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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

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Voting closed: August 16, 2016, 09:05:28 AM

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3450 on: July 22, 2017, 09:51:11 AM »
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Georger, I believe Meyer has some questions in regards with samples (sand). it's my understanding you would like to have these?

Meyer just email any questions you have ... yes, saving some sand samples at the time of burial is SOP and wise. Always cover your options for future reference. Those samples should then be given a cursory look-over with notes taken, again for future reference. I can walk Meyer through this - we already discussed it months ago ... ?
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The last couple emails I got from Meyer was his concerns about where to take samples, how many etc. I've made a procedure file that will help guide Meyer on how to bury the bundles, size of the hole, depth, spacing etc. he wanted this procedure added to the file. I think I sent this to you, I will resend to insure....
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3451 on: July 22, 2017, 02:16:14 PM »
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Georger, I believe Meyer has some questions in regards with samples (sand). it's my understanding you would like to have these?

Meyer just email any questions you have ... yes, saving some sand samples at the time of burial is SOP and wise. Always cover your options for future reference. Those samples should then be given a cursory look-over with notes taken, again for future reference. I can walk Meyer through this - we already discussed it months ago ... ?
G

The last couple emails I got from Meyer was his concerns about where to take samples, how many etc. I've made a procedure file that will help guide Meyer on how to bury the bundles, size of the hole, depth, spacing etc. he wanted this procedure added to the file. I think I sent this to you, I will resend to insure....

I got it and replied. Everything is about as we all previously discussed, with one new easy addition. A core sample at each burial site. Minimum three feet deep from surface and save those core samples for future reference. Core samples is the one thing nobody bothered to do at T_Bar and I think Tom & I both agreed that should have been done - so we do it now just for documentation.

I replied to your email this morning ... you should have that now.     

 ;) ;) Meyer are you reading all of this?   ;) ;)
« Last Edit: July 22, 2017, 02:52:48 PM by georger »
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3452 on: July 22, 2017, 10:20:15 PM »
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Georger, I believe Meyer has some questions in regards with samples (sand). it's my understanding you would like to have these?

Meyer just email any questions you have ... yes, saving some sand samples at the time of burial is SOP and wise. Always cover your options for future reference. Those samples should then be given a cursory look-over with notes taken, again for future reference. I can walk Meyer through this - we already discussed it months ago ... ?
G

The last couple emails I got from Meyer was his concerns about where to take samples, how many etc. I've made a procedure file that will help guide Meyer on how to bury the bundles, size of the hole, depth, spacing etc. he wanted this procedure added to the file. I think I sent this to you, I will resend to insure....

I got it and replied. Everything is about as we all previously discussed, with one new easy addition. A core sample at each burial site. Minimum three feet deep from surface and save those core samples for future reference. Core samples is the one thing nobody bothered to do at T_Bar and I think Tom & I both agreed that should have been done - so we do it now just for documentation.

I replied to your email this morning ... you should have that now.     

 ;) ;) Meyer are you reading all of this?   ;) ;)


I am.  I just wanted to be sure the procedure for collecting water and sand samples was included in the Caterpillar Island Experiment instructions.  They just need to be added to the other instructions for our study.  That's all I want.  Looking forward to getting the goods and getting it done. 

Meyer
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3453 on: July 22, 2017, 11:35:30 PM »
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Georger, I believe Meyer has some questions in regards with samples (sand). it's my understanding you would like to have these?

Meyer just email any questions you have ... yes, saving some sand samples at the time of burial is SOP and wise. Always cover your options for future reference. Those samples should then be given a cursory look-over with notes taken, again for future reference. I can walk Meyer through this - we already discussed it months ago ... ?
G

The last couple emails I got from Meyer was his concerns about where to take samples, how many etc. I've made a procedure file that will help guide Meyer on how to bury the bundles, size of the hole, depth, spacing etc. he wanted this procedure added to the file. I think I sent this to you, I will resend to insure....

I got it and replied. Everything is about as we all previously discussed, with one new easy addition. A core sample at each burial site. Minimum three feet deep from surface and save those core samples for future reference. Core samples is the one thing nobody bothered to do at T_Bar and I think Tom & I both agreed that should have been done - so we do it now just for documentation.

I replied to your email this morning ... you should have that now.     

 ;) ;) Meyer are you reading all of this?   ;) ;)


I am.  I just wanted to be sure the procedure for collecting water and sand samples was included in the Caterpillar Island Experiment instructions.  They just need to be added to the other instructions for our study.  That's all I want.  Looking forward to getting the goods and getting it done. 

