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FLYJACK · « **Reply #495 on:** January 09, 2015, 01:42:13 PM »

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What do you think has the highest probability?

I would have to say something went wrong with the jump.
Something possibly is wrong with the path, or the timing.
The plane did cross the Columbia, and we have money from that plane downstream.

If we had the whole story to what happened we could have better answers, or possible conclusions. we don't have the transcripts showing everything that was said around this time period. we could be assuming things for the wrong reasons.

I agree, the simplest, highest probability explanation is that he died in the jump.

Simplest, he landed/died in a body of water/river that washed the money to TBAR.

The dump theory was an attempt to reasonably explain it if he had survived in the context of all the information. If he did survive getting the money to TBAR is a tougher nut to crack..

georger · « **Reply #496 on:** January 09, 2015, 02:06:45 PM »

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What do you think has the highest probability?

I would have to say something went wrong with the jump.
Something possibly is wrong with the path, or the timing.
The plane did cross the Columbia, and we have money from that plane downstream.

If we had the whole story to what happened we could have better answers, or possible conclusions. we don't have the transcripts showing everything that was said around this time period. we could be assuming things for the wrong reasons.

I agree, the simplest, highest probability explanation is that he died in the jump.

Simplest, he landed/died in a body of water/river that washed the money to TBAR.

The dump theory was an attempt to reasonably explain it if he had survived in the context of all the information. If he did survive getting the money to TBAR is a tougher nut to crack..

I will say this again for the 1-zillionth time:

Nothing has ever been documented to have flowed from point A, to Tina Bar. That includes articles from your dump to Tina Bar.

That said, obviously things wind up on Tina Bar ... from somewhere, from many points of origin. But, no dominant route connecting points has ever been demonstrated. No particular set of conditions has been documented. So far as I know the whole thing is random. But, things probably don't flow to Tina Bar from Toulouse France!

Those facts define your universe of options. Until the universe of possible options can be clarified by something, these speculations always round around in a circle, as has been the case since Feb of 1980!

FLYJACK · « **Reply #497 on:** January 09, 2015, 03:02:48 PM »

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I will say this again for the 1-zillionth time:

Nothing has ever been documented to have flowed from point A, to Tina Bar. That includes articles from your dump to Tina Bar.

That said, obviously things wind up on Tina Bar ... from somewhere, from many points of origin. But, no dominant route connecting points has ever been demonstrated. No particular set of conditions has been documented. So far as I know the whole thing is random. But, things probably don't flow to Tina Bar from Toulouse France!

Those facts define your universe of options. Until the universe of possible options can be clarified by something, these speculations always round around in a circle, as has been the case since Feb of 1980!

I don't get your attitude, it seems every angle has been covered, no real good evidence exists to support any theory and there is nothing new to be learned or theorized. There is no reason to even discuss the case at all, why have a forum, maybe that is why DZ drifted into crazyzone. Having new people with fresh eyes may dislodge something, real long shot for sure, at this point resting on what has been covered hasn't done anything. If this thing ever does get moved at this point it will take some risky out of box thinking and luck. Your attitude is to reject and discredit it. You have shut down, given up, locked yourself into a self imposed paradigm, you don't have to.

Example.. How many local people fit the FBI profile, less than 100, less than 50??

Where did Ron Connor live in 1971. What was his physical description? Does it exclude him? He was an engineer in a local AL plant that used Ti... 35 yo in '71... US military in Europe..

georger · « **Reply #498 on:** January 09, 2015, 05:07:43 PM »

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I will say this again for the 1-zillionth time:

Nothing has ever been documented to have flowed from point A, to Tina Bar. That includes articles from your dump to Tina Bar.

That said, obviously things wind up on Tina Bar ... from somewhere, from many points of origin. But, no dominant route connecting points has ever been demonstrated. No particular set of conditions has been documented. So far as I know the whole thing is random. But, things probably don't flow to Tina Bar from Toulouse France!

Those facts define your universe of options. Until the universe of possible options can be clarified by something, these speculations always round around in a circle, as has been the case since Feb of 1980!

I don't get your attitude, it seems every angle has been covered, no real good evidence exists to support any theory and there is nothing new to be learned or theorized. There is no reason to even discuss the case at all, why have a forum, maybe that is why DZ drifted into crazyzone. Having new people with fresh eyes may dislodge something, real long shot for sure, at this point resting on what has been covered hasn't done anything. If this thing ever does get moved at this point it will take some risky out of box thinking and luck. Your attitude is to reject and discredit it. You have shut down, given up, locked yourself into a self imposed paradigm, you don't have to.

Example.. How many local people fit the FBI profile, less than 100, less than 50??

Where did Ron Connor live in 1971. What was his physical description? Does it exclude him? He was an engineer in a local AL plant that used Ti... 35 yo in '71... US military in Europe..

If wanting real evidence (facts and acts) is an 'attitude' then I guess I have an attitude. Funny.

