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The money found in 1980 is confusing through the FBI and the media...

One report states a "a wadded up bunch of $20 bills" or "fist size clump" was found after the Ingram's find..newspaper reports as well as video states $3,000 was found by Brian, not $5,800 even after checking serial numbers...another newspaper stated "one bundle" and Cooper was given several bundles...

do we have enough to claim two separate bundles were found since we have newspaper reports, or was Cooper only given a couple bundles or several as they agent stated? answer, no, with reports all over the board how can anyone come to any conclusions as to what was actually found by Brian or the FBI?

All we know is a good estimate is around $5,800 found, and serial numbers missed in the original estimate in 1980..

Is it possible they put several bundles together, yes..you could also notice a difference in each bundle if they were different amounts when picking through the bag, you would feel the difference...Carr was pretty specific when stating they had different amounts..he had to of read it somewhere in the 302's...this is part of the problem by not having all the facts...

This is similar to Blevins claiming an agent stated the case was closed because Kenny is dead...at about the same time Robert got this news a rumor/joke was floating around the FBI focused on agent Carr. they played a trick on him saying the case was closed..it's possible they used Kenny in this joke and this could of been taken seriously by other agents not involved or a joke that turned into fact over night..the agent who made the claim could of been feeding off of this joke..

The serial numbers on the bills were checked against the inventory list given the FBI by the bank. That inventory list had stop and start marks for each "bundle" assembled and rubber banded by bank employee Baker and this allowed the FBI to determine that the Ingram find represented basically three bundles assembled and banded by Baker, and the serial numbers in each bundle were still in the same order as when bundled and bagged and given to be delivered to Cooper.

So far as I know, the fact that different people have used different terms to refer to the 'bundles' as packages or packets or groups or bundles or whatever ... is merely an artifact of language and has nothing to do with how Baker assembled the money and what was given to Cooper. The fact of that is demonstrated by the fact that Tina, for example, using the terms "small packages" and "bundles" all within the same sentence for describing the same thing, namely the groups of assembled bills each rubber banded that were in the bag she brought in and gave to Cooper!

Flyjack's contentions are invented nonsense in this whole matter, as far as I can tell. Flyjack has no real evidence for anything he says!   

"invented nonsense" Ridicule and false accusations are NOT actually an argument... Clearly, you don't understand the argument.

You continue to try to discredit without addressing the core assertion.

The serial numbers matched the Micro list created long before NORJAK. So, how can (packets) be resized and end up in order and not resized?

Serial numbers were NOT recorded when bagged... the number list was PRE-RECORDED

Bankers do use these terms specifically.. that explains the confusion, it is not necessary for the argument.

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The money found in 1980 is confusing through the FBI and the media...

Carr was pretty specific when stating they had different amounts..he had to of read it somewhere in the 302's...this is part of the problem by not having all the facts...

Carr stated that the TBAR "bundles" were in different amounts from his discussion with the Bank employee.. not from 302's

The Bank employee stated he resized the "bundles",, Carr assumed the Bank employee was referring to the "packets" and got it wrong.

If TBAR "packets" were NOT resized and WERE in order and the Bank employee RESIZED and REBANDED the bundles then he must have resized the "groups of packets" and that means they were banded as one bundle.

I am not claiming this is a fact.. I believe it is more likely than not. More importantly, to ASSUME that the packets ONLY arrived separately restricts the means and analysis by which the money may have arrived.

Have you got a quote Carr where used the terms packets and bundles ?

Or the bank employee? His name is Baker!  Why dont you ever use his name?

Carr used the term "bundle" not packets or packages... and I do have the quote.

You are still dodging the real issue.. TBAR packets (call them bundles if you wish to be inaccurate) were not resized.. How does that happen if the Bank employee resized and re-banded them.

It is a long held assumption that they arrived as independent packets.. not fact.

Evidence and logic contradict that assumption, that is all I am pointing out.

Nobody can reconcile TBAR money in order and not resized AND the Bank employee resizing and re-banding "bundles". Unless he was referring to bundles as groups of packets.. not the individual packets.
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There is no EVIDENCE of anything you are saying - and you have never presented any evidence because no such evidence exists! This whole thing is an artificial construction on your part which contradicts sworn testimony and facts.

