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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

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Voting closed: August 16, 2016, 09:05:28 AM

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3465 on: July 31, 2017, 12:59:42 AM »
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I just got off the phone with Meyer...a spot has been found so we are gearing up to get the project up and running..a big thanks goes out to Meyer for stepping up and making this possible...this was his third attempt...which seems to be the charm..

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Meyer,

You probably already know this, but the Monday, August 21st, solar eclipse will be total in the Portland/Vancouver area around 10:15 AM.  So be prepared if you expect to be there that day.

Also, when you drive across the Flushing Channel, please note if there is any water in it or has been recently.

I will try another day other than August 21st, thanks.  Columbia River is still higher than usual.  Low tide wasn't all that low but it was manageable, was able to wade around in the water.  R99, refresh my memory about the Flushing Channel.....are you talking about the channel just off the levee from NW Lower River Road as you leave Vancouver Park?  You pointed that out the first time we got together at Tina Bar.  Water is still a bit high for this time of the year, but not too bad.  I will check for sure next trip.

Meyer

As you are driving north on the NW Lower River Toad TOWARD Tina Bar, you come to a 90 degree left turn and head west.  After making that left turn, there is an embankment just south of the road that parallels the road until you get to another 90 degree turn but to the north in this case.  After making this turn to the north, it is essentially a straight road to the marina and the Fazio property.

Now let's back up to the 90 degree left turn mentioned in the first sentence above.  There is a small culvert just south of this left turn that actually crosses the Flushing Channel at that point.  And the east-west embankment mentioned above is actually the north bank (more or less) of the Flushing Channel.  As you drive across the Flushing Channel culvert, there is a small "flap dam" that can be turned up slightly to control the flow of water into Vancouver Lake.

Let me repeat that this culvert across the Flushing Channel is small potatoes and doesn't look like anything other than a normal culvert across what appears to be a small ditch at that point.  But the "ditch" actually goes all the way back to the Columbia River.

I have never seen any water in the Flushing Channel and when we were there in late July of last year, the channel was practically overgrown with brush.  So it may be even harder to see this year if Clark County hasn't cleaned out the channel.

maybe a map is in order? Since most people dont have the faintest idea what you are talking about?

Meyer has got it right above.  But let's try it again using Georger's chart.

This time, let's start at the top and work down.  Find Tina Bar near the top of the map and on the river.  Take the road south from Tina Bar until you come to the left turn where the road heads east.

There is an embankment running east/west just south of, and parallel to, this road.  The Flushing Channel is on the south side of this embankment.  This road then intersects a north/south (more or less) road.  Turning to the right and going south from this intersection, it is only a few hundred feet to the culvert that passes over the Flushing Channel.

The culvert is in the approximate position where the yellow circle (associated with the number 5) blanks out the road.  These yellow circles apparently refer to geographical positions and the associated numbers apparently refer to distance above sea level.

Since the surface of the Columbia River, Vancouver Lake, and the other water levels are normally only about 5 to 7 feet above sea level, the numbers higher than that must apply to land elevations.



R99,

As I think about it....you actually pointed to the very spot when we came back from lunch in Vancouver the first time we met at Tina Bar.  I will check it out thoroughly next trip.  I should be going down soon, in the next couple of weeks.  Georger, the map you provided is fine.  You will notice that the first 90 degree turn, going north, at marker #24, is right next to Vancouver Lake.  The entrance to Vancouver Lake State Park is just north of the road intersection there.  I dropped in there last trip, took a break -- very close to the picnic bench we sat at, R99.  Lots of activity there -- hiking, biking trails, BBQ'ing -- saw lots of people around enjoying themselves.

Meyer
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3466 on: July 31, 2017, 04:00:29 PM »
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I just got off the phone with Meyer...a spot has been found so we are gearing up to get the project up and running..a big thanks goes out to Meyer for stepping up and making this possible...this was his third attempt...which seems to be the charm..

 :bravo:

Meyer,

You probably already know this, but the Monday, August 21st, solar eclipse will be total in the Portland/Vancouver area around 10:15 AM.  So be prepared if you expect to be there that day.

