Author Topic: Tena Bar Money Find (Read 1358023 times)

hom · « **Reply #465 on:** December 27, 2014, 08:25:37 PM »

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I don't think this current discussion is interesting.

I've lost all interest in it too.

georger · « **Reply #466 on:** January 03, 2015, 01:41:18 AM »

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I don't think this current discussion is interesting.

I've lost all interest in it too.

Me too! Lack of motivation under the situation we currently ourselves deployed in. I just want to get home alive! Zombies ever'where!

FLYJACK · « **Reply #467 on:** January 06, 2015, 12:22:58 PM »

The St Johns dump theory,

I had a dump float TBAR theory a while back so I'll document it here. It is pure speculation.. based on some assumptions.

Cooper survived the jump with the money,
Cooper was a local resident,
The money was deposited on TBAR intact,
The money was deposited years after the hijack,
The money travelled a short distance and had little water exposure.

The theory is that the money floated to TBAR from the St Johns dump inside some type of bag, wrapping or containment, about 6 easy miles to TBAR. The dump is a vector that can put Cooper anywhere from Albany to Tacoma.

The dump is in the slough surrounded by water, it drew garbage from as far away as Tacoma. There are reports of illegal dumping by people and contractors all around the dump area. The place was a huge mess completely surrounded by water that flowed into the Willamette just before the Columbia.

The theory,

Cooper survived the jump with the money, hid the money at his residence, inside a wall, attic or object, maybe in a garage or barn. Two scenarios,,

Some of the hidden money was found by a relative and thrown in the garbage, not knowing what it was they thought it was trash. It ended up at the St Johns dump.

OR

Cooper suddenly lost control of the residence and money, he possibly died or went to prison. The residence was sold/demolished and the debris taken to the St Johns dump. If so, the rest of the money may be in that dump.

If you research the St Johns dump/landfill, you can get a sense of the place in the 70s..

I have attached a Google Earth .kmz file in zip form flyover that shows the float path from the dump to TBAR.. hope it works,

georger · « **Reply #468 on:** January 06, 2015, 03:06:02 PM »

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The St Johns dump theory,

I had a dump float TBAR theory a while back so I'll document it here. It is pure speculation.. based on some assumptions.

Cooper survived the jump with the money,
Cooper was a local resident,
The money was deposited on TBAR intact,
The money was deposited years after the hijack,
The money travelled a short distance and had little water exposure.

The theory is that the money floated to TBAR from the St Johns dump inside some type of bag, wrapping or containment, about 6 easy miles to TBAR. The dump is a vector that can put Cooper anywhere from Albany to Tacoma.

The dump is in the slough surrounded by water, it drew garbage from as far away as Tacoma. There are reports of illegal dumping by people and contractors all around the dump area. The place was a huge mess completely surrounded by water that flowed into the Willamette just before the Columbia.

The theory,

Cooper survived the jump with the money, hid the money at his residence, inside a wall, attic or object, maybe in a garage or barn. Two scenarios,,

Some of the hidden money was found by a relative and thrown in the garbage, not knowing what it was they thought it was trash. It ended up at the St Johns dump.

OR

Cooper suddenly lost control of the residence and money, he possibly died or went to prison. The residence was sold/demolished and the debris taken to the St Johns dump. If so, the rest of the money may be in that dump.

If you research the St Johns dump/landfill, you can get a sense of the place in the 70s..

I have attached a Google Earth .kmz file in zip form flyover that shows the float path from the dump to TBAR.. hope it works,

If you can document one thing ever moving from this dump to Tina Bar then at least you have a theory based on a sample of "1" !

That beats JT's claim that he moved ping pong balls from the Washougal to Tina Bar with a documented sample size of "none"!

Why don't you contact Tom Kaye or Robt Blevins and ask them if there is anything they see in the money that indicates the money was ever in a garbage dump - called "dump contact".

Shutter · « **Reply #469 on:** January 06, 2015, 04:19:21 PM »

That's a wild theory for sure. I've seen worse. a pile of events have to work all in order for something like that in my opinion.