If you have ANY evidence present it!  Your appeal to "logic" is utter nonsense. There is no "logic" to anything you are saying. This is a monstrous waste of time!

Blah, blah, blah..  believe what you want.. I have explained it, you just don't get it and can't answer a simple question.

The "Blah, blah, blah." is all yours, sir!

You cited Tina as evidence for your claims.

Explain to me why Tina uses the terms "small packages" and "bundles" all in the same sentence, referring to the same thing, ie. the assembled groups of money in the bag just given to Cooper?

You say Tina was using "formal banking terms used across the whole banking industry"!

I say your claim is utter nonsense. I say Tina was just talking - using common ordinary language!

I say your theory is a straw man. I say you have no real evidence for anything you are saying.

This isn't an issue of "belief". This is an issue of "fact and facts". 

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The money found in 1980 is confusing through the FBI and the media...

Carr was pretty specific when stating they had different amounts..he had to of read it somewhere in the 302's...this is part of the problem by not having all the facts...

Carr stated that the TBAR "bundles" were in different amounts from his discussion with the Bank employee.. not from 302's

The Bank employee stated he resized the "bundles",, Carr assumed the Bank employee was referring to the "packets" and got it wrong.

If TBAR "packets" were NOT resized and WERE in order and the Bank employee RESIZED and REBANDED the bundles then he must have resized the "groups of packets" and that means they were banded as one bundle.

I am not claiming this is a fact.. I believe it is more likely than not. More importantly, to ASSUME that the packets ONLY arrived separately restricts the means and analysis by which the money may have arrived.

Have you got a quote Carr where used the terms packets and bundles ?

Or the bank employee? His name is Baker!  Why dont you ever use his name?

Carr used the term "bundle" not packets or packages... and I do have the quote.

You are still dodging the real issue.. TBAR packets (call them bundles if you wish to be inaccurate) were not resized.. How does that happen if the Bank employee resized and re-banded them.

It is a long held assumption that they arrived as independent packets.. not fact.

Evidence and logic contradict that assumption, that is all I am pointing out.

Nobody can reconcile TBAR money in order and not resized AND the Bank employee resizing and re-banding "bundles". Unless he was referring to bundles as groups of packets.. not the individual packets.
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There is no EVIDENCE of anything you are saying - and you have never presented any evidence because no such evidence exists! This whole thing is an artificial construction on your part which contradicts sworn testimony and facts.

If you have ANY evidence present it!  Your appeal to "logic" is utter nonsense. There is no "logic" to anything you are saying. This is a monstrous waste of time!

Blah, blah, blah..  believe what you want.. I have explained it, you just don't get it and can't answer a simple question.

The "Blah, blah, blah." is all yours, sir!

You cited Tina as evidence for your claims.

Explain to me why Tina uses the terms "small packages" and "bundles" all in the same sentence, referring to the same thing, ie. the assembled groups of money in the bag just given to Cooper?

You say Tina was using "formal banking terms used across the whole banking industry"!

I say your claim is utter nonsense. I say Tina was just talking - using common ordinary language!

I say your theory is a straw man. I say you have no real evidence for anything you are saying.

This isn't an issue of "belief". This is an issue of "fact and facts".

Again, you prove that you have no clue.. Tina has ZERO to do with this.. a straw-stewardess

You fail to understand the issue... and resort to baseless and false accusations and contextually incoherent arguments.

Stay in your little bubble.. you still can't reconcile the TBAR money.

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The money found in 1980 is confusing through the FBI and the media...

Carr was pretty specific when stating they had different amounts..he had to of read it somewhere in the 302's...this is part of the problem by not having all the facts...

Carr stated that the TBAR "bundles" were in different amounts from his discussion with the Bank employee.. not from 302's

The Bank employee stated he resized the "bundles",, Carr assumed the Bank employee was referring to the "packets" and got it wrong.

If TBAR "packets" were NOT resized and WERE in order and the Bank employee RESIZED and REBANDED the bundles then he must have resized the "groups of packets" and that means they were banded as one bundle.

I am not claiming this is a fact.. I believe it is more likely than not. More importantly, to ASSUME that the packets ONLY arrived separately restricts the means and analysis by which the money may have arrived.

Have you got a quote Carr where used the terms packets and bundles ?

