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I am not claiming this is a fact.. I believe it is more likely than not. More importantly, to ASSUME that the packets ONLY arrived separately restricts the means and analysis by which the money may have arrived.

who claimed they arrived separately? it's my understanding the bills were all stuck together..even the PCGS tells the story of the bills being stuck together " hidden in layers of notes and note fragments stuck together for decades" what proof is there that they were separate when they arrived on T-Bar?

Brian stated at one point the bills were "petrified"

I believe Carr's mistake was thinking paper bands were on the bills..

no, I meant the 3 packets were separate,, not bills,, everything is consistent

and Carr did initially think there were paper bands then talked to the Bank employee who claimed he randomized/resized and rubber banded the bundles..

Carr then believed that the 3 TBAR packets (he used term bundles) were different sizes/counts, this was wrong. Carr mistakenly believed the "bundles" referred to by the Bank employee was the "packets". It wasn't. It couldn't be because they were uniform 100's and in order matching pre-recorded numbers.

Post your proof "Carr did initially think there were paper bands". YOU HAVE NO PROOF OF THIS BUT YOU KEEP POSTING IT! You never worked with Carr - I did! How in hell do you know what Carr believed? Larry never believed the money was wrapped in paper bands .... for your information,. STOP LYING AND MAKING STUFF UP!

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I am not claiming this is a fact.. I believe it is more likely than not. More importantly, to ASSUME that the packets ONLY arrived separately restricts the means and analysis by which the money may have arrived.

who claimed they arrived separately? it's my understanding the bills were all stuck together..even the PCGS tells the story of the bills being stuck together " hidden in layers of notes and note fragments stuck together for decades" what proof is there that they were separate when they arrived on T-Bar?

Brian stated at one point the bills were "petrified"

I believe Carr's mistake was thinking paper bands were on the bills..

Whatever state the money was in, is lost to history and contradictory accounts given by different parties. Larry finally posted "no the bills were not 'cemented' together". I guess that means not "stuck" together, but who knows? The Ingrams did separate the money into these groups shown at turn in time - the Lab was able to separate bills further as evidenced by contents of many evidence folders full of individual bills. There are the facts. Anything else is almost conjecture. We also know the auction company separated fragments further and found at least 5-6 more serial numbers. We know one of the Ingrams reported to a reporter 'the money came out in clumps, several pieces..',

I seriously doubt anyone will ever get much further than that. Packets? Bundles? Clumps? Packages?  Tina used two of these terms for the "bundles" in the same sentence! (There is one more factoid).

Flyjack's distinctions are artificial. No basis in fact. Why? Flyjack has built a skeleton he can stick anything to he wants down the road, as fits his future needs then. His socalled theory is not a theory but the facade of a theory he can add to and change, as per his needs - he plans to be at this for at least five more years as per his progress on his suspect!  Its a work in progress. That is why he wont state it! It does not exist and maybe never will ... but what he has done is pave the road for thousands of more posts using it ... that is all that matters to Flyjack!

Same baseless and false accusations.. get a new script,,

Amazing you accuse others of not using facts and evidence while you make accusations with no facts and evidence.. PROJECTION

has the extra serial numbers been calculated already, or did they miss them all together in the count of $5800. it was almost 3 dozen numbers..35 all together...$700

Is $200 that would equal $6,000 (3 packets) missing, degraded or was it not bundled in 100's.

why would they say it's possible 4 bundles were found that's $8,000 if they bundled 100s?

Is Carr wrong when he said they bundled them in $500 and some $1,000 etc. (not sure on amount) or was he making it up?

Yes, Carr spoke and commented on what the bank said but you can't say he didn't read anything from the 302's unless you have them all and can verify nothing was mentioned about the amounts?

WE can't account for all the serial numbers because we don't have the micro with the original order. The only list was curated and re-ordered by the FBI.

There were early reports guessing at the amounts and number of packets, but everyone has accepted 3 "packets" of 100.. in order. Brian claimed 3 "bundles" and he also used the term "packet" later.

A 302 is an interview and summary, that doesn't tell you how many bills in a packet. No 302 has this info. The FBI has correspondence with the Bank about packets in $20x100 =$2000 Tosaw confirmed this and others.

