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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

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Voting closed: August 16, 2016, 09:05:28 AM

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Offline georger

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4740 on: February 24, 2020, 03:02:53 PM »
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So pleasing to see a civil scientific discourse on the forum. Hope
it lasts.

The more we learn about the T Bar money find the more puzzling it becomes. Strange.

377

Me too!   :congrats:
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4741 on: February 24, 2020, 03:13:23 PM »
Someone says: "Yes, it suggests the money arrived from the river on TB around May/June... a delay between NORJAK and the money arrival."

Let's be clear. The diatom evidence does NOT show WHEN the money arrived ... it only shows the SEASON of a few a-formosa diatoms that are on the bill, so far. But, are there diatoms on this bill from other seasons or previous years? Are all of those broken pieces of a-formosa older specimens? If the money was on T-Bar for more than a year then there should be specimens from all of those years ?

How can the money have been lifted from the ground in February 1980 and be showing May/June 1980 diatoms, that haven't even developed yet! That is impossible. 

What are the other species of diatoms on that bill saying? Are they all May/June diatoms? From what year?
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4742 on: February 24, 2020, 03:22:51 PM »
Wouldn't Galen's bills work as a sort of control in this endeavor?
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4743 on: February 24, 2020, 03:59:33 PM »
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Wouldn't Galen's bills work as a sort of control in this endeavor?

Galens bills? What Galen's bills ?
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4744 on: February 24, 2020, 04:01:17 PM »
This is probably premature if not impossible, and Im sure Tom has thought of this, but:

Radiocarbon dating of diatom-bound organic compounds...
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4745 on: February 24, 2020, 04:37:04 PM »
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Wouldn't Galen's bills work as a sort of control in this endeavor?

I believe Tom Kaye has also been doing some research (in Arizona) for the last several years with bills in sand from Tina Bar.  At last report his bills were also in great shape.   
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4746 on: February 24, 2020, 04:42:48 PM »
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Wouldn't Galen's bills work as a sort of control in this endeavor?

Galens bills? What Galen's bills ?

See Shutter's post #4698 above.  Since you "thanked" Shutter for that post you have apparently already seen it.

For the record, Shutter's post was made at 10:16 AM EST on February 20th.  Or just four days ago.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4747 on: February 24, 2020, 05:30:22 PM »
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Wouldn't Galen's bills work as a sort of control in this endeavor?

Galens bills? What Galen's bills ?

See Shutter's post #4698 above.  Since you "thanked" Shutter for that post you have apparently already seen it.

Your post is #4746. 4698 would be a while back.  Too bad you couldnt just post it instead of making a PROJECT out  of finding it! And things were going so well here .............................  :nono:   

why not just repost it vs making a riddle and a personal attack out of it!
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4748 on: February 24, 2020, 05:33:48 PM »
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Wouldn't Galen's bills work as a sort of control in this endeavor?

Galens bills? What Galen's bills ?

See Shutter's post #4698 above.  Since you "thanked" Shutter for that post you have apparently already seen it.

Your post is #4746. 4698 would be a while back.  Too bad you couldnt just post it instead of making a PROJECT out  of finding it! And things were going so well here .............................  :nono:

There was no project involved in flipping back to where Shutter posted it.  Things are not going very well when you, in effect, claim that you know nothing about something that was posted here and which you read just a few days ago.  You need to check with your doctor about memory improvement medications.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4749 on: February 24, 2020, 05:34:44 PM »
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Wouldn't Galen's bills work as a sort of control in this endeavor?

Galens bills? What Galen's bills ?

See Shutter's post #4698 above.  Since you "thanked" Shutter for that post you have apparently already seen it.

Your post is #4746. 4698 would be a while back.  Too bad you couldnt just post it instead of making a PROJECT out  of finding it! And things were going so well here .............................  :nono:

There was no project involved in flipping back to where Shutter posted it.  You need to check with your doctor about memory improvement medications.

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4750 on: February 24, 2020, 05:40:30 PM »
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Wouldn't Galen's bills work as a sort of control in this endeavor?

Galens bills? What Galen's bills ?

See Shutter's post #4698 above.  Since you "thanked" Shutter for that post you have apparently already seen it.

Your post is #4746. 4698 would be a while back.  Too bad you couldnt just post it instead of making a PROJECT out  of finding it! And things were going so well here .............................  :nono:

There was no project involved in flipping back to where Shutter posted it.  You need to check with your doctor about memory improvement medications.

PERSONAL ATTACK - COMPLAINT FILED.

Speaking of knee jerk complaints.  You could at least have waited until I finished with the post.  I think 56 seconds sets a new records for such nonsense.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4751 on: February 25, 2020, 04:37:05 PM »
Sigh... cant we all just get along?

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4752 on: February 26, 2020, 12:16:49 AM »
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Sigh... cant we all just get along?

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That would be nice?  Do you think "Johnnie Greene" would agree?
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4753 on: February 26, 2020, 04:00:55 AM »

DIATOM UPDATE:
When we visited TB in the first week of March 2009 I dipped fresh bills in the Columbia. Going through my samples today I came across them so I spent the time to look at them in detail for diatoms. I covered approximately the same amount of area we covered on 377's bill.  The results were absolutely no A. formosa's on the dipped bills at all.  There were other diatoms I found on the dipped samples but I am still sorting out if they are different or not. Off hand it looks like some are found on 377's and some are not.

This reinforces the idea that formosa's are a summer only species at least up to the beginning of March.

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #4754 on: March 19, 2020, 01:12:03 PM »
I think it notable that I have yet to hear of anyone advocating a study whereby they throw packets of $20s--or even $1s--into the Columbia River to prove that these packets can travel to Tena Bar--or any bar--and self-bury 50 feet from the water's edge.

Why is this?

Truth be told, no one can afford it. A person could throw packets into the Columbia for 1000 years and never once have a single packet--let alone three individual packets--neatly self-bury on Tena Bar, 50 feet from the water's edge, only to go unnoticed for over 8 years.

The Columbia River delivery theory is DOA. If anyone disagrees, may I suggest they prove it by throwing packets of bills into the Columbia.
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