Meyer

I will write something up tomorrow and get it out ... then if Dave approves I would go for it at your first convenience?
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3454 on: July 23, 2017, 09:26:16 PM »
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Georger, I believe Meyer has some questions in regards with samples (sand). it's my understanding you would like to have these?

Meyer just email any questions you have ... yes, saving some sand samples at the time of burial is SOP and wise. Always cover your options for future reference. Those samples should then be given a cursory look-over with notes taken, again for future reference. I can walk Meyer through this - we already discussed it months ago ... ?
G

The last couple emails I got from Meyer was his concerns about where to take samples, how many etc. I've made a procedure file that will help guide Meyer on how to bury the bundles, size of the hole, depth, spacing etc. he wanted this procedure added to the file. I think I sent this to you, I will resend to insure....

I got it and replied. Everything is about as we all previously discussed, with one new easy addition. A core sample at each burial site. Minimum three feet deep from surface and save those core samples for future reference. Core samples is the one thing nobody bothered to do at T_Bar and I think Tom & I both agreed that should have been done - so we do it now just for documentation.

I replied to your email this morning ... you should have that now.     

 ;) ;) Meyer are you reading all of this?   ;) ;)


I am.  I just wanted to be sure the procedure for collecting water and sand samples was included in the Caterpillar Island Experiment instructions.  They just need to be added to the other instructions for our study.  That's all I want.  Looking forward to getting the goods and getting it done. 

Meyer

I will write something up tomorrow and get it out ... then if Dave approves I would go for it at your first convenience?

Thanks, I agree, asap....soon.  Meyer
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3455 on: July 24, 2017, 05:32:11 AM »
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Georger, I believe Meyer has some questions in regards with samples (sand). it's my understanding you would like to have these?

Meyer just email any questions you have ... yes, saving some sand samples at the time of burial is SOP and wise. Always cover your options for future reference. Those samples should then be given a cursory look-over with notes taken, again for future reference. I can walk Meyer through this - we already discussed it months ago ... ?
G

The last couple emails I got from Meyer was his concerns about where to take samples, how many etc. I've made a procedure file that will help guide Meyer on how to bury the bundles, size of the hole, depth, spacing etc. he wanted this procedure added to the file. I think I sent this to you, I will resend to insure....

I got it and replied. Everything is about as we all previously discussed, with one new easy addition. A core sample at each burial site. Minimum three feet deep from surface and save those core samples for future reference. Core samples is the one thing nobody bothered to do at T_Bar and I think Tom & I both agreed that should have been done - so we do it now just for documentation.

I replied to your email this morning ... you should have that now.     

 ;) ;) Meyer are you reading all of this?   ;) ;)


I am.  I just wanted to be sure the procedure for collecting water and sand samples was included in the Caterpillar Island Experiment instructions.  They just need to be added to the other instructions for our study.  That's all I want.  Looking forward to getting the goods and getting it done. 

Meyer

I will write something up tomorrow and get it out ... then if Dave approves I would go for it at your first convenience?

Thanks, that will be great, good documentation will be a good thing here.

Meyer
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3456 on: July 27, 2017, 03:19:49 PM »
I just got off the phone with Meyer...a spot has been found so we are gearing up to get the project up and running..a big thanks goes out to Meyer for stepping up and making this possible...this was his third attempt...which seems to be the charm..

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3457 on: July 29, 2017, 03:36:48 PM »
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I just got off the phone with Meyer...a spot has been found so we are gearing up to get the project up and running..a big thanks goes out to Meyer for stepping up and making this possible...this was his third attempt...which seems to be the charm..

 :bravo:

Meyer,

You probably already know this, but the Monday, August 21st, solar eclipse will be total in the Portland/Vancouver area around 10:15 AM.  So be prepared if you expect to be there that day.

Also, when you drive across the Flushing Channel, please note if there is any water in it or has been recently. 
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3458 on: July 29, 2017, 05:19:05 PM »
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I just got off the phone with Meyer...a spot has been found so we are gearing up to get the project up and running..a big thanks goes out to Meyer for stepping up and making this possible...this was his third attempt...which seems to be the charm..

 :bravo:

Meyer,

You probably already know this, but the Monday, August 21st, solar eclipse will be total in the Portland/Vancouver area around 10:15 AM.  So be prepared if you expect to be there that day.

Also, when you drive across the Flushing Channel, please note if there is any water in it or has been recently.

Yes, not quite totality. Coverage will be 99% at Portland-Vancouver on that date. See attached.
« Last Edit: July 29, 2017, 05:57:11 PM by georger »
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3459 on: July 29, 2017, 06:09:52 PM »
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I just got off the phone with Meyer...a spot has been found so we are gearing up to get the project up and running..a big thanks goes out to Meyer for stepping up and making this possible...this was his third attempt...which seems to be the charm..

