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Apparently we have some evidence of a debris field, as well as fragments found at the waterline. perhaps Georger can fill in the gaps, but Bruce responded to my question about pieces found at the waterline...
Bruce said:
McPheters said he dug at the High-Tide line and found a dozen or so fragments.
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Looking at some recent photo's of the dig you can clearly see them focused on an area at the tide-line indicating something of interest had been found. you can see several of the photo's one page back...
Several agents tell me the fragments were placed in "check envelopes" ("we called them"). "What is a check envelope", I asked. "Reply: 'they were plastic and about the size of a regular envelope you would place a check in, that's where they got the name, only a little larger and sealed with evidence tape." Those envelopes may have been sent to DC from the Seattle office for analysis. Everything we collected was transferred to Seattle. I assume it was the same for the Seattle guys .... all of the other money was sent to DC for analysis so I assume the fragment envelopes would have gone there too.
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Q: How many of these envelopes would there have been?
A: Well remember I left at the end of the second day. By that time we had enough envelopes to fill a small shoebox.
Q: That many? Oh yes. Easily. How big a volume are we really talking about? Was more than one fragment placed in an envelope or did each fragment get it's own envelope?
A: More than one fragment was put in an envelope. Remember, most of these fragments were no bigger than a quarter or a half dollar, some were larger, and most were smaller, the size of a 'dime' or so. Multiple fragments to an envelope, and the total volume of fragments could have been put into a thick 8x11 manilla mailing envelope and that is probably how they were sent through our system to Washington.
Q: Would that envelope have been bulging?
A: Well yes, thick, but not too thick. There were so many fragments it was impossible to get them all. It was taking a lot of time to collect them. About the time Palmer arrived a decision was made to stop collecting fragments unless something of a dramatic nature turned up, but that never happened. More bundles was never found and nothing else of Cooper himself or his chute et cetera. So when Palmer arrived the nature of the excavation changed, Palmer brought in a backhoe and tractor, and Palmer was more concerned with identifying the strata on the beach. We had already dug trenches because one of my concerns was how the fragments were distributed through the strata. We had already found a pretty even distribution through the strata down to about 2-3 feet at several locations. I thought that was important to know because I wanted to know how the fragments were distributed whether they were just on the surface, or distributed deeper through the layers at the sand bar, but all of this was taking a lot of time and when we failed to find anything of a dramatic nature we needed to wrap this up, so priorities changed.
Q: Were any serial numbers visible on these fragments, beyond the Ingram bills themselves?
A: Yes. We kept a list. In several cases whole serial numbers but usually pieces of serial numbers. This is something we were trying to determine, how much money was there at Tina Bar. If every fragment was one more bill, then there was a 'helluva lot' of money there on Tina Bar, but one bill can also make a lot of fragments and we were sensitive to that also. It was the 'places' were were finding fragments and the fact that fragments were distributed through the layers, sometimes far away from the Ingram money itself. That's why we made a grid in the first place to try and build a picture of the debris field.
A: Let me say this. All of this was a lot of time - a lot of time! That's why when Palmer arrived the strategy shifted. Nothing of a dramatic nature had turned up after two days, so the order came down to let Palmer set the agenda and wrap this up. Based on what had been found I've always thought that was the right call. Keep in mind we were having to deal with all the press also - that was taking a lot of time!
Q: Do you think the Ingrams had seen fragments of money on the surface and followed that to find the bundles?
A: Yes. That's exactly what I have always thought. The fragments were easy to see on the surface especially in the area around the Brian find. You would have had to have been blind not to see them. I think that's what clued them into looking and poking around. That's just my personal opinion. Something explains those fragments, and their distribution in the layers we dug into. I thought that money came up with the dredging piled on that beach, and a lot of that work was done at night when you wouldn't see what was there. Palmer then arrived and decided that wasn't the case. To me it's still an open question.
A: We didn't find anything of Cooper himself, except that money. Dna wasn't being used in those days. But, I've always wished that money and those fragments could have been tested for dna. Something of Cooper himself.
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