Also, when you drive across the Flushing Channel, please note if there is any water in it or has been recently.

I will try another day other than August 21st, thanks.  Columbia River is still higher than usual.  Low tide wasn't all that low but it was manageable, was able to wade around in the water.  R99, refresh my memory about the Flushing Channel.....are you talking about the channel just off the levee from NW Lower River Road as you leave Vancouver Park?  You pointed that out the first time we got together at Tina Bar.  Water is still a bit high for this time of the year, but not too bad.  I will check for sure next trip.

Meyer

As you are driving north on the NW Lower River Toad TOWARD Tina Bar, you come to a 90 degree left turn and head west.  After making that left turn, there is an embankment just south of the road that parallels the road until you get to another 90 degree turn but to the north in this case.  After making this turn to the north, it is essentially a straight road to the marina and the Fazio property.

Now let's back up to the 90 degree left turn mentioned in the first sentence above.  There is a small culvert just south of this left turn that actually crosses the Flushing Channel at that point.  And the east-west embankment mentioned above is actually the north bank (more or less) of the Flushing Channel.  As you drive across the Flushing Channel culvert, there is a small "flap dam" that can be turned up slightly to control the flow of water into Vancouver Lake.

Let me repeat that this culvert across the Flushing Channel is small potatoes and doesn't look like anything other than a normal culvert across what appears to be a small ditch at that point.  But the "ditch" actually goes all the way back to the Columbia River.

I have never seen any water in the Flushing Channel and when we were there in late July of last year, the channel was practically overgrown with brush.  So it may be even harder to see this year if Clark County hasn't cleaned out the channel.

maybe a map is in order? Since most people dont have the faintest idea what you are talking about?

Meyer has got it right above.  But let's try it again using Georger's chart.

This time, let's start at the top and work down.  Find Tina Bar near the top of the map and on the river.  Take the road south from Tina Bar until you come to the left turn where the road heads east.

There is an embankment running east/west just south of, and parallel to, this road.  The Flushing Channel is on the south side of this embankment.  This road then intersects a north/south (more or less) road.  Turning to the right and going south from this intersection, it is only a few hundred feet to the culvert that passes over the Flushing Channel.

The culvert is in the approximate position where the yellow circle (associated with the number 5) blanks out the road.  These yellow circles apparently refer to geographical positions and the associated numbers apparently refer to distance above sea level.

Since the surface of the Columbia River, Vancouver Lake, and the other water levels are normally only about 5 to 7 feet above sea level, the numbers higher than that must apply to land elevations.



R99,

As I think about it....you actually pointed to the very spot when we came back from lunch in Vancouver the first time we met at Tina Bar.  I will check it out thoroughly next trip.  I should be going down soon, in the next couple of weeks.  Georger, the map you provided is fine.  You will notice that the first 90 degree turn, going north, at marker #24, is right next to Vancouver Lake.  The entrance to Vancouver Lake State Park is just north of the road intersection there.  I dropped in there last trip, took a break -- very close to the picnic bench we sat at, R99.  Lots of activity there -- hiking, biking trails, BBQ'ing -- saw lots of people around enjoying themselves.

Meyer

here is a better map of the area.

An even better map (but too large to post here) is this: No. 18525, 40,000 Columbia River Saint Helens to Vancouver  1988 available at:  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
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« Reply #3467 on: July 31, 2017, 04:03:48 PM »
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« Reply #3468 on: July 31, 2017, 05:05:15 PM »
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This is the best map of all.  The Flushing Channel is clearly indicated on it.
 

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« Reply #3469 on: July 31, 2017, 05:37:29 PM »
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This is the best map of all.  The Flushing Channel is clearly indicated on it.

The full hi res version of that map is 110mb large as a Tiff, so ... let me see what I can do to get a reduced image version; I already provided a link to the pdf version at You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

I may just try for several crops of the image in areas relevant.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3470 on: September 06, 2017, 11:22:37 AM »
I'm still a firm believer that the money found was only there less than a year and it came to be there through a means other than the night of the jump. I base that on the rubber bands being intact but crumbling and it was on top.
Now there is alot of talk of these chard's. Is there any proof or agent/searcher/Palmer/videos/stmts saying the chard's were found at depths below surface depths or closer to the dredge?

