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As a matter of fact, if Cooper no-pulled the opportunity for deception did not exist once he stepped off the airstairs.

With this in mind, how is it that nothing was ever found (Tena Bar aside)? It was the cleanest of clean get-aways by accident?

If Cooper was a no-pull and landed in one of those man eating briar patches in the Tina Bar area, then at least part of him and/or what was attached to him is still there.  The three packets of money that were found at Tina Bar were touching or within inches of each other.  This means they arrived at the same time.  And they were probably deposited there during the next spring run off.  The rest of the money bag and whatever remained attached to it kept going downstream.  The dredging which was done after the money was found in 1980 should have been looking for parachutes with perhaps a torso being held together with the raincoat that Cooper was wearing (and long johns if he was actually wearing them) attached to them.  But forget about dredging the river, just check the wing dams downstream from the money find location at Tina Bar.

The wing dams were checked . . . more or less. By several expeditions. Start reading and listening!

In 1971, in the Portland area all rescue, law enforcement entities, hospitals, corners, etc were contacted and asked to report anything that might be related to Cooper. After the money find in 1980 a brand new series of searches were launched, old records re-reviewed, etc... Himmelsbach personally managed all of these searches and he set up liaisons with area divers, salvage people, John Powelson at Aquatic Sports, etc and a network for reporting the results of people searching was created - again by Himmelsbach personally. Dorwin Schreuder worked on that team and it ran for a full two years before Tosaw was even on the scene. Out of all of these searches nothing ever surfaced related to Cooper. Searches included both searches on land and in the Columbia including at wing dams.

DID YOU READ THIS R99 - SO WE DONT HAVE TO GO OVER IT 500 TIMES MORE? 

Georger, you need to read what I wrote.  I didn't say anyone would find Cooper or anything related to him.  I simply said that the places to check would be the wing dams downstream from the money find location.  If nothing related to Cooper was found in those wing dams, assuming nothing was missed, it simply means that it made it further downstream.  I assume you are also going to claim that those man eating briar patches on Caterpillar Island were thoroughly checked as well.

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As a matter of fact, if Cooper no-pulled the opportunity for deception did not exist once he stepped off the airstairs.

With this in mind, how is it that nothing was ever found (Tena Bar aside)? It was the cleanest of clean get-aways by accident?

If Cooper was a no-pull and landed in one of those man eating briar patches in the Tina Bar area, then at least part of him and/or what was attached to him is still there.  The three packets of money that were found at Tina Bar were touching or within inches of each other.  This means they arrived at the same time.  And they were probably deposited there during the next spring run off.  The rest of the money bag and whatever remained attached to it kept going downstream.  The dredging which was done after the money was found in 1980 should have been looking for parachutes with perhaps a torso being held together with the raincoat that Cooper was wearing (and long johns if he was actually wearing them) attached to them.  But forget about dredging the river, just check the wing dams downstream from the money find location at Tina Bar.

The wing dams were checked . . . more or less. By several expeditions. Start reading and listening!

In 1971, in the Portland area all rescue, law enforcement entities, hospitals, corners, etc were contacted and asked to report anything that might be related to Cooper. After the money find in 1980 a brand new series of searches were launched, old records re-reviewed, etc... Himmelsbach personally managed all of these searches and he set up liaisons with area divers, salvage people, John Powelson at Aquatic Sports, etc and a network for reporting the results of people searching was created - again by Himmelsbach personally. Dorwin Schreuder worked on that team and it ran for a full two years before Tosaw was even on the scene. Out of all of these searches nothing ever surfaced related to Cooper. Searches included both searches on land and in the Columbia including at wing dams.

DID YOU READ THIS R99 - SO WE DONT HAVE TO GO OVER IT 500 TIMES MORE? 

Georger, you need to read what I wrote.  I didn't say anyone would find Cooper or anything related to him.  I simply said that the places to check would be the wing dams downstream from the money find location.  If nothing related to Cooper was found in those wing dams, assuming nothing was missed, it simply means that it made it further downstream.  I assume you are also going to claim that those man eating briar patches on Caterpillar Island were thoroughly checked as well.

So - you are saying that wing dams are a clearing house for the river - if things dont wind up there they either dont exist or moved on...

I dont believe the FBI ever used you as an expert on How the Columbia works.

You have more stipulations and qualifications than a Chinese lawyer! All in a SPECULATION that is nothing but a speculation - in the first place.

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As a matter of fact, if Cooper no-pulled the opportunity for deception did not exist once he stepped off the airstairs.

