There are over 4000 posts in this thread, a large chunk of them dealing specifically with the location of the money. While there are disagreements as to precisely where the money was found, no one on here has ever suggested our numbers were off by 120 feet. That claim will require some extraordinary explanation...

The following link is to a piece I wrote regarding my pinpointing the precise Tena Bar money find spot. The piece is on my "DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation of Sheridan Peterson" site, however, it does not reference Sheridan at all. I've included old file pictures of Tena Bar, in addition to pictures of Tena Bar I took on January 19, 2019.

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Well, if you accept the helo photo as evidence, shown on your site, then yes landmarks from that photo can be compared to known-registered landmarks (buildings) on the Fazio property using USGS photos from 1979-80, and the exact coordinate of your dollar sign Ingram find location can be calculated, quite easily. The lat-long and gps coords of buildings on the Fazio property are known fixed locations in County records. Shutter proved that years ago! In fact Dave's work allowed us to use a 220ft long building on the Fazio estate to serve as a scale for everything else ... in all USGS photos!

But there is an immediate problem. You say the money find was ten feet from the shoreline. The helo photo you site shows the find site was 40-60 feet from the shoreline, which is exactly what traditional commentaries have always claimed. If you accept the helo photo you cite then your find location is 40-60 feet from the water's edge, not 10 feet as you claim ?

Here is a scaled version of the helo photo you are using. Each of those grid segments Dorwin and others scribed was approx 20 feet apart. That provides a scale for the helo photo. No way is the money find at 10 feet from the water line!     

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The following link is to a piece I wrote regarding my pinpointing the precise Tena Bar money find spot. The piece is on my "DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation of Sheridan Peterson" site, however, it does not reference Sheridan at all. I've included old file pictures of Tena Bar, in addition to pictures of Tena Bar I took on January 19, 2019.

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Well, if you accept the helo photo as evidence, shown on your site, then yes landmarks from that photo can be compared to known-registered landmarks (buildings) on the Fazio property using USGS photos from 1979-80, and the exact coordinate of your dollar sign Ingram find location can be calculated, quite easily. The lat-long and gps coords of buildings on the Fazio property are known fixed locations in County records. Shutter proved that years ago! In fact Dave's work allowed us to use a 220ft long building on the Fazio estate to serve as a scale for everything else ... in all USGS photos!

But there is an immediate problem. You say the money find was ten feet from the shoreline. The helo photo you site shows the find site was 40-60 feet from the shoreline, which is exactly what traditional commentaries have always claimed. If you accept the helo photo you cite then your find location is 40-60 feet from the water's edge, not 10 feet as you claim ?

Here is a scaled version of the helo photo you are using. Each of those grid segments Dorwin and others scribed was approx 20 feet apart. That provides a scale for the helo photo. No way is the money find at 10 feet from the water line!   

A handful of things.

First, I did not claim that the money find was 10 feet from the water's edge. As it stands today, the money find spot is actually offshore approximately 10 feet. The money find spot was about 40 feet from the edge of the road (which is still there in the appropriate spot), therefore, was about 50 feet from the water's edge in 1980. Moreover, I estimate that in 1971 the money find spot was about 60 feet from the water's edge. This is based off the satellite or high-altitude pictures of Tena Bar that I found. Of course, the assumption is that the river is not unusually high or low in these pictures.

Second, there are only two sections of Tena Bar where the road is "S" shaped. One location is very near the "Tena Bar Member's Only" sign. The other section is near the northern end of the Fazio's property and is near where the money was found. Of note, on the Citizen Sleuths website there is an overlay photo comparing a helicopter shot of the beach being dug up with a contemporary image of an "S" portion of the road. The contemporary picture erroneously features the "S" portion of the road near the Tena Bar Member's Only sign, not the correct portion of the road near the northern property line. I contacted Tom Kaye and pointed this error out to him.

Thirdly, you mentioned the old leaning tree often seen in the background of pictures with Brian and others. I believe that same tree is still there but felled by erosion. In fact, there is a tree that looks quite old and similar, however, I can't be certain it is the exact same tree.

