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Again, this is not confirmed, but this is 3 photo's into one from 1968, 1974, and 1978. If they are correct it shows the 1974 photo prior to the dredging.

Question.  Can you place this photo on a larger photo of Tina Bar? Is north on the left with south on the right?

I see two areas on the grid being worked. I think I see the curve in the road at top just left of center with car parked to the right ?

Yes, north is to the left in the photo. the road you see in the angled road leading to the beach on the overhead maps. the extreme right bottom of the photo would be close to where the northern tip of the spoil would have been. I'm guessing the the tree where several people are digging would most likely be where the briefcase is shown in another photo. it has a slight tilt to it similar to the one in the photo.

I would like to point out that these photo's are from a video that NMIwrecks found. he needs to be credited for this....

Compare this picture with the one labeled "You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login" that I downloaded from a Shutter post on 11-26-2014.

They are both aerial pictures and appear to have been taken within minutes of each other based on the number of people on the beach and the length of the shadows of those people.  The time appears to have been a few minutes before sunset and probably within two or three days of the money find.

Perhaps an interested student of astronomy can pin down the exact direction the shadows are pointing from the above information.  But Shutter is correct in that North is to the left in Georger's picture.  North is to the top of the picture I have referenced above. 

While the center of the river is angled to about 2 degrees east of North at Tina Bar, the river shore line has a lot of twists and curves so caution should be used in stating the direction of the water's edge.

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Again, this is not confirmed, but this is 3 photo's into one from 1968, 1974, and 1978. If they are correct it shows the 1974 photo prior to the dredging.

Question.  Can you place this photo on a larger photo of Tina Bar? Is north on the left with south on the right?

I see two areas on the grid being worked. I think I see the curve in the road at top just left of center with car parked to the right ?

Yes, north is to the left in the photo. the road you see in the angled road leading to the beach on the overhead maps. the extreme right bottom of the photo would be close to where the northern tip of the spoil would have been. I'm guessing the the tree where several people are digging would most likely be where the briefcase is shown in another photo. it has a slight tilt to it similar to the one in the photo.

I would like to point out that these photo's are from a video that NMIwrecks found. he needs to be credited for this....

Compare this picture with the one labeled "You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login" that I downloaded from a Shutter post on 11-26-2014.

They are both aerial pictures and appear to have been taken within minutes of each other based on the number of people on the beach and the length of the shadows of those people.  The time appears to have been a few minutes before sunset and probably within two or three days of the money find.

Perhaps an interested student of astronomy can pin down the exact direction the shadows are pointing from the above information.  But Shutter is correct in that North is to the left in Georger's picture.  North is to the top of the picture I have referenced above. 

While the center of the river is angled to about 2 degrees east of North at Tina Bar, the river shore line has a lot of twists and curves so caution should be used in stating the direction of the water's edge.

I have no idea what is north or south in these photos so placement of the dials is haphazard. It looks like it's past 2:00pm. Two sections within the grid seem to be being worked. That's a little puzzling. Nothing being worked in between. I wonder which grid is the Ingram find? My guess is the left grid (in original photo). I dont see a backhoe there yet? My guess is this photo is on the afternoon of the first day, or possibly the second before Palmer was there?

I just find it strange two separate grids are being worked with nothing in between?  It looks like a small area left of (on the downstream side of) A has also been partially dug up, or raked?

Maybe B is at the center of the dredge pile.  Maybe to check if money could be found associated more directly with dredge spoils?

I think you're referring to the area up next to the bush or tree?  We've seen pix taken of hole digging and screening up next to some kind of folliage (including one taken from under the folliage).

I don't think "B" is Palmer's trench. all of the activity is around "A". if you look at the black & white photo it appears a guy is in the trench ? he is lower than everyone around him. also the tree closest to the water can be seen in the background.

North & south is easy to figure out with the river included. water on the left, it's looking north. water on the right, south.

As for the new 74 photo. some things to take into consideration.

1) the original 74 photo is late September.
2) The spoils are easily seen.
3) The new 74 photo. could a flood occur after September? I'm not familiar with the seasons over there?
4) Dredging was from August 19-25.