Carr was wrong when he stated $500 per packet (bundle) etc... because he was assuming based on the claim from the Bank employee that the bundles were randomized/resized..

Forget about terminology or paper/rubber bands..
If TBAR wasn't randomized/resized (in either paper or rubber bands) then WHY if the Bank employee randomized/resized the "bundles". Answer, he didn't, he randomized/resized the bundle of packets and that means they were rubber banded as a single bundle. That is the only logical explanation consistent with all the evidence.

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has the extra serial numbers been calculated already, or did they miss them all together in the count of $5800. it was almost 3 dozen numbers..35 all together...$700

Is $200 that would equal $6,000 (3 packets) missing, degraded or was it not bundled in 100's.

why would they say it's possible 4 bundles were found that's $8,000 if they bundled 100s?

Is Carr wrong when he said they bundled them in $500 and some $1,000 etc. (not sure on amount) or was he making it up?

Yes, Carr spoke and commented on what the bank said but you can't say he didn't read anything from the 302's unless you have them all and can verify nothing was mentioned about the amounts?

WE can't account for all the serial numbers because we don't have the micro with the original order. The only list was curated and re-ordered by the FBI.

There were early reports guessing at the amounts and number of packets, but everyone has accepted 3 "packets" of 100.. in order. Brian claimed 3 "bundles" and he also used the term "packet" later.

A 302 is an interview and summary, that doesn't tell you how many bills in a packet. No 302 has this info. The FBI has correspondence with the Bank about packets in $20x100 =$2000 Tosaw confirmed this and others.

Carr was wrong when he stated $500 per packet (bundle) etc... because he was assuming based on the claim from the Bank employee that the bundles were randomized/resized..

Forget about terminology or paper/rubber bands..
If TBAR wasn't randomized/resized (in either paper or rubber bands) then WHY if the Bank employee randomized/resized the "bundles". Answer, he didn't, he randomized/resized the bundle of packets and that means they were rubber banded as a single bundle. That is the only logical explanation consistent with all the evidence.

Brian claimed 3 "bundles" and he also used the term "packet" later.

Was Brian an expert on banking terms too? When did he become an expert? What age? 8, 10, 12, 42?   

When and why did Brian evolve from "bundle" to "packet"? Did Brian ever backslide back to "bundle"?

how many bundles in a packet ?

Since one poster claims these are formal banking terms - recognised universally in all bank - I asked Google. Google seized up and froze! Google does not recognise the question! I tried many combinations and permutations all related to banking - Google could not return any relevant answer to what should be an easy question related to banking! I wonder why?

Google finally chucked out the following:

"Asphalt shingles are typically packaged with this in mind, but if a package of shingles covered an entire 100 square foot square, it would be too heavy to handle. So, most popular shingles are sold such that three bundles are needed to cover one square of roof area."

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A 302 is an interview and summary, that doesn't tell you how many bills in a packet. No 302 has this info.

the 302's are what the case is based from...you can't speak with authority telling this board what is or isn't in the 302's...do you have them all? where did you read about the bank information, 302's possibly?

you tell this board to forget about "paper/rubber bands" and start the paragraph using the term you said to forget?

I've told you it's possible they did bundle multiple "packets" but based on things I've read more information needs to be found.

Unless I am mistaken, I think different people were simply using different terms ... for the same thing. The bundles of money given Cooper. Some call them packets, some say packages, some packets, and some bundles.

In several documents we have Tina or someone else using two terms for the same thing, in the same long sentences. Quite obviously they are referring to the same thing in all instances, but using different words. One person even uses the word "wad" of money, referring to the bundles! Is "wad" a formal banking term? Of course not ...

I'm sure nobody was bank trained during the investigation...Fly is more focused on what they bank actually said...

we have a lot of conflicting reports.."only small pieces were found...a fist size clump, a wad of twenties"

did the Ingram's only find 3 grand and the large clump was the final total?

The newspaper quotes it....

one agent at the site said he dug up a formless fist-size clump of money he described "a wadded up bunch of $20 bills"