 2019, the same spot I'm referring to today, is completely accurate.

The important things to reference are the small gravel road, the angle road (no longer in existence), the property line, and other physical features in the distance including access roads, the retention pond, and some of the Fazio buildings. Plus, the FBI creating a grid in the sand in 20-foot intervals provides a solid scale.

Also, going to the site and becoming familiar with it from all angles was critically important. Once I did that I could finally see how everything fit together. I can say that I probably know Tena Bar better than anyone at this point as far as it relates to the money find. I have spent a lot of hours there over several trips combing over the area from the ground, from the river by boat, even by helicopter.

Again, 45.718551, -122.759407 is 100% accurate, likely within 5-10 feet.

Knowing the flood history of the area is important too. Of note, beginning in June 1950--about the time the Fazio's purchased the property--up to February of 1980 when the money was found, the money find spot--in 1980 terms--was underwater seven times. Only two of these times occurred between the skyjacking in 1971 and 1980. In other words, there were five other times when the spot was underwater between June 1950 and June 1972.

But, there's a catch.

Dredge spoils very early on did have an impact on the spot. More to the point, the beach had formerly eroded quite a bit before being replenished by spoils. Therefore, the spot was also underwater in July 1968--3 1/2 years before the skyjacking--even though the river wasn't particularly high.

Also of note, after the June 1974 flood event which put the money find spot underwater, it was not underwater again for another 21 1/2 years until November of 1995.