Well, if we're gonna go into Fantasy Land, I'd like to bring back my original hypothesis from 2008. Back then I said that one possibility for T-Bar is that it is the site for rituals run by the MKULTRA people, particularly for those involved in the DB Cooper case.

In case you don't remember - although I remember Georger's blistering rebuttals - I posed that MKULTRA groomed a bunch of folks who truly believe they are DB Cooper, like Duane Weber and Barb Dayton, then added in those individuals whom others are convinced are DBC, like LD Cooper, Richard MC Coy, and now Fred Hahneman. Plus, Ted Braden came from SOG, and probably Airborne Bob, was added, too. Don't forget Ol' Walt, the Wrecka-Reca. He probably was a part of the team.

Besides subjecting these guys, and gal, to the usual cocktail of MKULTRA drugs, add in behavioral conditioning programs, which would include digging a spot at T-Bar and burying some NORJAK twenties. Of course, some guys had to chop a few twenties into itsy-bitsy pieces and bury them 1-3 feet deep over a stretch of sand about 40 feet long - but hey, this is all done on the government's nickel. What's a little extra over-time when the payoff is that you have a dozen individuals who deeply believe they stole an airplane and made it successfully to the ground? What wouldn't they be willing to do the next time the Guvment came knocking. Even walking around Cle Elum in the rain on a chilly November night! Besides, look at all the free passports and foreign IDs you could collect!

I didn't mean to send everyone off in to la-la land with wild theories. Although we did find georger should be a poet and Bruce has a fascination with gov't messing with our heads. My point was...the only thing the evidence gives us is more questions, which highly suggests, to me at least,  human intervention. So you have no choice, with the money find, but to take a random guess follow it and see where it leads. Or consider it tainted and ignore it completely .

I have 3 TBAR theories, none require moving the flightpath and none point to any specific suspect.

1.) Money was discarded 1976-78, not planted and not by Cooper. It would be one of 3 specific persons.

2.) Cooper jumped over the Willamette Valley, the money was lost into the Willamette River. This requires Cooper to have returned into the plane to produce the first "pressure bump" and the crew to have missed a second one. What is interesting is that the plane followed close to Willamette for some time, just going by probability it is the "highest" upstream source. If Cooper knew the PNW, the Willamette Valley would be the best LZ.

3.) Cooper lost the money/container into Merwyn/Lewis River. It was washed down into the Columbia River, Clamshell dredge and barges moved the money up to Sauvie Island in 1976/77 for a massive erosion mediation project just upstream of TBAR. Constant erosion broke it loose and it crossed to TBAR..

Georger - Do you see any way that the shards we saw on the video could be present if the money was buried at Tena Bar by human hands?

Lots of theories but no facts. Not even a factoid! 

After all of these years meditating/speculating about this sand bar, we still dont have one documented example of how one single thing actually did get on Tina Bar, the route it took, its original starting point, and the currents or hydrological mechanics involved! Not one simple case! We know stuff winds up on Tina Bar - we can see that - but how does it wind up on Tina Bar. Give us one specific example!

All we have is JT's famous LIE that he released 8 ping pong balls in the Washougal and all eight wound up on Tina Bar! No photos. No nuthing.

But we have plenty of people claiming/speculating the money *floated across the river, *floated up the river, *was forced backwards up the river with reverse tides, was propellered backwards up to Tina Bar and released (The famous Tom Kaye theory)..... ad nauseum.

And a partridge in a pear tree too. If someone is going posit a theory at least tell us how it works! 

The reason most people vote for the Dredge Theory is because it gives us a specific mechanism that people can understand and accept. Every other theory fails that test and asks us to believe a bunch of things that simply are not true!.

Georger,

I respect that you have your beliefs about the money and the shards, and I want to understand what you do. However, I come into this with different suspicions that you. I can see no way that wave/current activity would select one relatively small stretch on only one side of a river to deposit various-sized pieces of broken money being transported from one specific spot upstream.

For that reason, I feel as though the shards had to be distributed by a more common method. The people with the metal detectors here at our beach usually come out when the crowds leave because it is always the human beings that deposit valuables under the sand.

I also have oodles of respect for the FBI and do not want to badmouth them in any way. I think those agents on the beach were DOING THEIR JOBS, and they had no way of knowing that we would be scrutinizing their every footstep decades later. So it does not feel good when I read that my theory reached some of those agents. I want them to feel supported, not attacked. But I still do believe, despite the defensive reply to your question of contamination, that the most likely way the shards were spread all over the beach was by the same people who spread the sand all over the beach in the videos.