I'd be curious to know exactly how deep these chards were if anything is out there that says that, and how many chards were found. 1000's of fragments around could be just from those 3 stacks. To be the rest of the $200k or any other significant portion of it, it'd have to be chards everywhere, everywhere I would think.
 

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« Reply #3471 on: September 06, 2017, 12:49:54 PM »
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I'm still a firm believer that the money found was only there less than a year and it came to be there through a means other than the night of the jump. I base that on the rubber bands being intact but crumbling and it was on top.
Now there is alot of talk of these chard's. Is there any proof or agent/searcher/Palmer/videos/stmts saying the chard's were found at depths below surface depths or closer to the dredge?

I'd be curious to know exactly how deep these chards were if anything is out there that says that, and how many chards were found. 1000's of fragments around could be just from those 3 stacks. To be the rest of the $200k or any other significant portion of it, it'd have to be chards everywhere, everywhere I would think.

Then you dont accept the evidence in front of your eyes, eg KIRO video (interviews. reports .. at the dig).

Do you believe the Earth is round?

Do you believe Nasa went to the Moon?


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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3472 on: September 06, 2017, 12:52:16 PM »
I htink the real wildcard in the money find is the fact it was found on beach. Beaches are funny places. They appear the same day to day but leave and come back in a month and it could be a whole different scenario. I think it coul dbe the reason the money find is so mysterious. We know the money was near the surface, but some suggest that surface has erroded over the years. POsisbly. That really should be, and probably could be, modeled by computer, but you'd have to have very accurate input data, everything from 1971 to 1980 would need to be input, wind speeds, humidity, rains/snows boat traffic, ice (does the columbia get ice on it?) ... storms, special events (dredging, fazios deciding to try a new tractor out on the beach...etc). YOu just might be able to determine exactly when that money was put there with a good amount of certainly.

I really think the rubber bands however are pretty telling on their own, if the experiments the citzen sleuths did shows that bands buried in sand were broke and pieces after a year, their stmt that the money became buried within a year of the skyjacking can't be true.  I think it really has to be the other way around, it was buried there within a year of the 1980 find. They mention erosion, the beach erroded enough to expose the money finally....but there's one huge flaw there, that's fine there's erosion, but how did the money get buried so deep then? Cooper buried it when he landed? Why would he dig so deep, at night, and then only bury $5800? If it was there (on the surface or near it) within a year of the skyjacking it would have eroded to exposure well before the dredge came along and that place was used enough where it would have been found, and the dredge deposits don't seems to have been placed anywhere near where the money was found, which then also makes palmer's assertion that a layer in a trench they dug he claims to be right near the money was found is the dredge layer. . All data seems to point to the money ending up there within a year of the 1980 find.
 

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« Reply #3473 on: September 06, 2017, 12:55:22 PM »
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I htink the real wildcard in the money find is the fact it was found on beach. Beaches are funny places. They appear the same day to day but leave and come back in a month and it could be a whole different scenario. I think it coul dbe the reason the money find is so mysterious. We know the money was near the surface, but some suggest that surface has erroded over the years. POsisbly. That really should be, and probably could be, modeled by computer, but you'd have to have very accurate input data, everything from 1971 to 1980 would need to be input, wind speeds, humidity, rains/snows boat traffic, ice (does the columbia get ice on it?) ... storms, special events (dredging, fazios deciding to try a new tractor out on the beach...etc). YOu just might be able to determine exactly when that money was put there with a good amount of certainly.

I really think the rubber bands however are pretty telling on their own, if the experiments the citzen sleuths did shows that bands buried in sand were broke and pieces after a year, their stmt that the money became buried within a year of the skyjacking can't be true.  I think it really has to be the other way around, it was buried there within a year of the 1980 find. They mention erosion, the beach erroded enough to expose the money finally....but there's one huge flaw there, that's fine there's erosion, but how did the money get buried so deep then? Cooper buried it when he landed? Why would he dig so deep, at night, and then only bury $5800? If it was there (on the surface or near it) within a year of the skyjacking it would have eroded to exposure well before the dredge came along and that place was used enough where it would have been found, and the dredge deposits don't seems to have been placed anywhere near where the money was found, which then also makes palmer's assertion that a layer in a trench they dug he claims to be right near the money was found is the dredge layer. . All data seems to point to the money ending up there within a year of the 1980 find.