Fourthly, regardless of the Crystal Ingram story or who drove the stake in the ground we can clearly see from footage where the FBI agents unearthed a few small pieces while digging which apparently was the same spot as the bulk find. It is the same spot that is heavily dug up in aerial photos from the helicopter that I've referenced--one of which I posted. Additionally, I used the moving footage from the helicopter as well going frame by frame.

Finally, it is difficult to completely grasp the entirety of the area from the photos I've posted. However, when actually walking the area with an in-depth knowledge of how it looked in 1980 it actually becomes very easy to see how it all fits together and how much erosion has taken place over the last 39 years. The spot I've identified is correct.

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The following link is to a piece I wrote regarding my pinpointing the precise Tena Bar money find spot. The piece is on my "DB Cooper: The Definitive Investigation of Sheridan Peterson" site, however, it does not reference Sheridan at all. I've included old file pictures of Tena Bar, in addition to pictures of Tena Bar I took on January 19, 2019.

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Cheers!

Well, if you accept the helo photo as evidence, shown on your site, then yes landmarks from that photo can be compared to known-registered landmarks (buildings) on the Fazio property using USGS photos from 1979-80, and the exact coordinate of your dollar sign Ingram find location can be calculated, quite easily. The lat-long and gps coords of buildings on the Fazio property are known fixed locations in County records. Shutter proved that years ago! In fact Dave's work allowed us to use a 220ft long building on the Fazio estate to serve as a scale for everything else ... in all USGS photos!

But there is an immediate problem. You say the money find was ten feet from the shoreline. The helo photo you site shows the find site was 40-60 feet from the shoreline, which is exactly what traditional commentaries have always claimed. If you accept the helo photo you cite then your find location is 40-60 feet from the water's edge, not 10 feet as you claim ?

Here is a scaled version of the helo photo you are using. Each of those grid segments Dorwin and others scribed was approx 20 feet apart. That provides a scale for the helo photo. No way is the money find at 10 feet from the water line!   

A handful of things.

First, I did not claim that the money find was 10 feet from the water's edge. As it stands today, the money find spot is actually offshore approximately 10 feet. The money find spot was about 40 feet from the edge of the road (which is still there in the appropriate spot), therefore, was about 50 feet from the water's edge in 1980. Moreover, I estimate that in 1971 the money find spot was about 60 feet from the water's edge. This is based off the satellite or high-altitude pictures of Tena Bar that I found. Of course, the assumption is that the river is not unusually high or low in these pictures.

Second, there are only two sections of Tena Bar where the road is "S" shaped. One location is very near the "Tena Bar Member's Only" sign. The other section is near the northern end of the Fazio's property and is near where the money was found. Of note, on the Citizen Sleuths website there is an overlay photo comparing a helicopter shot of the beach being dug up with a contemporary image of an "S" portion of the road. The contemporary picture erroneously features the "S" portion of the road near the Tena Bar Member's Only sign, not the correct portion of the road near the northern property line. I contacted Tom Kaye and pointed this error out to him.

Thirdly, you mentioned the old leaning tree often seen in the background of pictures with Brian and others. I believe that same tree is still there but felled by erosion. In fact, there is a tree that looks quite old and similar, however, I can't be certain it is the exact same tree.

Fourthly, regardless of the Crystal Ingram story or who drove the stake in the ground we can clearly see from footage where the FBI agents unearthed a few small pieces while digging which apparently was the same spot as the bulk find. It is the same spot that is heavily dug up in aerial photos from the helicopter that I've referenced--one of which I posted. Additionally, I used the moving footage from the helicopter as well going frame by frame.

Finally, it is difficult to completely grasp the entirety of the area from the photos I've posted. However, when actually walking the area with an in-depth knowledge of how it looked in 1980 it actually becomes very easy to see how it all fits together and how much erosion has taken place over the last 39 years. The spot I've identified is correct.

At your website you say: "on February 11, 1980, the day after the money was discovered, the FBI showed up to ask him (Fazio) to identify whose property a certain spot on the beach was located ā€¦

Did Fazio say what time of day this was and what FBI office the agents were from? Was Ingram with them? How had the FBI obtained the location and which FBI office showed up - Portland or Vacouver?

Eric, on what basis did you move the money find north? I don't doubt the position of the angled road, the other building, the shoreline road... But why did you assume the money was farther north to begin with? The location appears petitio principii in your article.