With this in mind, how is it that nothing was ever found (Tena Bar aside)? It was the cleanest of clean get-aways by accident?

If Cooper was a no-pull and landed in one of those man eating briar patches in the Tina Bar area, then at least part of him and/or what was attached to him is still there.  The three packets of money that were found at Tina Bar were touching or within inches of each other.  This means they arrived at the same time.  And they were probably deposited there during the next spring run off.  The rest of the money bag and whatever remained attached to it kept going downstream.  The dredging which was done after the money was found in 1980 should have been looking for parachutes with perhaps a torso being held together with the raincoat that Cooper was wearing (and long johns if he was actually wearing them) attached to them.  But forget about dredging the river, just check the wing dams downstream from the money find location at Tina Bar.

The wing dams were checked . . . more or less. By several expeditions. Start reading and listening!

In 1971, in the Portland area all rescue, law enforcement entities, hospitals, corners, etc were contacted and asked to report anything that might be related to Cooper. After the money find in 1980 a brand new series of searches were launched, old records re-reviewed, etc... Himmelsbach personally managed all of these searches and he set up liaisons with area divers, salvage people, John Powelson at Aquatic Sports, etc and a network for reporting the results of people searching was created - again by Himmelsbach personally. Dorwin Schreuder worked on that team and it ran for a full two years before Tosaw was even on the scene. Out of all of these searches nothing ever surfaced related to Cooper. Searches included both searches on land and in the Columbia including at wing dams.

DID YOU READ THIS R99 - SO WE DONT HAVE TO GO OVER IT 500 TIMES MORE? 

Georger, you need to read what I wrote.  I didn't say anyone would find Cooper or anything related to him.  I simply said that the places to check would be the wing dams downstream from the money find location.  If nothing related to Cooper was found in those wing dams, assuming nothing was missed, it simply means that it made it further downstream.  I assume you are also going to claim that those man eating briar patches on Caterpillar Island were thoroughly checked as well.

So - you are saying that wing dams are a clearing house for the river - if things dont wind up there they either dont exist or moved on...

I dont believe the FBI ever used you as an expert on How the Columbia works.

You have more stipulations and qualifications than a Chinese lawyer! All in a SPECULATION that is nothing but a speculation - in the first place.

If the FBI used you as an "expert on How the Columbia works", then that explains how you got things so screwed up!

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The other big problem with the No-Pull Theory is that the timing simply doesn't add up. The jet could not have made it to a point south (upstream) from Tena Bar by 8:10-8:13.

ACCORDING TO YOU - YOUR VIEWPOINT IS BIASED TO THE EXTREME

Who gives a $#!+ what you think? Your BS characterizations read just like the trolls no longer on this site. Save you lies and smears for people who give a damn. Stop destroying the collegiality that everyone else here has no problem operating within. The problem GEORGER is you and you alone.

That said, I'll give you a chance to provide some facts to back up your assertions that 305 could make it to a point south of Tena Bar by the 8:10-8:13 time frame. A time frame, by the way, that the pilots themselves stated was merely approaching the northern suburbs of the Portland/Vancouver metro area.

I've done the math. I've utilized the radio transcripts. I've utilized the weather data. I've utilized first-hand testimony. All of this to measure the veracity of the timing of the flight.

The results: 305 arriving at a point south of Tena Bar by 8:10-8:13 is not possible. Even the FBI recognized this fact.

Of course, you know better. Moreover, me pointing this out involves some big conspiracy and is motivated by some agenda according to you. What a joke.

A few points worth noting:

R99 and I agree on the Western Flight Path. However, we do not agree on Cooper surviving/dying, and the timing of the flight to some degree.

Yet, we have never had a solitary disparaging word pass between the two of us.

Likewise, Bruce Smith and I are probably as far apart on the Cooper case as anyone here. Bruce is more of a conspiracy-type of guy, on the other hand, I am much more vanilla in my beliefs.

Yet again, Bruce and I have never had a solitary disparaging word pass between the two of us.

How is this possible?

This is possible because we are civilized and treat each other with respect.

May I suggest that those who struggle to act in a similar civilized and respectful manner try a little harder?

Better yet, if you feel that someone is flat out wrong about an assertion, perhaps you could present a cogent, fact-based, argument in an attempt to gain a new believer?

Speaking of political campaigns, my vote would be to permanently ban GEORGER from this site. His venom accomplishes nothing of merit. His venom contributes nothing of merit. His venom is ruining this site.

Therefore, I will lobby the powers that be to have the sole problem person on this site permanently banned from this site.