Author Topic: Tena Bar Money Find (Read 1358000 times)

Shutter · « **Reply #435 on:** December 10, 2014, 11:33:07 PM »

You might have to copy the photo to read the descriptions on it....

georger · « **Reply #436 on:** December 11, 2014, 04:37:20 PM »

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You might have to copy the photo to read the descriptions on it....

Is there a link where we can get a full-sized working copy of this?

Shutter · « **Reply #437 on:** December 11, 2014, 04:57:09 PM »

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You might have to copy the photo to read the descriptions on it....

Is there a link where we can get a full-sized working copy of this?

I believe it's from the Clark County website from what I can recall. I've had it about 6 months I guess. I forgot I had it

georger · « **Reply #438 on:** December 11, 2014, 05:00:53 PM »

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What is the most likely scenario for the existence and location of the fragments? Could the "money pile" have been bigger and seasonal rains washed the decaying fragments away from the main cache? This seems most likely to me, but is there another scenario?

I think dispersal by rains (or, by the latest water level crest) could occur only if the original money mass were at the surface. I think more likely the sand/soil in which the money was all together got "churned" and dispersed into the positions of the eventual money/fragment finds.

The idea of churning could be important - the question is when & how? My guess is evidence of churning might be reflected in a (highly churned) cross-bedded layer. The problem is I see no evidence of such a layer. Palmer found a cross-bedded layer (6-24") below the upper active layer (0-6" deep). That cross bedded layer represents consecutive periods of wave and high water events, I assume. Was there churning from some single event in that layer? A few closeup photos show air pockets within what may be Palmer's 'cross bedded' layer, but is this evidence for churning? (I don't know). I will try to repeat the prior DZ post on these air pockets when I get the time - - - hate to bore the people on this!

Of similar and related interest is Tom's 2010? photo showing strata at Tina Bar. (See photos attached) I have taken the background in Tom's photo and moved it forward to show a continuous slice of strata-time. 'B' is the clay layer Tom claims was Palmer's clay-lump layer, which Palmer attributed to the dredge layer. And above this layer at 'A' is what looks like a thick cross-bedded layer? Is 'B' Palmer's "cross bedded" layer? Could churning have occurred in that layer? Was that the layer where Cooper money landed in time, to be churned and dispersed? To my eyes even though these cross-bedded layers show cross bedding, they look like consolidated layers to me with little evidence of churning? But I am no geologist. I'm just trying to make some sense of what I see and people are presenting.

I will post closeup photos taken of Palmer's trench later tonight if possible ...

Shutter · « **Reply #439 on:** December 11, 2014, 05:07:10 PM »

Dredge map

georger · « **Reply #440 on:** December 11, 2014, 05:14:20 PM »

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Dredge map

Look! You are posting graphics that are worthless - unusable - cant see a damned thing in them !

PLEASE POST THE LINKS SO WE MAY DOWNLOAD FULL SCALE COPIES THAT ARE USEFUL TO ANY PURPOSE.

You obviously can see the graphics you are posting. The problem is - WE CANT! All we get here is a mini-copy of what looks like a graphic that might be useful?

Or increase the upload space to 1mb ?

Shutter · « **Reply #441 on:** December 11, 2014, 05:39:58 PM »

I explained it might be hard to read and should copy the photo. I also explained I've had these photo's for some time, and forgot I had them. I'm not at home at the moment, or on my home computer. these photo's were on my laptop and I forgot to transfer them. I see them fine, so I'm not at your house to see what is on your computer. dropping a house on me isn't going to solve the problem.

The last post was incomplete, and I didn't know it posted till I returned and seen it posted.

Good Evening!

hom · « **Reply #442 on:** December 11, 2014, 07:25:06 PM »

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The idea of churning could be important - the question is when & how? My guess is evidence of churning might be reflected in a (highly churned) cross-bedded layer. The problem is I see no evidence of such a layer.

I was thinking of just the mixing that would occur by multiple stages of moving the material containing the money. Like being picked up serially by a dredge, maybe being spread out in a dredge, being spread out when pumped on shore, being spread by a bulldozer blade, etc.

georger · « **Reply #443 on:** December 12, 2014, 09:15:31 AM »

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The idea of churning could be important - the question is when & how? My guess is evidence of churning might be reflected in a (highly churned) cross-bedded layer. The problem is I see no evidence of such a layer.

I was thinking of just the mixing that would occur by multiple stages of moving the material containing the money. Like being picked up serially by a dredge, maybe being spread out in a dredge, being spread out when pumped on shore, being spread by a bulldozer blade, etc.

well the action of a dredge and then moving stuff around with a tractor would tend to churn things.

georger · « **Reply #444 on:** December 12, 2014, 09:22:32 AM »

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I explained it might be hard to read and should copy the photo. I also explained I've had these photo's for some time, and forgot I had them. I'm not at home at the moment, or on my home computer. these photo's were on my laptop and I forgot to transfer them. I see them fine, so I'm not at your house to see what is on your computer. dropping a house on me isn't going to solve the problem.

The last post was incomplete, and I didn't know it posted till I returned and seen it posted.

Good Evening!

Here is how it appears to me as received. Nothing discernible.

hom · « **Reply #445 on:** December 13, 2014, 04:53:13 PM »

same here

georger · « **Reply #446 on:** December 13, 2014, 05:33:46 PM »

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same here

We are restricted in bandwidth for attachments - will just have to live with that - Shutter has enough demands on him in any event. So I will go along with the flow and keep my yap shut ---

Shutter · « **Reply #447 on:** December 13, 2014, 07:21:57 PM »

Ok, I'm home now and looking at the photo's. the first one showing the elevations seems to be decent. the dredge map shows up pretty well, but it's completely out of focus with the legends. it looks about the same on my old school laptop I had this on. (Toshiba year 2007)

I will send you all the files in the original format (TIF) they have to be really blown up to read the legends on the dredge maps (2 of them) don't do anything to them. just click on them, and use the magnifying glass thingy....

Even though all these websites claim to have "unlimited space" they can still refuse to add extra hard drives. so, I'm not going to up the limits on the photo's. they eat a lot of space. I'll contact them to insure we no issues. nothing to panic about though.

I already filled one folder. I put zero for maximum. meaning it will not fill up, or alert me it's full.

The file is 7.58 mb's. if anyone else wishes to view these files just let me know.....

hom · « **Reply #448 on:** December 13, 2014, 11:57:52 PM »

Can you "zip" 'em up?

georger · « **Reply #449 on:** December 14, 2014, 12:16:14 AM »

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Ok, I'm home now and looking at the photo's. the first one showing the elevations seems to be decent. the dredge map shows up pretty well, but it's completely out of focus with the legends. it looks about the same on my old school laptop I had this on. (Toshiba year 2007)

I will send you all the files in the original format (TIF) they have to be really blown up to read the legends on the dredge maps (2 of them) don't do anything to them. just click on them, and use the magnifying glass thingy....

Even though all these websites claim to have "unlimited space" they can still refuse to add extra hard drives. so, I'm not going to up the limits on the photo's. they eat a lot of space. I'll contact them to insure we no issues. nothing to panic about though.

I already filled one folder. I put zero for maximum. meaning it will not fill up, or alert me it's full.

The file is 7.58 mb's. if anyone else wishes to view these files just let me know.....

everything came thru well - thanks!

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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

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