Bruce A. Smith · « **Reply #470 on:** January 06, 2015, 08:30:42 PM »

Yup, the dump scenario is a super stretch. Never thought I'd say it, but the Propeller Theory doesn't sound quite so far-fetched these days.

And I still have a warm spot in my heart for Cooper as a time-traveller....

...I also like my theory of an electrostatic propulsion system rigged into the NB-8. Cooper then flew home to Canada. How do you like that, eh, Flyjack? Technically, he had an electronic grid woven into the canopy, charged it, which in turn produced an ionic field which was the polar opposite charge of the rain. That moved him through the rain clouds. Slow, but he got away. Kind of like NASA's Deep Space One satellite.

FLYJACK · « **Reply #471 on:** January 06, 2015, 10:46:27 PM »

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Yup, the dump scenario is a super stretch. Never thought I'd say it, but the Propeller Theory doesn't sound quite so far-fetched these days.

And I still have a warm spot in my heart for Cooper as a time-traveller....

...I also like my theory of an electrostatic propulsion system rigged into the NB-8. Cooper then flew home to Canada. How do you like that, eh, Flyjack? Technically, he had an electronic grid woven into the canopy, charged it, which in turn produced an ionic field which was the polar opposite charge of the rain. That moved him through the rain clouds. Slow, but he got away. Kind of like NASA's Deep Space One satellite.

Instead of belittling with childish mockery, explain why the float from the dump to TBAR is a poor theory, and what is your leading theory.. you have been at this far longer than I have, you must have it figured.

Shutter · « **Reply #472 on:** January 06, 2015, 11:16:02 PM »

What happened to the bag?
How can we know Cooper knew where he was?
Why would he save the money?
I'm not sure he would risk his life only to hang on to the money?

It's an interesting theory, but a lot of things have to fall into place for it to happen.

Lets try to keep things civil here. he is only explaining a theory. it appears he put a lot of effort into it. the least we can do is allow him to speak about it. I don't have a problem with anyone posting thoughts, suspects, or possible evidence. that's why we are all here.

nmiwrecks · « **Reply #473 on:** January 06, 2015, 11:45:34 PM »

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explain why the float from the dump to TBAR is a poor theory, and what is your leading theory.. you have been at this far longer than I have, you must have it figured.

I lean towards the "no-pull" scenario and the money ended up on the bar via currents or dredging. That being said, anything is possible, but is it probable?

Don't be afraid to state your opinion here, FLYJACK. This place is full of Schmaltz's who are quick to criticize, but have never solved or discovered a thing.

FLYJACK · « **Reply #474 on:** January 07, 2015, 12:53:15 AM »

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What happened to the bag?
How can we know Cooper knew where he was?
Why would he save the money?
I'm not sure he would risk his life only to hang on to the money?

It's an interesting theory, but a lot of things have to fall into place for it to happen.

Lets try to keep things civil here. he is only explaining a theory. it appears he put a lot of effort into it. the least we can do is allow him to speak about it. I don't have a problem with anyone posting thoughts, suspects, or possible evidence. that's why we are all here.

Thanks, I encourage the challenge of and vetting of theories and speculation. That is how you get closer to the truth.

This theory is really focused more specifically on the possibility of a float from the dump to TBAR (rather than how it got into the dump) given what we know from the evidence and testing, it is a very rational explanation. I have read extensively about the conditions around the dump, hopefully I'll get some info to share.

I believe it more likely, (not fact), that the money was never spent in the US by a US suspect. Why?

highest probability and reasonable inference,
He died in the jump. OR
He lost control of the money afterward before he could spend it. Died later, went to prison etc.

If he died in the jump, how did the TBAR money get there later in that condition. No real good explanation..

If he lost control of the money, how could the TBAR money get there later in that condition.. from the dump or ??

This is the area during a flood..

Bruce A. Smith · « **Reply #475 on:** January 07, 2015, 03:07:54 AM »

Flyjacker - I am not mocking you or your theories, childishly or otherwise.

I am a big believer in transmuting time and space.

