You stated in the past how easy the money could move 10 miles backwards, so that also applies here!

YES, I pointed out the fact that there is backflow in the Columbia up and beyond TBAR with examples. You denied it as a fact.

The huge Sauvie Island erosion operation used dredge material from all up and down the Columbia.

You seem to confuse facts with theories/conclusions and think I have some crazy agenda.. I can investigate competing theories simultaneously. IMO, the most likely scenario is he died in the jump, if so finding a body out there will be the only resolution. I can't do that but I can explore the other possibilities.

once again, you are assuming WAY too much...I never said reverse flow never occurs, I don't believe the theory of it moving the money 10 miles backwards....

a theory can not be confused with a fact...the fact is, I don't believe in these theories...very simple, and my conclusion..

I also don't believe it can crawl up the banks either..sounds like they don't have any problems with garbage on the riverbed, it all comes right back up?

You attack people for not believing in your theories..crying, mockery..I simply disagree and still get the third degree. that's the problem others have with you..you have every right to post a theory, pushing people into believing it is not going to work..you don't see me asking others why they don't believe the dredge had anything to do with it, or asking them if they have the answer? NOBODY does...I'm not going to push the theory onto people because it's a theory...they don't believe, then so be it...once again, it's very simple...

I'm not going to go back and forth with you on this matter...

River current can push suspended debri up onto the shore from any depth.

If you reject the theory based on this, you are flat out wrong. There may be other reasons though.

one can state a body doesn't always float in the water...so Cooper had to have went into the river, right? it's a fact.

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I'm not fully convinced the dredge has nothing to do with this...it's very suspect that the sand from the river was placed right on the crime scene and many just wash it off?

lots of problems with how the sand was spread...the Fazio's claim 50 yards each way, but then Palmer finds plenty of dredge layer 150 yards down the beach? the FBI claim the pump would destroy the money, while pump companies told me the opposite?

off to the store.....

and I am close behind (or with) you@! If nothing else, the Ingram find occurred right in the "dredging zone" and that is a simple undeniable fact. My major problem again, is how did Cooper money come to this area of the Columbia to be dredged up, in the first place! Especially if Cooper bailed near Ariel?

This IS the major problem with the Tina/Tena bar discussion. But my main concerns are who Cooper was and whether he lived or died. I'm not sure even "solving" T-Bar would go far to answering that. Identifying Cooper, though, could go fill in the missing pieces of the T-Bar puzzle. Who he was tells us - most likely - whether he was a no-pull or not. Any T-Bar theories proceed from there.

"Planting" theories I have a major problem with, namely that Cooper was better off with the FBI thinking he was dead, which they increasingly did. A plant would prove conclusively he wasn't. It would be an idiot move.

Temporary burial would beg the question of why Cooper would then have waited 7 years to retrieve it. (This could be partially explained if, say, when DB returned only the T-Bar money later found was damaged beyond use and discarded. This, in turn, would still NOT explain why most of the damage seems to have occurred years after the skyjacking.)

Counterfeiting theories would beg the question of why someone so adept at research (few are experts in all the fields of knowledge required for Cooper to get to the jump moment successfully - FBI approaches to skyjacking, the location of objects on aircraft generally known only to crew, the details of at least the military versions of the 727, rejection of instructions for parachuting, etc) would fail to look into the chances of common spending of a marked bill resulting in an arrest. Which are basically nil, while getting busted on a half-ass counterfeiting job would seem more possible.

Talk of missing shards beyond the smaller number than expected presented to the CS still does not account for most of the money. $200,000 would be a crazy number of shards. However much was actually found, it wasn't anything like the amount Cooper jumped with.

Complete outdoor exposure since the day of the jump doesn't account for the then relatively good condition of the bills, nor does water account for the compression.

For such a huge discovery, that T-Bar money has proven the least useful clue in the whole history of clues. Don't see that changing anytime soon. Even if all the money turned up in the woods, without a body or any of the other items, it still wouldn't tell us about the fate or identity of Cooper.

Doubtful anything we have about money will lead to Cooper. For Cooper you need prints, dna, and other personal info.  We can't even nail down how the money got to Tina Bar.

You stated in the past how easy the money could move 10 miles backwards, so that also applies here!

If you recall we asked Galen's hydrologist/geologist about the reverse flow theory. I backed that up with a USGS hydrologist. The consensus from all sources about reverse flow to Tina Bar from the Lewis was: "does not happen - distance too far - no strength at that distance .... etc". This was previously posted.

Nothing more to be said about these speculations.

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You stated in the past how easy the money could move 10 miles backwards, so that also applies here!

If you recall we asked Galen's hydrologist/geologist about the reverse flow theory. I backed that up with a USGS hydrologist. The consensus from all sources about reverse flow to Tina Bar from the Lewis was: "does not happen - distance too far - no strength at that distance .... etc". This was previously posted.

Nothing more to be said about these speculations.

You were going give us more info from the hydrologist but never did.

So, we reject the hypothesis based on a third hand opinion from a single hydrologist, doesn't seem very "scientific". Does it..

where do we draw the line with the transcripts and timing?

the transcripts state 19 miles DME about 7 minutes into the flight..my simulator does the same...I arrive at the Toledo/Carlson field at around 7:59-8:00 which is consistent with the map..I cross the Lewis river close to the time frame on the map?

I realize you are miles ahead of me with aviation, but I'm having trouble believing the military, and the airlines are completely wrong, or we have a major cover-up right out of the gate...they put a lot of time and effort into a map for show, a map nobody seen for decades?

The two DME distances given in the first several minutes are as the airliner flies from the SEATAC airport.  The Seattle VORTAC is located on the south end of the airport and between the two parallel runways that existed in 1971.  Two distances are given and recorded by ARINC teletype messages.  Since the ARINC phone patch was up and operating when the airliner took off, we also have the phone patch times for those messages having been received by the ARINC station from the airliner.

The short teletype messages were sent two minutes after they were received by the ARINC station by radio from the airliner.  In the case of the 8:18 PM time, the teletype message was sent at 8:22 PM.  This means that this message took four minutes from the time it was received by phone (8:18 PM) for it to be processed and sent at 8:22 PM.  Perhaps the operators had other messages to send first or maybe it was longer than the previous messages.

You need to carefully compare the George Harrison papers to determine which times are based on the actual phone patch times, and/or which times were taken from later teletype printouts.

But at 8:18 PM, the airliner was stated to be at 23 DME miles south of the present day Battleground VORTAC.

On the flight south from SEATAC, the airliner reported reaching 10,000 feet at 7:53.6 PM which is embedded in the radio transcripts.  This means that the airliner was approximately five miles north of the Malay Intersection when it reached that altitude.

All of this is discussed to death in posts 2 and 3 on the thread "NWA 305 Flight Path Analysis - Revisited [Part 1]" on this site.   

I don't know if this has been mentioned to anyone or not, but on Colberts site (dbcooper.com) there is a video called "DB Cooper Escape Story". That video contains a large portion of the KATU video showing the small pieces of Cooper money that was found. So if anyone missed that video when it was up on youtube, you can see part of it - including the shards - on Colberts site. It starts at the 7:38 mark.