My theory gives an explanation for the shape of the bills (which differs with yours, I understand). It explains the mass of material missing from the edges (a cut) plus the slow rate of deterioration that TK has documented in his experiments (subsequent decomposition). It explains motive for burial (disposal) without necessitating a "plant." It explains why only the money and no additional Cooper evidence was found, ie. bag, harness, corpse, etc. It explains the shard concentration around the Ingram find, and the distribution to a depth of 3 feet.

I realize that you disagree with this vehemently, so I would like to ask you to please dismantle my theory with logic in a way that will change my mind. (I hope you will not mention aliens or cow mutilations in your response.)

Respectfully,

Brian

P.S. - please allow me to respond with clarifications if there is anything you don't recall about the "raised notes" theory I posted about in January.

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Lots of theories but no facts. Not even a factoid! 

After all of these years meditating/speculating about this sand bar, we still dont have one documented example of how one single thing actually did get on Tina Bar, the route it took, its original starting point, and the currents or hydrological mechanics involved! Not one simple case! We know stuff winds up on Tina Bar - we can see that - but how does it wind up on Tina Bar. Give us one specific example!

All we have is JT's famous LIE that he released 8 ping pong balls in the Washougal and all eight wound up on Tina Bar! No photos. No nuthing.

But we have plenty of people claiming/speculating the money *floated across the river, *floated up the river, *was forced backwards up the river with reverse tides, was propellered backwards up to Tina Bar and released (The famous Tom Kaye theory)..... ad nauseum.

And a partridge in a pear tree too. If someone is going posit a theory at least tell us how it works! 

The reason most people vote for the Dredge Theory is because it gives us a specific mechanism that people can understand and accept. Every other theory fails that test and asks us to believe a bunch of things that simply are not true!.

Georger,

I respect that you have your beliefs about the money and the shards, and I want to understand what you do. However, I come into this with different suspicions that you. I can see no way that wave/current activity would select one relatively small stretch on only one side of a river to deposit various-sized pieces of broken money being transported from one specific spot upstream.

For that reason, I feel as though the shards had to be distributed by a more common method. The people with the metal detectors here at our beach usually come out when the crowds leave because it is always the human beings that deposit valuables under the sand.

I also have oodles of respect for the FBI and do not want to badmouth them in any way. I think those agents on the beach were DOING THEIR JOBS, and they had no way of knowing that we would be scrutinizing their every footstep decades later. So it does not feel good when I read that my theory reached some of those agents. I want them to feel supported, not attacked. But I still do believe, despite the defensive reply to your question of contamination, that the most likely way the shards were spread all over the beach was by the same people who spread the sand all over the beach in the videos.

My theory gives an explanation for the shape of the bills (which differs with yours, I understand). It explains the mass of material missing from the edges (a cut) plus the slow rate of deterioration that TK has documented in his experiments (subsequent decomposition). It explains motive for burial (disposal) without necessitating a "plant." It explains why only the money and no additional Cooper evidence was found, ie. bag, harness, corpse, etc. It explains the shard concentration around the Ingram find, and the distribution to a depth of 3 feet.

I realize that you disagree with this vehemently, so I would like to ask you to please dismantle my theory with logic in a way that will change my mind. (I hope you will not mention aliens or cow mutilations in your response.)

Respectfully,

Brian

P.S. - please allow me to respond with clarifications if there is anything you don't recall about the "raised notes" theory I posted about in January.

I can hardly comment to this except to say I dont see any evidence of corners being cut from bills .... and I doubt Tom does either.

I dont know anything about raised notes, or about contamination by shoes at T_Bar. I asked Dorwin and Steve about possible contamination by agents at the excavation and they turned thumbs down on that idea. Thats all I can say. 

You tell me from this photo of the bills just turned in minutes earlier by the Ingrams, where corner cuts are?  It is well known that objects in a flow tend to get rounded at the ends and corners - it is due primarily to the atomic makeup of matter and how erosion works on exposed surfaces. 

Yup, the current is strong. I got a little scared one day when I was swimming at T-Bar. and was concerned that I might get carried too far from shore for my comfort. I wasn't sure how many swirls and eddies there might be.

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Yup, the current is strong. I got a little scared one day when I was swimming at T-Bar. and was concerned that I might get carried too far from shore for my comfort. I wasn't sure how many swirls and eddies there might be.

Current isn't constant, it changes dramatically with flow volumes..

This is a rubber banded "bundle" it was in a jar that filled with water, so water damage only. That is a rusted paper clip attached. It is torqued and distorted...   Add the abrasion from sand/waves/movement... to compare to TBAR

Another note, TBAR was likely a wet/dry cycling environment.. the edges would dry first.

This is a photo from the web: US Treasury Mutilated Money Lab - sent in for replacement. This specimen has a different history than Cooper bills. 

The Cooper bills show a very specific history; a history so specific that it would be impossible for anyone to duplicate - a history so specific no plant theory can account for. Its that simple.