Another good tool on the Clark County site is a measuring tool. you click once to start the mark, and then double click to finish. it will then calculate everything. If screenshot example is needed, just let me know 

Timeline for Tena Bar Dig

SUNDAY Feb 10th
Money found by Ingram family

MONDAY Feb 11th
No information available

TUESDAY Feb 12th
Sifting site
Found fragments under 3 feet of sand in afternoon (Oregonian)
Picture of agents digging up sand on south end half way to beach (Oregonian Wed) Sunny at days end
   
WEDNESDAY Feb 13th
Overcast, no shadows
Backhoe in place
Trench in place
Geologist on scene
Numbered sequence of the bills in the stack still the same (Oregonian)
FBI agent Baker from Portland said bundles were randomized (Oregonian)
“Trench dug 200 ft from site to study layers” (Oregonian Richards thurs)

THURSDAY Feb 14th
FBI calls off search late Thursday

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3) The new 74 photo. could a flood occur after September? I'm not familiar with the seasons over there?

In those days high levels would occur mostly in the fall and winter from rainfall and in early spring from snow melt (sometimes combined with rain).  The river's drainage area is huge, so it includes lots of land of both low and high elevations.

Do you think they will be able to provide info on the photo. proper date, day, and month? 

I guess we can just call...

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Added: I called the number and nobody answered. I then hit zero for the operator and had a Cooper discussion with him  he told me to leave a message, he switched me back over and I left a message along with my number.

Update: Clark County called me back. she couldn't verify the date at the moment. she said she would get back to me with more information tomorrow.

Update2: Debbie called me back from Clark County. the photo was taken May 5, 1974 Verified....

Now we have a confirmed date of May 5, 1974. I'll have Georger, or someone else help confirm any flooding during this period. the PDF chart I have shows high levels June 22, 1974 at 21.10 feet. the normal level is 16 feet. I think more sand was spread around than history has shown IMHO. the water level in May of 74 is right at the money hole.

Water up to the money wouldn't even be considered flooding.  Probably rather common high water level.  Remember that G. posted a graphic showing water levels at the Vancouver gage station over time.  About the sand spreading, it would not surprise me at all to find (if it were possible to find) that the Fazios spread some sand from out of their big "sandbox" (pile) after '74.   What they received into their pile could have come from afar on the river.

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Now we have a confirmed date of May 5, 1974. I'll have Georger, or someone else help confirm any flooding during this period. the PDF chart I have shows high levels June 22, 1974 at 21.10 feet. the normal level is 16 feet. I think more sand was spread around than history has shown IMHO. the water level in May of 74 is right at the money hole.

Water up to the money wouldn't even be considered flooding.  Probably rather common high water level.  Remember that G. posted a graphic showing water levels at the Vancouver gage station over time.  About the sand spreading, it would not surprise me at all to find (if it were possible to find) that the Fazios spread some sand from out of their big "sandbox" (pile) after '74.   What they received into their pile could have come from afar on the river.

Supposedly the money was found 60 feet from the waterline. that's a rater large amount of coverage to reach?
Also when looking through the years, it's about the same spot where the erosion stops. a pattern if you will.

The USA Corps of Engineers water levels at the Vancouver gage are given as 14.3 feet on May 5, 1974 and 21.00 feet on June 22, 1974.  These agree with Shutter's numbers.  However, the "normal" water level at Tina Bar (in non-flooding conditions) is usually given as about 5 to 7 feet (instead of 16) with less than about a two foot daily fluctuation due to the tidal action from the Pacific.

Based on a guess made from looking at where the FBI agents were digging, they were about another 5+ feet above the river's water level.  So they would have been digging at about the 10-12+ feet level.

Also, it should be noted that the vertical datum for sea level was changed about 1988 and from looking at the USA COE's "gage" readings at Vancouver, it is not very clear (at least to me) how the "gage" readings are adjusted to indicate the present day values in the new vertical datum.  Hopefully, a hydrologist will explain this better.