All data seems to point to the money ending up there within a year of the 1980 find.

So the KIRO video and testimony of witnesses is not data?

 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3474 on: September 06, 2017, 12:56:02 PM »
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I'm still a firm believer that the money found was only there less than a year and it came to be there through a means other than the night of the jump. I base that on the rubber bands being intact but crumbling and it was on top.
Now there is alot of talk of these chard's. Is there any proof or agent/searcher/Palmer/videos/stmts saying the chard's were found at depths below surface depths or closer to the dredge?

I'd be curious to know exactly how deep these chards were if anything is out there that says that, and how many chards were found. 1000's of fragments around could be just from those 3 stacks. To be the rest of the $200k or any other significant portion of it, it'd have to be chards everywhere, everywhere I would think.

Then you dont accept the evidence in front of your eyes, eg KIRO video (interviews. reports .. at the dig).


Do we have this video? I find some references to it previous posts and links that are now dead. Is this video somewhere now where I can see it? Forgive me if it's someplace obvious, I've been accused of being a bad looker before.
 

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« Reply #3475 on: September 06, 2017, 03:32:37 PM »
I've seen the articles from early 1980 saying FBI agents found fragments, they don't really infer as to how many. ANd one article discusses they dug trenches up to 3' deep and another says an FBI agents says they found some fragments up to 3' deep. Still not able to find the KIRO TV video aside from a short 2min one that doesn't seem to reveal much of anything in any detail.
I think  the fragments @ 3' deep part could be disputable. All the articles seem to show pictures of a line of people digging with full size shovels, fairly close to each other. YOu see a fragment at the bottom of your trench. Are you certain it was there, or was it knocked off the top sidewall of the guy in front or behind you digging? In addition local news papers like that are famous for getting little things here or there wrong it could be easily mixed up facts of digged to 3' and fragments being found up to 3'..

Exploring the stmts as given,  the 3main stacks were found near the surface, and some of these fragments were up to 3' deep. Now, under what scenario could those conditions occur? You have money spread over a large vertical area. Only one method can produce the money at very different depths like that and that would be a massive shift of sands. Not a single layer deposit (aka dredge), but a constantly shifting /rotating vertically like a rolling barrel. Does that occur there? I know it can on the sand shores of Lake Superior but that is much more brutal environment than the shores of the COlumbia there. Ice flows can pick up sand from low along the water and deposit it well away from the water line and near the surface. Mabey a flood can produce the same effect. I believe that was a theory of Carr's and it's certainly a credible one.

But, I have trouble is two fold, one is if the sands shift that much to cause that massive vertical dispersment of fragments, no way 3 bundles and no others stay together with those rubber bands in tact.  2nd, they had a line of people, some articles say national guard but they look more like university students to me, digging with full size shovels. They weren't really looking for fragments with those tools, they were looking for the chute, bones, nylon cords or more large deposits of cash and/or the bag. None of which was found. The fragments, as it were, were a side effect find and they weren't probably paying very close attention to exactly how the fragments were found and at what depths. Certainly I would think digging in sand with a full size shovel any fragment you unearth would end up at the bottom of your trench, it's unlikely to find one sticking out of the sidewall of your trench and more likely you knocked it to the bottom from a sidewall as you threw your shovel in for the next scoop.

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« Reply #3476 on: September 06, 2017, 05:11:18 PM »
Yo, Blaze. The KIRO video that we saw - and was posted here for a month or so - was accessed by Shut, who got it directly from the videographer, if my memory serves me correctly. However, the vid guy took it down right after Tom Colbert made his splash and the rumors started floating that KIRO insisted on taking full possession of the video from the guy who shot it, but did not have ownership since he was an employee of KIRO TV. Hence, the video went bye-bye.

