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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

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Voting closed: August 16, 2016, 09:05:28 AM

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5040 on: August 15, 2020, 06:36:08 PM »
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And here...the car can be seen in the background of the money location...

Tree #2 is no longer there. Tree #1 may still exist. Today, there is a small grove of trees in the spot that tree #1 occupies. It is in this spot that I broke my finger and nearly killed myself last November hiking up a steep embankment of about 12 feet.

EU, getting up from the water's edge to what is left of the rode is definitely a problem since is just sand for all practical purposes.  The next time you visit there you should take a hiking pole of some kind to help, at least it helped me.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5041 on: August 15, 2020, 06:39:13 PM »
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Containement pond with yellow arrows..

I don't think so.  The east and west sides of the containment pond are basically parallel to the river water and the north and south sides are perpendicular to the river.  This picture has the containment pit as being at an angle to the river.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5042 on: August 15, 2020, 06:40:51 PM »
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Containement pond with yellow arrows..

I don't think so.  The east and west sides of the containment pond are basically parallel to the river water and the north and south sides are perpendicular to the river.  This picture has the containment pit as being at an angle to the river.

It's the containment pond..a curve in the river is not seen..I believe it's part of the original spoil if not mistaken..
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5043 on: August 15, 2020, 06:42:03 PM »
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EU, in 2013 when Meyer Louie and I were there, a fellow named "Jon" took me on a little tour to the north of Tina Bar to show me how bad the erosion problem was.  He pointed out that building and said it was an outhouse.

Jon also showed me a place along the water line in the area of that building where boulders weighing several tons had been placed to help counter the erosion.  These boulders were so large that they would have had to be moved there by barge and placed in the water by a big-time crane.

And as I remember it we were on ground or a ridge that was quite high and had to look down to see the boulders.  Your money find location must be on a slope of that ridge.

Everything I have seen of the FBI digging indicates that they were in an area with a relatively small slope.  The Brian Ingram picture shows such an area and I presume he was close to the location where he found the money.

Richard Fazio told me that those boulders were placed there by the owner of the property to the north. The money find spot is essentially 10 feet due west of the furthest south boulder that protrudes out somewhat.

Several of the boulders are on the Fazio's property even though most of the boulders placed are there to protect the property owner to the north.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5044 on: August 15, 2020, 06:43:43 PM »
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EU, getting up from the water's edge to what is left of the rode is definitely a problem since is just sand for all practical purposes.  The next time you visit there you should take a hiking pole of some kind to help, at least it helped me.

I relayed my near-death experience on Tena Bar on The Cooper Vortex podcast I did with Tom Kaye and Anonymous, of course, with Darren.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5045 on: August 15, 2020, 06:44:57 PM »
The yellow arrows accurately point out the western levy of the containment pond.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5046 on: August 15, 2020, 06:52:17 PM »
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Robert, what leads you to believe the car in the photo is nowhere near the money location?

Shutter, the picture in post #5017 with a red circle and "car" label adjacent is several hundred feet from the water's edge.  The find location the red line points is very close to the water's edge.

And as I have point out earlier, the bottom of that picture is to the south and not the north.  The entire picture appears to be posted in reverse.  With the south at the bottom of the picture, the river should be on the left while here it is on the right.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5047 on: August 15, 2020, 06:55:36 PM »
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The yellow arrows accurately point out the western levy of the containment pond.

I don't think so.  Sorry.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5048 on: August 15, 2020, 07:14:50 PM »
It's right in this photo . it's a side view which might be skewing accurate view. it's a still from video...
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5049 on: August 15, 2020, 07:24:49 PM »
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It's right in this photo . it's a side view which might be skewing accurate view. it's a still from video...

Nope.  The southwest corner of the containment pit forms the east post for the Tina Bar gate.  You show it being much further away from the water's edge that it actually is.  Also, the beach does not make a turn to the southwest at the containment pit as shown in the picture.  At Tina Bar, the water's edge is basically north and south.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5050 on: August 15, 2020, 07:48:42 PM »
If you went down the angled road from the entrance of Tbar from the north..you would follow it down and turn right on the beach to go to the money location...the containment pond is on the south side of the angled path..I'll point this out in a new photo...
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5051 on: August 15, 2020, 08:00:58 PM »
Ok, the red line represents the containment pond on the south side of the angled road/path marked in blue..the money location is marked with a red circle and the helicopter still is the blue circle north of all markings..the image is not going to be perfect at that angle but clearly shows things. you can see the bends in the coastline..it appears to still have remains of the northern spoil visible..the pencil mark is outside the actual location of the find. I can still see the curved roads even in this overhead shot..
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5052 on: August 15, 2020, 08:22:43 PM »
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Ok, the red line represents the containment pond on the south side of the angled road/path marked in blue..the money location is marked with a red circle and the helicopter still is the blue circle north of all markings..the image is not going to be perfect at that angle but clearly shows things. you can see the bends in the coastline..it appears to still have remains of the northern spoil visible..the pencil mark is outside the actual location of the find. I can still see the curved roads even in this overhead shot..

This picture looks good but where are the "curved roads" that you mention?
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5053 on: August 15, 2020, 10:01:07 PM »
It's hard to draw the location. they can be seen on different sat pics from different years..measuring off the Vancouver map website shows the containment pond in 1996 to be 142 feet to the waterline..tide level unknown. a real easy way to find the location years later is using the north entrance area to guide you straight out to the location. there is several ways to pinpoint years later..

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #5054 on: August 15, 2020, 11:34:49 PM »
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Ok, the red line represents the containment pond on the south side of the angled road/path marked in blue..the money location is marked with a red circle and the helicopter still is the blue circle north of all markings..the image is not going to be perfect at that angle but clearly shows things. you can see the bends in the coastline..it appears to still have remains of the northern spoil visible..the pencil mark is outside the actual location of the find. I can still see the curved roads even in this overhead shot..

Flyjack posts his find site and notes its on the high tide line just as one of the Fazio's remarked. He also marks the high tide line which is easily seen in the photos ...

Building A is 220.86 ft long if you recall or need a scale.
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