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snowmman · « **Reply #4155 on:** October 17, 2018, 05:24:04 PM »

Well, no one else has the 10/31/71 NWA flight schedule out of Portland that I own.
or posted the Air America drop test video to DZ.com.
And why and how do I have a 10/31/71 NWA flight schedule!
I suppose to answer my question on where you could come or go on NWA out of Portland...
Looks like I only copied the departures. Assuming arrivals are similar. I should check sometime.

Interestingly, they only called out 747's on the flight schedule, not 727s. Seems like the 747's were used international.

international:

Osaka, Japan
Seoul, Korea
Tokyo, Japan
Okinawa
Hong Kong
Manila, Phillipines

Northwest Airlines System Timetable effective Oct. 31, 1971 page 30 and 32, showing Portland departures, including Flight 305

Shutter · « **Reply #4156 on:** October 17, 2018, 05:28:00 PM »

Snowmman's IP and State do not match Georger's location.....

snowmman · « **Reply #4157 on:** October 17, 2018, 05:39:53 PM »

Okay Shutter, I give up.
If this site is using IP tracking for something as silly as Cooper trivia, then no one's mental health has improved.
Good luck (with your mental health that is)

377 · « **Reply #4158 on:** October 17, 2018, 05:50:06 PM »

Snowmman is a friend of mine. I have confirmed that this is really him posting. I couldn't be happier that he has joined us. He will add a lot to the discussion here.

I have always thought it was very significant that Cooper told the crew that they actually could take off with the stairs deployed after they told him it wasn't possible. Snowmman has uncovered evidence of a "Boeing 1963-1964 Airstairs Test". The title suggests this Airstairs Test was distinct from Boeing's 727 drop tests which appear to have been flown with the stairs removed.

Did this Airstairs Test involve taking off with deployed stairs? Might Cooper have had access to the test documents? Look at the dates. We do have one candidate who was employed at Boeing during this time and working in tech documentation. It's miles away from proving the candidate was Cooper, but it is interesting.

377

Unsurelock · « **Reply #4159 on:** October 17, 2018, 05:57:12 PM »

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Okay Shutter, I give up.
If this site is using IP tracking for something as silly as Cooper trivia, then no one's mental health has improved.
Good luck (with your mental health that is)

I'm laughing, trust me. Just a little light horseplay. Shutter already told me you're the OG. Excited to have you here.

377 · « **Reply #4160 on:** October 17, 2018, 06:06:38 PM »

Snowmman wrote: "... 377 will be happy to see confirmation that SAGE was involved in flight path maps, using their radar."

I am very happy to see that. I worked at Hughes Aircraft which designed and built the MA 1 system for the F 106. The MA 1 allowed SAGE to automatically control the F 106 autopilot for a guaranteed intercept of a SAGE radar target. Sage worked well according to all the engineers I spoke with. It was the MA 1 system that failed to achieve acceptable MTBF (mean time between failure). When the MA 1 wasn't broken it worked well, but it was rarely functioning up to spec. My guess is that it wasn't working when the McChord F 106s were dispatched to intercept NW flt 305.

With SAGE tracking flt 305 I am confident the position was accurate as SAGE integrated data from multiple radars that were painting the aircraft.

377

EU · « **Reply #4161 on:** October 17, 2018, 06:17:40 PM »

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Snowmman is a friend of mine. I have confirmed that this is really him posting. I couldn't be happier that he has joined us. He will add a lot to the discussion here.

I have always thought it was very significant that Cooper told the crew that they actually could take off with the stairs deployed after they told him it wasn't possible. Snowmman has uncovered evidence of a "Boeing 1963-1964 Airstairs Test". The title suggests this Airstairs Test was distinct from Boeing's 727 drop tests which appear to have been flown with the stairs removed.

Did this Airstairs Test involve taking off with deployed stairs? Might Cooper have had access to the test documents? Look at the dates. We do have one candidate who was employed at Boeing during this time and working in tech documentation. It's miles away from proving the candidate was Cooper, but it is interesting.

377

I know the candidate being referred to here. I won't say any names, however, his initials are "Sheridan Peterson."

BTW, Cooper's tie, was manufactured in either 1963 or 1964. Furthermore, Sheridan started working for Boeing in May of 1962 and left in 1964.

Shutter · « **Reply #4162 on:** October 17, 2018, 06:48:01 PM »

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Okay Shutter, I give up.
If this site is using IP tracking for something as silly as Cooper trivia, then no one's mental health has improved.
Good luck (with your mental health that is)

Let me tell you something, ok...

I'm the administrator of this site...I see everyone's IP address in the lower right hand of every post..I see it when I look at who is online, and I see it in your profile...

Do I check IP's, yes, we have spam issues that still have humans that get by the testing when you register...plus, you have good old innocent Mr. Blevins always in the background..it has nothing to do with "mental health" vs trying to keep the site safe..

Shutter

snowmman · « **Reply #4163 on:** October 17, 2018, 06:59:46 PM »

Shutter,
Okay I was confused, since it sounded like you were implying I was USA based.
Can you check again. Feel free to report my location so everyone can rest easy.
Thanks.

FLYJACK · « **Reply #4164 on:** October 17, 2018, 07:00:20 PM »

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Ckret's "information" had a long convoluted story about how rubber bands got on the bills, that also included resizing and "hastily prepared"

If you agree that the rubber band story is false, then all of the resizing and "hastily prepared" information should be discarded too, since it came from the same source/interview.