I said what I believed - the dump theory is a super stretch. Offer some concrete proof and I'll take a closer look

As for landfills, it brings up a troubling question: Why didn't the folks who were responsible for the cattle mutilations on the Fazios' property in 1991 put the carcasses in a dumpster, or take the bodies directly to the dump? Just leaving dead animals lying around - no matter how sophisticated the surgical removals of issues might have been - is not nice. Also, taking stuff that doesn't belong to you, especially genitals - is rude, no matter how smart someone thinks they are.

Whoever is mutilating cattle in the US has very poor manners. Somebody should talk to their mothers and find out what's wrong.

Bruce A. Smith · « **Reply #476 on:** January 07, 2015, 03:21:57 AM »

As for T-Bar, here is my theory, or at least the theory that I would put money on if I had to place a bet tonight.

The salient clue for me is that the bills were squished together - stuck and could not be peeled off. That tells me they were buried in the sand for a long period of time and compressed.

How could that happen? Float in on a tide and get buried the next day in a flood? Dredge picked them off the bottom of the river in 1974 and threw them up onto the beach in some crazy fashion and then the river bank started to face serious erosion five years after the last spoils were deposited on the beaches?

Or buried by somebody for bizarre reasons. Cult rituals? MKULTRA? Indoctrination ceremonies? Anniversary celebration by SOG guys on the fifth year anniversary of Norjak?

For me, the money find calls for something really out of the box.

As for Cooper, I lean on the SOG guys - smart, savvy, skilled, and had the time. Know how to keep their mouths shut, etc....

What happened to Cooper?

Scenario 1: SAGE got him all the way down and the feds picked him right up. Terminated him right on the spot, or gave him a medal and a promotion and sent him back to 'Nam.

Scenario 2: Jake and boys extracted him successfully and Danny Boy went on to the next job.

Bruce A. Smith · « **Reply #477 on:** January 07, 2015, 03:34:35 AM »

Another thought on the dump theory.

If the money was in the dump and washed down to T-Bar from there, other junk should be floating down there as well. We should see a mixed plume field, but that is not the case.

In fact, the lack of a plume field is very telling. To me, it means the essential bundles were placed there. How? I don't know, but they didn't float there from upstream source. Dredge or human hands are my two leading thoughts.

Also, there are a couple troubling "facts" in the money find. The first is that only the FBI saw fragments. Brian says he and his family spent the rest of Sunday looking for more money and didn't see a thing. Al Fazio didn't see a thing, either, and says the feds are bs-ing us.

Lastly, where are all the fragments the feds say they collected? Nobody I know has seen any. Georger says his people have, and I've asked for the opportunity to corroborate their findings, but so far G is silent on the matter. Not a good sign, if ya know what I mean.

Plus, where are the affidavits from the dozens of volunteers who were digging on the beach? How about any paperwork? How come the FBI had "volunteers" on the beach? Where were the deputies from the Sheriff's department? This doesn't seem correct.

Fishy?

Shutter · « **Reply #478 on:** January 07, 2015, 06:59:56 AM »

They could of been "volunteers" from the FBI themselves like clerks, secretaries, people who don't normally work in the field?

FLYJACK · « **Reply #479 on:** January 07, 2015, 10:45:11 AM »

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Another thought on the dump theory.

If the money was in the dump and washed down to T-Bar from there, other junk should be floating down there as well. We should see a mixed plume field, but that is not the case.

In fact, the lack of a plume field is very telling. To me, it means the essential bundles were placed there. How? I don't know, but they didn't float there from upstream source. Dredge or human hands are my two leading thoughts.

Certainly a plume field does support the dump theory, however the lack of a reported plume field does not discredit it. I am trying to get some better info on the dump conditions in the 70s..

The dredge theory is the leading one if he died in the jump. The conditional assumptions in my dump theory were that he survived.

But the problem with the dredge theory is that the money likely wasn't in the water for a long period??

Why do you think the money didn't float from an upstream source?? even a very short distance..

More to the issue, if he survived the jump, how would the money get to TBAR??

Poll

How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

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