Or the bank employee? His name is Baker!  Why dont you ever use his name?

Carr used the term "bundle" not packets or packages... and I do have the quote.

You are still dodging the real issue.. TBAR packets (call them bundles if you wish to be inaccurate) were not resized.. How does that happen if the Bank employee resized and re-banded them.

It is a long held assumption that they arrived as independent packets.. not fact.

Evidence and logic contradict that assumption, that is all I am pointing out.

Nobody can reconcile TBAR money in order and not resized AND the Bank employee resizing and re-banding "bundles". Unless he was referring to bundles as groups of packets.. not the individual packets.
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There is no EVIDENCE of anything you are saying - and you have never presented any evidence because no such evidence exists! This whole thing is an artificial construction on your part which contradicts sworn testimony and facts.

If you have ANY evidence present it!  Your appeal to "logic" is utter nonsense. There is no "logic" to anything you are saying. This is a monstrous waste of time!

Blah, blah, blah..  believe what you want.. I have explained it, you just don't get it and can't answer a simple question.

The "Blah, blah, blah." is all yours, sir!

You cited Tina as evidence for your claims.

Explain to me why Tina uses the terms "small packages" and "bundles" all in the same sentence, referring to the same thing, ie. the assembled groups of money in the bag just given to Cooper?

You say Tina was using "formal banking terms used across the whole banking industry"!

I say your claim is utter nonsense. I say Tina was just talking - using common ordinary language!

I say your theory is a straw man. I say you have no real evidence for anything you are saying.

This isn't an issue of "belief". This is an issue of "fact and facts".

Again, you prove that you have no clue.. Tina has ZERO to do with this.. a straw-stewardess

You fail to understand the issue... and resort to baseless and false accusations and contextually incoherent arguments.

Stay in your little bubble.. you still can't reconcile the TBAR money.

reconcile what! ?

what are we failing to reconcile? Can you state it is simple understandable terms?

I have already stated it many times...  you just don't read or give a shit.

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The money found in 1980 is confusing through the FBI and the media...

Carr was pretty specific when stating they had different amounts..he had to of read it somewhere in the 302's...this is part of the problem by not having all the facts...

Carr stated that the TBAR "bundles" were in different amounts from his discussion with the Bank employee.. not from 302's

The Bank employee stated he resized the "bundles",, Carr assumed the Bank employee was referring to the "packets" and got it wrong.

If TBAR "packets" were NOT resized and WERE in order and the Bank employee RESIZED and REBANDED the bundles then he must have resized the "groups of packets" and that means they were banded as one bundle.

I am not claiming this is a fact.. I believe it is more likely than not. More importantly, to ASSUME that the packets ONLY arrived separately restricts the means and analysis by which the money may have arrived.

Have you got a quote Carr where used the terms packets and bundles ?

Or the bank employee? His name is Baker!  Why dont you ever use his name?

Carr used the term "bundle" not packets or packages... and I do have the quote.

You are still dodging the real issue.. TBAR packets (call them bundles if you wish to be inaccurate) were not resized.. How does that happen if the Bank employee resized and re-banded them.

It is a long held assumption that they arrived as independent packets.. not fact.

Evidence and logic contradict that assumption, that is all I am pointing out.

Nobody can reconcile TBAR money in order and not resized AND the Bank employee resizing and re-banding "bundles". Unless he was referring to bundles as groups of packets.. not the individual packets.
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There is no EVIDENCE of anything you are saying - and you have never presented any evidence because no such evidence exists! This whole thing is an artificial construction on your part which contradicts sworn testimony and facts.

If you have ANY evidence present it!  Your appeal to "logic" is utter nonsense. There is no "logic" to anything you are saying. This is a monstrous waste of time!

Blah, blah, blah..  believe what you want.. I have explained it, you just don't get it and can't answer a simple question.

The "Blah, blah, blah." is all yours, sir!

You cited Tina as evidence for your claims.

Explain to me why Tina uses the terms "small packages" and "bundles" all in the same sentence, referring to the same thing, ie. the assembled groups of money in the bag just given to Cooper?

You say Tina was using "formal banking terms used across the whole banking industry"!

I say your claim is utter nonsense. I say Tina was just talking - using common ordinary language!