There is no paper trail that talks about resizing bundles.

Ckret's info and assumptions are sketchy..

but, it was noted earlier.

FBI agent William Baker told the Oregonian on Feb 13 1980.

Quote:
"Baker said the money was bundled into packages of several sizes at the time of the hijacking. "to make it appear that it was randomly done, as if it was done in a hurry." Because of that the actual amount could not be estimated, he said."

My theory fits all the evidence..

The Bank employee randomized/resized the bundles (not packets) using rubber bands.

Therefore, the 3 TBAR packets remained in 100's but had rubber band frags left from being banded into a single "bundle"..

If the packets were in paper bands, they would have long deteriorated.

snowmman · « **Reply #4165 on:** October 17, 2018, 07:02:50 PM »

Anything the FBI said in 1980 is wrong. You saw my snippet above that the FBI sent out that said the money was in the same order as delivered to Cooper? There is no way they determined that. They also claimed it was the same 'packaging'. Also said a logical idea was that it floated down streams. All wrong.

Anything said in 1980 is wrong.

FLYJACK · « **Reply #4166 on:** October 17, 2018, 07:09:50 PM »

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Anything the FBI said in 1980 is wrong. You saw my snippet above that the FBI sent out that said the money was in the same order as delivered to Cooper? There is no way they determined that. They also claimed it was in the same packaging. Also said a logical idea was that it floated down streams. All wrong.

Anything said in 1980 is wrong.

I am sure the FBI got many things wrong but you can't assume everything is wrong..

The FBI had the original micro and re-ordered it in alpha numeric for distribution. They would have had the original order and could have checked the bills against it.

FLYJACK · « **Reply #4167 on:** October 17, 2018, 07:14:43 PM »

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Snowmman is a friend of mine. I have confirmed that this is really him posting. I couldn't be happier that he has joined us. He will add a lot to the discussion here.

I have always thought it was very significant that Cooper told the crew that they actually could take off with the stairs deployed after they told him it wasn't possible. Snowmman has uncovered evidence of a "Boeing 1963-1964 Airstairs Test". The title suggests this Airstairs Test was distinct from Boeing's 727 drop tests which appear to have been flown with the stairs removed.

Did this Airstairs Test involve taking off with deployed stairs? Might Cooper have had access to the test documents? Look at the dates. We do have one candidate who was employed at Boeing during this time and working in tech documentation. It's miles away from proving the candidate was Cooper, but it is interesting.

377

I don't believe this is true.. Cooper originally asked for Airstairs to be lowered in flight. not down.

The crew wanted to attempt an escape but Tina was stuck on the plane to lower the Airstairs, the crew was trying to get Cooper to let her off the plane so they could jump out the front. The rear Airstairs down on takeoff idea came about through the negotiation to get Tina off the plane.

snowmman · « **Reply #4168 on:** October 17, 2018, 07:14:53 PM »

Here's the text that is false, from the 1980 fbi memo the day of the press conference

THE PACKAGING AND THE NUMBERED SEQUENCE INDICATE THAT THE BILLS HAVE NOT BEEN SEPARATED AND ARE IN MUCH THE SAME ORDER AS WHEN GIVEN TO THE HIJACKER. THE BILLS WILL BE SENT IMMEDIATELY TO THE FBI LABORATORY FOR ADDITIONAL EXAMINATION.

IT APPEARS LOGICAL THAT THE PACKAGE OF BILLS COULD HAVE BEEN CARRIED DOWNSTREAM ON ONE OF THE WASHINGTON TRIBUTARIES OF THE COLUMBIA RIVER TO THE SITE WHERE THEY WERE FOUND.

it was sent from Portland FBI to these FBI offices on 2/12/80

FM PORTLAND (164-41) P
TO SEATTLE (164-81) IMMEDIATE
LOS ANGELES IMMEDIATE
SAN FRANCISCO IMMEDIATE
SACRAMENTO IMMEDIATE
SAN DIEGO IMMEDIATE
DENVER IMMEDIATE
LAS VEGAS IMMEDIATE
SALT LAKE CITY IMMEDIATE
MINNEAPOLIS IMMEDIATE

snowmman · « **Reply #4169 on:** October 17, 2018, 07:17:49 PM »

for them to deterimine the order, they would have needed the microfiche to be in portland in between the day of the find and the press conference. That was only 2 days? The microfiche was not in Portland then. There are records of where the microfiche was shipped to. If you believe the FBI had a memo with the in-order serials to Cooper, that were available to Portland, and they carefully took apart the bundles..well I don't think so. The pictures of the bills at the press conference still had some in "bricks"..yes more than 3, because they took it apart a little, but not fully.

Everything said in 1980 is wrong.

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Anything the FBI said in 1980 is wrong. You saw my snippet above that the FBI sent out that said the money was in the same order as delivered to Cooper? There is no way they determined that. They also claimed it was in the same packaging. Also said a logical idea was that it floated down streams. All wrong.

Anything said in 1980 is wrong.

I am sure the FBI got many things wrong but you can't assume everything is wrong..

The FBI had the original micro and re-ordered it in alpha numeric for distribution. They would have had the original order and could have checked the bills against it.

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