 :bravo:

Meyer,

You probably already know this, but the Monday, August 21st, solar eclipse will be total in the Portland/Vancouver area around 10:15 AM.  So be prepared if you expect to be there that day.

Also, when you drive across the Flushing Channel, please note if there is any water in it or has been recently.

I will try another day other than August 21st, thanks.  Columbia River is still higher than usual.  Low tide wasn't all that low but it was manageable, was able to wade around in the water.  R99, refresh my memory about the Flushing Channel.....are you talking about the channel just off the levee from NW Lower River Road as you leave Vancouver Park?  You pointed that out the first time we got together at Tina Bar.  Water is still a bit high for this time of the year, but not too bad.  I will check for sure next trip.

Meyer
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3460 on: July 29, 2017, 06:49:45 PM »
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I just got off the phone with Meyer...a spot has been found so we are gearing up to get the project up and running..a big thanks goes out to Meyer for stepping up and making this possible...this was his third attempt...which seems to be the charm..

 :bravo:

Meyer,

You probably already know this, but the Monday, August 21st, solar eclipse will be total in the Portland/Vancouver area around 10:15 AM.  So be prepared if you expect to be there that day.

Also, when you drive across the Flushing Channel, please note if there is any water in it or has been recently.

I will try another day other than August 21st, thanks.  Columbia River is still higher than usual.  Low tide wasn't all that low but it was manageable, was able to wade around in the water.  R99, refresh my memory about the Flushing Channel.....are you talking about the channel just off the levee from NW Lower River Road as you leave Vancouver Park?  You pointed that out the first time we got together at Tina Bar.  Water is still a bit high for this time of the year, but not too bad.  I will check for sure next trip.

Meyer

As you are driving north on the NW Lower River Toad TOWARD Tina Bar, you come to a 90 degree left turn and head west.  After making that left turn, there is an embankment just south of the road that parallels the road until you get to another 90 degree turn but to the north in this case.  After making this turn to the north, it is essentially a straight road to the marina and the Fazio property.

Now let's back up to the 90 degree left turn mentioned in the first sentence above.  There is a small culvert just south of this left turn that actually crosses the Flushing Channel at that point.  And the east-west embankment mentioned above is actually the north bank (more or less) of the Flushing Channel.  As you drive across the Flushing Channel culvert, there is a small "flap dam" that can be turned up slightly to control the flow of water into Vancouver Lake.

Let me repeat that this culvert across the Flushing Channel is small potatoes and doesn't look like anything other than a normal culvert across what appears to be a small ditch at that point.  But the "ditch" actually goes all the way back to the Columbia River.

I have never seen any water in the Flushing Channel and when we were there in late July of last year, the channel was practically overgrown with brush.  So it may be even harder to see this year if Clark County hasn't cleaned out the channel.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3461 on: July 30, 2017, 02:22:51 AM »
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I just got off the phone with Meyer...a spot has been found so we are gearing up to get the project up and running..a big thanks goes out to Meyer for stepping up and making this possible...this was his third attempt...which seems to be the charm..

 :bravo:

Meyer,

You probably already know this, but the Monday, August 21st, solar eclipse will be total in the Portland/Vancouver area around 10:15 AM.  So be prepared if you expect to be there that day.

Also, when you drive across the Flushing Channel, please note if there is any water in it or has been recently.

I will try another day other than August 21st, thanks.  Columbia River is still higher than usual.  Low tide wasn't all that low but it was manageable, was able to wade around in the water.  R99, refresh my memory about the Flushing Channel.....are you talking about the channel just off the levee from NW Lower River Road as you leave Vancouver Park?  You pointed that out the first time we got together at Tina Bar.  Water is still a bit high for this time of the year, but not too bad.  I will check for sure next trip.

Meyer

As you are driving north on the NW Lower River Toad TOWARD Tina Bar, you come to a 90 degree left turn and head west.  After making that left turn, there is an embankment just south of the road that parallels the road until you get to another 90 degree turn but to the north in this case.  After making this turn to the north, it is essentially a straight road to the marina and the Fazio property.

Now let's back up to the 90 degree left turn mentioned in the first sentence above.  There is a small culvert just south of this left turn that actually crosses the Flushing Channel at that point.  And the east-west embankment mentioned above is actually the north bank (more or less) of the Flushing Channel.  As you drive across the Flushing Channel culvert, there is a small "flap dam" that can be turned up slightly to control the flow of water into Vancouver Lake.

