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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

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Voting closed: August 16, 2016, 09:05:28 AM

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5070 on: August 16, 2020, 09:25:43 PM »
Wondering about water levels and the location...

Why do we go by flood data? this pic was taken on May 5, 1974..the money is underwater..if it was there..
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5071 on: August 16, 2020, 09:34:50 PM »
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Wondering about water levels and the location...

Why do we go by flood data? this pic was taken on May 5, 1974..the money is underwater..if it was there..

That is correct. The river started rising in May '74 and crested at yet another record high level in June.

The money find spot is probably an inch or two under water in this photo.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5072 on: August 16, 2020, 09:38:51 PM »
I think it's a little deeper than that to show the waterline from a sat photo..
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5073 on: August 16, 2020, 09:42:07 PM »
It's measuring 40 feet from the shoreline...
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5074 on: August 16, 2020, 10:04:08 PM »
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I think it's a little deeper than that to show the waterline from a sat photo..

The water's edge in this photo is about three feet beyond the money find spot. Considering the slope of the beach you're only talking water that's a couple of inches deep.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5075 on: August 16, 2020, 10:30:03 PM »
The line in the photo is further out than I measured on the site...this would be about 45 feet..location appears to be about 23 feet...
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5076 on: August 16, 2020, 11:15:11 PM »
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The line in the photo is further out than I measured on the site...this would be about 45 feet..location appears to be about 23 feet...

I'm not sure what you're referencing here.

The line in the photo does not denote the money find spot. If you take the far right end of the line and lock that in place and rotate the far left end down to a point in between 7 and 8 o'clock then you'll find that the end of the line at that point being where the  money find spot is located. Again this will be only a couple of feet from the water's edge in this photo.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5077 on: August 16, 2020, 11:33:42 PM »
That was basically the furthest distance...it's about 20 plus feet into the water..I didn't think it was that far either until measured..
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5078 on: August 17, 2020, 01:01:25 AM »
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That was basically the furthest distance...it's about 20 plus feet into the water..I didn't think it was that far either until measured..

It's very difficult to see where the water edge is in these photos. The red dot to the right in the second photo is where the money was found.

If my memory serves me correctly, the money find spot is about 40 feet from the small gravel road--not the FBI car. The red line does not reach the half way point to the road. Therefore, it would have to be under 20 feet.

Nonetheless, the gravel road is only about 5 feet above the  money find spot. So in this case if it was half way to the road the level of the river would be about 16 feet, therefore the spot would be under about two feet of water.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5079 on: August 17, 2020, 01:03:47 AM »
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That was basically the furthest distance...it's about 20 plus feet into the water..I didn't think it was that far either until measured..

Flyjack has posted quite a bit of video in post #62327, page 2494, on DropZone that shows Dr. Palmer sitting on the edge of a evacuation and several FBI agents in the evacuation and nearby.

The video indicates that the location of the evacuation was on a rather steep grade and things got quite a bit steeper just a few feet closer to the tree line.

Suggest EU and Shutter take a look and that should resolve at least some of their comments.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5080 on: August 17, 2020, 03:09:20 AM »
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That was basically the furthest distance...it's about 20 plus feet into the water..I didn't think it was that far either until measured..

Flyjack has posted quite a bit of video in post #62327, page 2494, on DropZone that shows Dr. Palmer sitting on the edge of a evacuation and several FBI agents in the evacuation and nearby.

The video indicates that the location of the evacuation was on a rather steep grade and things got quite a bit steeper just a few feet closer to the tree line.

Suggest EU and Shutter take a look and that should resolve at least some of their comments.

Actually he posted two vids, one seen before, and FJ made comments you chose not to mention one of which involves an agent leaning on a "stake" at the Ingram site in the first video! ?

Could this be the stick and the stake Vancouver agents and Ingram drove to mark the find location? Note there is a stick beside the stake - I mention this for future reference.  

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FJ's comments are:

"Looked at the news report from 1980, the time of the money find...  the money was at high water mark. You don't need a flood to explain it being deposited. The 72 and 74 flood level is a red herring. Highest flow is Spring.

Guy leaning on stake at the find spot.
 
Washed up by high water and wave action..
 
Note debris at high water mark @ 53 seconds.. looks about 30 ft from waterline.
 
Here is the high tide line DURING THE FBI DIG,, at the time the money was described as found at the high tide line.. Palmer concluded it arrived within a year of it being found.

Stick and stake shown below -
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5081 on: August 17, 2020, 08:03:28 AM »
The video still shows a agent leaning on a shovel...the stake is very close to that point. I will circle it in the next post. also appears to have string on the stake..the stake can be seen in another video as well..the stake appears to be similar to whats called a Johnny bar. it's a steel pry bar with rounded beveled end on it so it can be hit with objects..if you zoom in you can see the shovel sticking out of the sand..

The other comments surround high water during the period of May 5, 1974 and the location being underwater with differences of the depth..
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5082 on: August 17, 2020, 08:15:19 AM »
The stake is marked with an arrow...I would guess any makeshift marking previous to the FBI getting on site would be remove and replaced with a structural marker vs a stick..make sure to use the enlarge feature...
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5083 on: August 17, 2020, 11:04:19 AM »
If the money doesn't float how did it get from the bottom of the river to the top especially if you use the tideline as the reason it was found there? all the debris in the background likely floats...

A long hourly test could help..put a pack of bills on the shoreline just before the tide comes in. you would have to attach it somehow and see if it would lodge itself at the high tide line..also put one in place when the tide starts to go down? possibly using light fishing string..

Fly, you are showing the samething's I posted in 2016..the curve in the tree's have been shown numerous times over the years. the point here was convincing the location Tom provided was incorrect..things on the bottom of the river for periods of time would get covered with the build up of sand that causes them to constantly dredge. spring starts in March, not February. the money was suspended weeks, months or years. it can self bury on the beach and not in the river? lots of factors involved with hydraulics and movement...we would see lots of things on the shore that came from the bottom that was man made..

I also believe Palmer thinks the money floats..he states "just like driftwood"

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Actually he posted two vids, one seen before

Both are on this site and found by me...
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5084 on: August 17, 2020, 01:43:41 PM »
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If the money doesn't float how did it get from the bottom of the river to the top especially if you use the tideline as the reason it was found there? all the debris in the background likely floats...

A long hourly test could help..put a pack of bills on the shoreline just before the tide comes in. you would have to attach it somehow and see if it would lodge itself at the high tide line..also put one in place when the tide starts to go down? possibly using light fishing string..

Fly, you are showing the samething's I posted in 2016..the curve in the tree's have been shown numerous times over the years. the point here was convincing the location Tom provided was incorrect..things on the bottom of the river for periods of time would get covered with the build up of sand that causes them to constantly dredge. spring starts in March, not February. the money was suspended weeks, months or years. it can self bury on the beach and not in the river? lots of factors involved with hydraulics and movement...we would see lots of things on the shore that came from the bottom that was man made..

I also believe Palmer thinks the money floats..he states "just like driftwood"

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Actually he posted two vids, one seen before

Both are on this site and found by me...

Yes, exactly the configuration of trees you used  in 016.

What I would like to know is when and how were the Brian photos taken at or near the find location, with that leaning tree hind ?

FJ's photos - the news vid still of the beach is great!
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