Now we can speculate at length on Colbert's contribution to this, KIRO's lack of balls, or the videographer not making a copy or sharing it with us, etc. BUT. In the meantime, you can read my book and get a full discription of the TWO  money finds at Tina Bar - the surface three bundolas, as Georger likes to call them - and the deep shard find. My book has extensive quotes from the folks who found the shards, such as Dorwin Schroeder, the Fazio Brothers, Himms. Or you can read Ralph Himmelsbach's book and not only get his description of his find, but you can see pix of him down in the trenches retrieving the bits and pieces.

One proviso: my writing on the shards has an error. My initial understanding on the shards was that they were very tiny and not that numerous. That information I got from the Citizens Sleuths, in particular TK and Carol Abracadabra, who examined the evidence locker in Seattle. However, that determination was not supported by the findings in the KIRO video. We saw the shards and they were much bigger than I was initially led to believe, and what is currently in the Norjak file. This of course makes one wonder where the sizeable shards are if not in the evidence collection.

Nevertheless, at this point the general consensus here and elsewhere in Cooper World is that the shard find was extensive, with hundreds, if not thousands of money fragments found across a 40-foot stretch of beach at a 2-4 foot depth.

No one that I know has a compelling explanation of how these two money fields came into existence, or when. The rubber bands are one indication that the arrival of money to T-Bar was near to 1980, but remember, the money was somewhere from 1971 onwards, so those rubber bands were 8+ years old regardless of where they were before discovery in February 1980.

By the way, don't feel too embarrassed about not reading my book. Many of the posters here haven't read my book, either. In fact, one of the important and intriguing aspects of the DB Cooper case is now un-informed many of the researchers are. Tom Colbert and his CCT haven't read my book, nor his cohort Jim Forbes, nor any of the production crews at the History Channel or the Travel Channel/Expedition Unknown. In fact, Tom Fuentes and Bill Jensen of the LMNO crew only started reading my book - to the extent that they have done so - online WHILE they interviewed me on camera! Further, most of these folks haven't read any one else's book, either, although Colbert did tell me that he did read Russ Calame's book, and skimmed through Himm's.

If you would like a primer on a Who's Who of authors, videographers, film crews, documentarians, etc. I may begin to put one together for these pages. I'll talk with Shut after his Irma adventure. Along those lines, my book has a 30-page glossary of the principals of Norjak, particularly the FBI agents who worked the case, the crew and passengers, and notables in this Hunt for DB Cooper.

Lastly, if you would like to access a lot of DBC info quickly without buying anything, you can go to the Mountain News-WA, where I have posted over 60 articles on Coop.
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« Reply #3477 on: September 06, 2017, 05:50:15 PM »
Georger posted on this a lot, there are still tests we can do on the money that might determine how long it was at the beach, how long it was in contact with water, and what sediment layer it really belongs to. However, it appears to me the money came up with the dredge spoils and I think a lot of people here would come to that conclusion.
 

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« Reply #3478 on: September 06, 2017, 07:35:02 PM »
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Yo, Blaze. The KIRO video that we saw - and was posted here for a month or so - was accessed by Shut, who got it directly from the videographer, if my memory serves me correctly. However, the vid guy took it down right after Tom Colbert made his splash and the rumors started floating that KIRO insisted on taking full possession of the video from the guy who shot it, but did not have ownership since he was an employee of KIRO TV. Hence, the video went bye-bye.

Now we can speculate at length on Colbert's contribution to this, KIRO's lack of balls, or the videographer not making a copy or sharing it with us, etc. BUT. In the meantime, you can read my book and get a full discription of the TWO  money finds at Tina Bar - the surface three bundolas, as Georger likes to call them - and the deep shard find. My book has extensive quotes from the folks who found the shards, such as Dorwin Schroeder, the Fazio Brothers, Himms. Or you can read Ralph Himmelsbach's book and not only get his description of his find, but you can see pix of him down in the trenches retrieving the bits and pieces.

One proviso: my writing on the shards has an error. My initial understanding on the shards was that they were very tiny and not that numerous. That information I got from the Citizens Sleuths, in particular TK and Carol Abracadabra, who examined the evidence locker in Seattle. However, that determination was not supported by the findings in the KIRO video. We saw the shards and they were much bigger than I was initially led to believe, and what is currently in the Norjak file. This of course makes one wonder where the sizeable shards are if not in the evidence collection.