Let me repeat that this culvert across the Flushing Channel is small potatoes and doesn't look like anything other than a normal culvert across what appears to be a small ditch at that point.  But the "ditch" actually goes all the way back to the Columbia River.

I have never seen any water in the Flushing Channel and when we were there in late July of last year, the channel was practically overgrown with brush.  So it may be even harder to see this year if Clark County hasn't cleaned out the channel.

R99,

It is as I remembered and as you just explained ...that first 90 degree turn is just short of the entrance to Vancouver Lake Park.  We stopped at the park there and sat on a park bench and you talked at length about all the interesting gear you brought.... that was a great day, thanks to you.  I will look closely next time.  With the unusually high waters this year (still higher than normal, by the way), there may be water in the Flushing Channel.

I was in Canby, Oregon two days ago.  A friend from Canby I hadn't seen for 20 years saw the Travel Channel program and got in touch.  Was sure good to see him and visit for a couple of hours in Canby.  Didn't get to Woodburn, however, ...just south of Canby.  I can now say I was at the south end of the Malay-Canby intersection.

Meyer
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3462 on: July 30, 2017, 02:20:29 PM »
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I just got off the phone with Meyer...a spot has been found so we are gearing up to get the project up and running..a big thanks goes out to Meyer for stepping up and making this possible...this was his third attempt...which seems to be the charm..

 :bravo:

Meyer,

You probably already know this, but the Monday, August 21st, solar eclipse will be total in the Portland/Vancouver area around 10:15 AM.  So be prepared if you expect to be there that day.

Also, when you drive across the Flushing Channel, please note if there is any water in it or has been recently.

I will try another day other than August 21st, thanks.  Columbia River is still higher than usual.  Low tide wasn't all that low but it was manageable, was able to wade around in the water.  R99, refresh my memory about the Flushing Channel.....are you talking about the channel just off the levee from NW Lower River Road as you leave Vancouver Park?  You pointed that out the first time we got together at Tina Bar.  Water is still a bit high for this time of the year, but not too bad.  I will check for sure next trip.

Meyer

As you are driving north on the NW Lower River Toad TOWARD Tina Bar, you come to a 90 degree left turn and head west.  After making that left turn, there is an embankment just south of the road that parallels the road until you get to another 90 degree turn but to the north in this case.  After making this turn to the north, it is essentially a straight road to the marina and the Fazio property.

Now let's back up to the 90 degree left turn mentioned in the first sentence above.  There is a small culvert just south of this left turn that actually crosses the Flushing Channel at that point.  And the east-west embankment mentioned above is actually the north bank (more or less) of the Flushing Channel.  As you drive across the Flushing Channel culvert, there is a small "flap dam" that can be turned up slightly to control the flow of water into Vancouver Lake.

Let me repeat that this culvert across the Flushing Channel is small potatoes and doesn't look like anything other than a normal culvert across what appears to be a small ditch at that point.  But the "ditch" actually goes all the way back to the Columbia River.

I have never seen any water in the Flushing Channel and when we were there in late July of last year, the channel was practically overgrown with brush.  So it may be even harder to see this year if Clark County hasn't cleaned out the channel.

maybe a map is in order? Since most people dont have the faintest idea what you are talking about?
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3463 on: July 30, 2017, 03:03:21 PM »
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I just got off the phone with Meyer...a spot has been found so we are gearing up to get the project up and running..a big thanks goes out to Meyer for stepping up and making this possible...this was his third attempt...which seems to be the charm..

 :bravo:

Meyer,

You probably already know this, but the Monday, August 21st, solar eclipse will be total in the Portland/Vancouver area around 10:15 AM.  So be prepared if you expect to be there that day.

Also, when you drive across the Flushing Channel, please note if there is any water in it or has been recently.

I will try another day other than August 21st, thanks.  Columbia River is still higher than usual.  Low tide wasn't all that low but it was manageable, was able to wade around in the water.  R99, refresh my memory about the Flushing Channel.....are you talking about the channel just off the levee from NW Lower River Road as you leave Vancouver Park?  You pointed that out the first time we got together at Tina Bar.  Water is still a bit high for this time of the year, but not too bad.  I will check for sure next trip.

Meyer

As you are driving north on the NW Lower River Toad TOWARD Tina Bar, you come to a 90 degree left turn and head west.  After making that left turn, there is an embankment just south of the road that parallels the road until you get to another 90 degree turn but to the north in this case.  After making this turn to the north, it is essentially a straight road to the marina and the Fazio property.