I looked closely at the Cooper Research Team's work regarding the money find spot and it wasn't adding up. Specifically, the footage I studied wasn't aligning properly as it should in my mind. So, as with everything in this case, I decided to take matters into my own hands. I did not pre-suppose an outcome.

It involved quite a lot of study and visiting Tena Bar multiple times before I finally understood how everything lined up. It was then that I decided to notify Tom Kaye and inform him of my findings, and it was at this time that I decided to publish what I discovered.

The money find spot is critically important, especially for those of us who believe that Cooper landed very near Tena Bar on November 24, 1971. Furthermore, if people are still researching the case 100 years from now I want them to have access to accurate information.

I am absolutely certain that I am correct about the money find spot within a very limited tolerance of approximately 20 feet. This is based upon multiple observations involving old footage, the FBI measured marks in the sand, old roads and other landmarks, contemporary images, and me personally walking and filming Tena Bar.

In the end, I hope that this settles once and for all where the money was actually found. The rest, be it dredge spoil spreading, river flow levels, the self-burying or human intervention aspect of the packets found can proceed as usual and be debated ad infinitum. Nonetheless, the money find spot I've identified is where it all began on Tena Bar.

At your website you say: "on February 11, 1980, the day after the money was discovered, the FBI showed up to ask him (Fazio) to identify whose property a certain spot on the beach was located ā€¦

Did Fazio say what time of day this was and what FBI office the agents were from? Was Ingram with them? How had the FBI obtained the location and which FBI office showed up - Portland or Vacouver?

Simply put Georger, I do not know.

Richard did not tell me what office the FBI agents were from or whether specific individuals were there. He stated that they showed up one day and asked him to identify the property owner with no information given as to why they were interested. He concluded, the next day the cavalry (my words) showed up and told him what was going on. That's it.

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At your website you say: "on February 11, 1980, the day after the money was discovered, the FBI showed up to ask him (Fazio) to identify whose property a certain spot on the beach was located ā€¦

Did Fazio say what time of day this was and what FBI office the agents were from? Was Ingram with them? How had the FBI obtained the location and which FBI office showed up - Portland or Vacouver?

Simply put Georger, I do not know.

Richard did not tell me what office the FBI agents were from or whether specific individuals were there. He stated that they showed up one day and asked him to identify the property owner with no information given as to why they were interested. He concluded, the next day the cavalry (my words) showed up and told him what was going on. That's it.

Thanks Eric. You have broken new ground with this. If he says it was the next day the "cavalry" showed up then he is talking about Monday the 11th. 

Could you call him back and ask him what time of day it was .... and from what office the agents were from  (Portland or Vancouver) if he remembers? Also ask him if some guy named Ingram was with them ?

I will call him. Obviously I cannot speak for Richard at this time, however, I would be surprised if he remembers that degree of detail.

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At your website you say: "on February 11, 1980, the day after the money was discovered, the FBI showed up to ask him (Fazio) to identify whose property a certain spot on the beach was located ā€¦

Did Fazio say what time of day this was and what FBI office the agents were from? Was Ingram with them? How had the FBI obtained the location and which FBI office showed up - Portland or Vacouver?

Simply put Georger, I do not know.

Richard did not tell me what office the FBI agents were from or whether specific individuals were there. He stated that they showed up one day and asked him to identify the property owner with no information given as to why they were interested. He concluded, the next day the cavalry (my words) showed up and told him what was going on. That's it.

Thanks Eric. You have broken new ground with this. If he says it was the next day the "cavalry" showed up then he is talking about Monday the 11th. 

Could you call him back and ask him what time of day it was .... and from what office the agents were from  (Portland or Vancouver) if he remembers? Also ask him if some guy named Ingram was with them ?

I will call him. Obviously I cannot speak for Richard at this time, however, I would be surprised if he9 remembers that degree of detail.

He will surely know if it was morning, noon, or night ... one would hope! He's got to be fairly old at this point?

Thanks for the effort!!!

In response to Richard Fazioā€™s age, Iā€™m reading a newspaper article written by Al Thomas of the Columbian dated June, 2013. Al Thomas states that Richard Fazio is the youngest of the Fazio brothers at 64 years old. So that puts Richardā€™s age at 69 or 70 depending on his month of birth. In other words heā€™s just a youngster still ! 😜