Nevertheless, at this point the general consensus here and elsewhere in Cooper World is that the shard find was extensive, with hundreds, if not thousands of money fragments found across a 40-foot stretch of beach at a 2-4 foot depth.

No one that I know has a compelling explanation of how these two money fields came into existence, or when. The rubber bands are one indication that the arrival of money to T-Bar was near to 1980, but remember, the money was somewhere from 1971 onwards, so those rubber bands were 8+ years old regardless of where they were before discovery in February 1980.

By the way, don't feel too embarrassed about not reading my book. Many of the posters here haven't read my book, either. In fact, one of the important and intriguing aspects of the DB Cooper case is now un-informed many of the researchers are. Tom Colbert and his CCT haven't read my book, nor his cohort Jim Forbes, nor any of the production crews at the History Channel or the Travel Channel/Expedition Unknown. In fact, Tom Fuentes and Bill Jensen of the LMNO crew only started reading my book - to the extent that they have done so - online WHILE they interviewed me on camera! Further, most of these folks haven't read any one else's book, either, although Colbert did tell me that he did read Russ Calame's book, and skimmed through Himm's.

If you would like a primer on a Who's Who of authors, videographers, film crews, documentarians, etc. I may begin to put one together for these pages. I'll talk with Shut after his Irma adventure. Along those lines, my book has a 30-page glossary of the principals of Norjak, particularly the FBI agents who worked the case, the crew and passengers, and notables in this Hunt for DB Cooper.

Lastly, if you would like to access a lot of DBC info quickly without buying anything, you can go to the Mountain News-WA, where I have posted over 60 articles on Coop.

Well, thanks for that summary. There so much info spread around here and DZ and various other places it hard to keep track of it all unless your basically here every day. I've been around and posted in DZ many times and here but life insists on other things, but I always come back and get interested again.
I've not read the books, that's true. Mostly because I don't know where to get them, I tried at the library once and they couldn't get 'em, and I'm an amazon hater , I know they're there, but I refuse to get anything from those feces consuming racoons .  Anyway, I digress, so much in Cooperville has been distorted over the years that even what seem to be facts can become blurred. I've got a small compilation of what I've come across as "facts" and I've attempted to categorize them and assign some mathematical value to them. Mabey similar to much like what safecrackinplf did try to apply some basic mathematical principles to solve the issue. Things that are 100% (well, 99.99%) indisputable, 90%,80% etc.... The attempt is gain a better insight into the most probable explanations. Most of you have it all in your head or remember seeing/hearing on DZ, some newstory, an agent, a book, some documentary, a personal account at the Ariel store, who knows...it's spread all around, it helps, me at least,  to get it all down to a visible level.

The money...well, as everyone seems to conclude, creates far  more questions than it answers. I guess I keep coming back because the money is probably the key if there even is one and there has to be some way to explain it with some amount of certainty or confidence (aka you can prove it) but the real question is to figure out how to figure out how it got there. Haha, if that makes sense.
I tried to get my 17 year old 4.0 astrophysics major bound daughter  to do her senior year science project developing some algorithms to model how money might degrade in say a beach or water environment, because alot of astrophysics is simply figuring out how to figure other stuff out and developing a math model around that. Haha, she knew what I was after and said "Not D.B. Cooper again. No way, I've read some on that case, alot of those people are crazy and obsessed and I'm not going anywhere near it"
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3479 on: September 06, 2017, 07:50:44 PM »
Just because we're crazy doesn't mean we don't love good science! Tell your daughter, Blaze, that working with us would be worth "Life-Experience" credit at school! Plus, working on DBC will give her SO MUCH to talk about at job interviews, boring wedding parties, etc...

So, Blaze, you don't like my task-masters at Amazon, eh? If you send me $30 bucks I'll send you an autographed copy of my book. Email me with your particulars and A Hot Copy will be in your hands in a matter of days.

Brucesmith at rainierconnect dot com.