Now let's back up to the 90 degree left turn mentioned in the first sentence above.  There is a small culvert just south of this left turn that actually crosses the Flushing Channel at that point.  And the east-west embankment mentioned above is actually the north bank (more or less) of the Flushing Channel.  As you drive across the Flushing Channel culvert, there is a small "flap dam" that can be turned up slightly to control the flow of water into Vancouver Lake.

Let me repeat that this culvert across the Flushing Channel is small potatoes and doesn't look like anything other than a normal culvert across what appears to be a small ditch at that point.  But the "ditch" actually goes all the way back to the Columbia River.

I have never seen any water in the Flushing Channel and when we were there in late July of last year, the channel was practically overgrown with brush.  So it may be even harder to see this year if Clark County hasn't cleaned out the channel.

maybe a map is in order? Since most people dont have the faintest idea what you are talking about?

Meyer has got it right above.  But let's try it again using Georger's chart.

This time, let's start at the top and work down.  Find Tina Bar near the top of the map and on the river.  Take the road south from Tina Bar until you come to the left turn where the road heads east.

There is an embankment running east/west just south of, and parallel to, this road.  The Flushing Channel is on the south side of this embankment.  This road then intersects a north/south (more or less) road.  Turning to the right and going south from this intersection, it is only a few hundred feet to the culvert that passes over the Flushing Channel.

The culvert is in the approximate position where the yellow circle (associated with the number 5) blanks out the road.  These yellow circles apparently refer to geographical positions and the associated numbers apparently refer to distance above sea level.

Since the surface of the Columbia River, Vancouver Lake, and the other water levels are normally only about 5 to 7 feet above sea level, the numbers higher than that must apply to land elevations.
 

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« Reply #3464 on: July 30, 2017, 11:57:14 PM »
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I just got off the phone with Meyer...a spot has been found so we are gearing up to get the project up and running..a big thanks goes out to Meyer for stepping up and making this possible...this was his third attempt...which seems to be the charm..

 :bravo:

Meyer,

You probably already know this, but the Monday, August 21st, solar eclipse will be total in the Portland/Vancouver area around 10:15 AM.  So be prepared if you expect to be there that day.

Also, when you drive across the Flushing Channel, please note if there is any water in it or has been recently.

I will try another day other than August 21st, thanks.  Columbia River is still higher than usual.  Low tide wasn't all that low but it was manageable, was able to wade around in the water.  R99, refresh my memory about the Flushing Channel.....are you talking about the channel just off the levee from NW Lower River Road as you leave Vancouver Park?  You pointed that out the first time we got together at Tina Bar.  Water is still a bit high for this time of the year, but not too bad.  I will check for sure next trip.

Meyer

As you are driving north on the NW Lower River Toad TOWARD Tina Bar, you come to a 90 degree left turn and head west.  After making that left turn, there is an embankment just south of the road that parallels the road until you get to another 90 degree turn but to the north in this case.  After making this turn to the north, it is essentially a straight road to the marina and the Fazio property.

Now let's back up to the 90 degree left turn mentioned in the first sentence above.  There is a small culvert just south of this left turn that actually crosses the Flushing Channel at that point.  And the east-west embankment mentioned above is actually the north bank (more or less) of the Flushing Channel.  As you drive across the Flushing Channel culvert, there is a small "flap dam" that can be turned up slightly to control the flow of water into Vancouver Lake.

Let me repeat that this culvert across the Flushing Channel is small potatoes and doesn't look like anything other than a normal culvert across what appears to be a small ditch at that point.  But the "ditch" actually goes all the way back to the Columbia River.

I have never seen any water in the Flushing Channel and when we were there in late July of last year, the channel was practically overgrown with brush.  So it may be even harder to see this year if Clark County hasn't cleaned out the channel.

maybe a map is in order? Since most people dont have the faintest idea what you are talking about?

Meyer has got it right above.  But let's try it again using Georger's chart.

This time, let's start at the top and work down.  Find Tina Bar near the top of the map and on the river.  Take the road south from Tina Bar until you come to the left turn where the road heads east.

There is an embankment running east/west just south of, and parallel to, this road.  The Flushing Channel is on the south side of this embankment.  This road then intersects a north/south (more or less) road.  Turning to the right and going south from this intersection, it is only a few hundred feet to the culvert that passes over the Flushing Channel.

The culvert is in the approximate position where the yellow circle (associated with the number 5) blanks out the road.  These yellow circles apparently refer to geographical positions and the associated numbers apparently refer to distance above sea level.

Since the surface of the Columbia River, Vancouver Lake, and the other water levels are normally only about 5 to 7 feet above sea level, the numbers higher than that must apply to land elevations.

let me look for other better maps ...