How does anything wind up on Tina Bar? From where? How? Random chance? Specific currents? Currents that vary with time of year - seasonal cycles of deposition? Currents that favour one location over another?

Anything that favors facts over speculation and speculation over no facts at all, worse contrary to known facts. Good old fashioned French Rationalism!

Is there a specific date at which time things spilled from a dump into the Columbia then flowed to Tina Bar ?
A documented case?

Otherwise let's talk about the Moon Men from Planet-X that skitter knowingly through the maldum fornax who put Cooper money at Tina Bar? And the same applies to every facet of the DB Cooper case.

Things that wash up on Tina Bar come from somewhere!

I mean no disrespect by any of this.

Bruce A. Smith · « **Reply #499 on:** January 09, 2015, 09:40:40 PM »

I'm not a big fan of Moon Men from Planet X, but I am a fan of the Anunnaki from Nibiru, aka Planet X. The guy who brought these folks into prominence was Zechariah Sitchin, and he was my first journalistic assignment. I interviewed him in the Holiday Inn in Trenton NJ back in 1990. Interesting times.

It was a UFO gathering, and Bud Hopkins was also there. His presentation was transformative. I had a profound reaction to it, and became aware of my own abduction experiences.

georger · « **Reply #500 on:** January 09, 2015, 11:40:28 PM »

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I'm not a big fan of Moon Men from Planet X, but I am a fan of the Anunnaki from Nibiru, aka Planet X. The guy who brought these folks into prominence was Zechariah Sitchin, and he was my first journalistic assignment. I interviewed him in the Holiday Inn in Trenton NJ back in 1990. Interesting times.

It was a UFO gathering, and Bud Hopkins was also there. His presentation was transformative. I had a profound reaction to it, and became aware of my own abduction experiences.

The Ransom of Red Chief ?

Bruce A. Smith · « **Reply #501 on:** January 10, 2015, 06:32:19 PM »

Who dat?

georger · « **Reply #502 on:** January 10, 2015, 11:51:52 PM »

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Who dat?

You are a man of Literature. Look it up.

FLYJACK · « **Reply #503 on:** January 11, 2015, 10:25:52 AM »

What about Smith Lake in a no pull, any consideration there..

Haven't confirmed its size in 1971 but they would flood it in winter and release it in Summer.. If they flooded in 1971, the Lake would be a larger target widthwise than the Columbia and it could hold the money for a period of time before release, a float to TBAR down the Willamette Slough. The FBI flight path goes straight at Smith Lake then turns South before it. If he jumped in a no pull just before the turn, could he have landed in Smith Lake. Some forward momentum in a no pull.

If it was flooded in 71, it would be one of the largest bodies of water close to the FBI flight path with easy float to TBAR.

FLYJACK · « **Reply #504 on:** January 11, 2015, 12:41:08 PM »

Online calculator,, for drop angle and time... looks to be 24-26 seconds in a no pull.. (estimating some variables)

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edit,, 77.16 m/sec * 26 sec = 2006 m = 1.24 miles forward distance

heading straight at Smith Lake, the path of the plane turned south prior, a no pull object may travel straight toward Smith Lake for another 1.24 miles before ground impact (using case data), How close was the flight path to Smith Lake before the southern turn and what is the confidence level of the flightpath at that point.

Shutter · « **Reply #505 on:** January 11, 2015, 12:47:01 PM »

Smith lake is a possibility, but it's a few miles west of the the FBI flight path. you also have to justify the time frame in order to prove he dropped into the lake. the whole area is suspect in my opinion. the plane crosses Hayden island on the east side.

FLYJACK · « **Reply #506 on:** January 11, 2015, 01:20:28 PM »

the eastern half of Hayden is 0.5 to 3 miles from Smith Lake, within the 1.24 estimation

Shutter · « **Reply #507 on:** January 11, 2015, 02:20:33 PM »

Here ya go....

georger · « **Reply #508 on:** January 11, 2015, 02:23:18 PM »

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Smith lake is a possibility, but it's a few miles west of the the FBI flight path. you also have to justify the time frame in order to prove he dropped into the lake. the whole area is suspect in my opinion. the plane crosses Hayden island on the east side.

That's actually not a bad idea IF you can stretch the timeline. It is clearly in the Columbia drainage basin.

Shutter · « **Reply #509 on:** January 11, 2015, 02:30:13 PM »

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Smith lake is a possibility, but it's a few miles west of the the FBI flight path. you also have to justify the time frame in order to prove he dropped into the lake. the whole area is suspect in my opinion. the plane crosses Hayden island on the east side.

That's actually not a bad idea IF you can stretch the timeline. It is clearly in the Columbia drainage basin.

Never said it wasn't, but it's a little further west. you need to justify the plane that far west. Carr gives a time frame past this position. all the water in this area is what I've been stating for a while now. if one chooses to accept he jumped in the area of the Columbia, all of these water holes become potential targets for landing.

If the timeline is inaccurate, are we strectching anything? $:-\$

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