I say your theory is a straw man. I say you have no real evidence for anything you are saying.

This isn't an issue of "belief". This is an issue of "fact and facts".

Again, you prove that you have no clue.. Tina has ZERO to do with this.. a straw-stewardess

You fail to understand the issue... and resort to baseless and false accusations and contextually incoherent arguments.

Stay in your little bubble.. you still can't reconcile the TBAR money.

reconcile what! ?

what are we failing to reconcile? Can you state it is simple understandable terms?

I have already stated it many times...  you just don't read or give a shit.

OK - So now we must guess what it is youve said five thousand times but we fail to understand.

That's pretty funny!

Is it bigger than a bread box?

Why is it you are the only person on the planet who sees this?
 

If you can't figure out the question I have POSTED and asked you over and over and over you don't deserve any direction.. It is clear you have an assumption that you have held for 10 years and can't see that is not a fact and may be wrong based on evidence and logic.

I am at the point where I hope you just stay in your bubble... IMO, you have ZERO intellectual honesty.

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I am not claiming this is a fact.. I believe it is more likely than not. More importantly, to ASSUME that the packets ONLY arrived separately restricts the means and analysis by which the money may have arrived.

who claimed they arrived separately? it's my understanding the bills were all stuck together..even the PCGS tells the story of the bills being stuck together " hidden in layers of notes and note fragments stuck together for decades" what proof is there that they were separate when they arrived on T-Bar?

Brian stated at one point the bills were "petrified"

I believe Carr's mistake was thinking paper bands were on the bills..

no, I meant the 3 packets were separate,, not bills,, everything is consistent

and Carr did initially think there were paper bands then talked to the Bank employee who claimed he randomized/resized and rubber banded the bundles..

Carr then believed that the 3 TBAR packets (he used term bundles) were different sizes/counts, this was wrong. Carr mistakenly believed the "bundles" referred to by the Bank employee was the "packets". It wasn't. It couldn't be because they were uniform 100's and in order matching pre-recorded numbers.

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I am not claiming this is a fact.. I believe it is more likely than not. More importantly, to ASSUME that the packets ONLY arrived separately restricts the means and analysis by which the money may have arrived.

who claimed they arrived separately? it's my understanding the bills were all stuck together..even the PCGS tells the story of the bills being stuck together " hidden in layers of notes and note fragments stuck together for decades" what proof is there that they were separate when they arrived on T-Bar?

Brian stated at one point the bills were "petrified"

I believe Carr's mistake was thinking paper bands were on the bills..

Whatever state the money was in, is lost to history and contradictory accounts given by different parties. Larry finally posted "no the bills were not 'cemented' together". I guess that means not "stuck" together, but who knows? The Ingrams did separate the money into these groups shown at turn in time - the Lab was able to separate bills further as evidenced by contents of many evidence folders full of individual bills. There are the facts. Anything else is almost conjecture. We also know the auction company separated fragments further and found at least 5-6 more serial numbers. We know one of the Ingrams reported to a reporter 'the money came out in clumps, several pieces..',

I seriously doubt anyone will ever get much further than that. Packets? Bundles? Clumps? Packages?  Tina used two of these terms for the "bundles" in the same sentence! (There is one more factoid).

Flyjack's distinctions are artificial. No basis in fact. Why? Flyjack has built a skeleton he can stick anything to he wants down the road, as fits his future needs then. His socalled theory is not a theory but the facade of a theory he can add to and change, as per his needs - he plans to be at this for at least five more years as per his progress on his suspect!  Its a work in progress. That is why he wont state it! It does not exist and maybe never will ... but what he has done is pave the road for thousands of more posts using it ... that is all that matters to Flyjack!

 
 

has the extra serial numbers been calculated already, or did they miss them all together in the count of $5800. it was almost 3 dozen numbers..35 all together...$700

Is $200 that would equal $6,000 (3 packets) missing, degraded or was it not bundled in 100's.

why would they say it's possible 4 bundles were found that's $8,000 if they bundled 100s?

Is Carr wrong when he said they bundled them in $500 and some $1,000 etc. (not sure on amount) or was he making it up?

Yes, Carr spoke and commented on what the bank said but you can't say he didn't read anything from the 302's unless you have them all and can verify nothing was mentioned about the amounts?