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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

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Voting closed: August 16, 2016, 09:05:28 AM

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georger

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #330 on: November 27, 2014, 02:38:49 PM »
Broken Brief case at Tina Bar - found.

Here it is. Was sitting in plain sight all along.  Look down at the base of the tree. No guarantee it's Cooper's brief case, in fact it doesn't look black so maybe some old brief case washed up on Tina Bar, found during the excavation.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #331 on: November 27, 2014, 02:55:36 PM »
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Broken Brief case at Tina Bar - found.

Here it is. Was sitting in plain sight all along.  Look down at the base of the tree. No guarantee it's Cooper's brief case, in fact it doesn't look black so maybe some old brief case washed up on Tina Bar, found during the excavation.

To me it looks like a one-suit suitcase type of thing.  It seems to be much larger than the attachĂ© type thing that Cooper reportedly had.  But it does look like it has been damaged and this may be where the rumor started that associated it with Cooper.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #332 on: November 27, 2014, 05:00:46 PM »
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Broken Brief case at Tina Bar - found.

Here it is. Was sitting in plain sight all along.  Look down at the base of the tree. No guarantee it's Cooper's brief case, in fact it doesn't look black so maybe some old brief case washed up on Tina Bar, found during the excavation.

To me it looks like a one-suit suitcase type of thing.  It seems to be much larger than the attachĂ© type thing that Cooper reportedly had.  But it does look like it has been damaged and this may be where the rumor started that associated it with Cooper.

This is just one more example of how all kinds of stuff shows up on Tina Bar without one tangible explanation about how one thing arrived on Tina Bar, from where. Evidently nothing has ever been actually tracked from some place to Tina Bar ... like the migration of Geese?

Evidently the whole thing is random. I dont believe that for a minute!  ;)

   
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #333 on: November 27, 2014, 05:42:05 PM »
It's possible this case has photo equipment in for the dig. it appears as if something is in front of it? I don't have any software loaded on this computer yet to check it out. also appears to be another just to the back right. looks like the flip latch on a briefcase?

I enhanced it a little with an online program.....
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #334 on: November 27, 2014, 06:54:38 PM »
Interesting article dated February 13, 1980. pieces found as deep as 3 feet.......also claiming Brian's sister actually found the money.

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #335 on: November 28, 2014, 12:54:38 AM »
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Interesting article dated February 13, 1980. pieces found as deep as 3 feet.......also claiming Brian's sister actually found the money

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Brian Ingram had no sister. He had a cousin named Denise, age 5. She was the daughter of Crystal Ingram spelled Crystal, who was married to Harold Ingram's brother. Crystal and Harold's brother were in the process of a divorce when the group minus Harold's brother, went for a outing at Tina Bar.


Crystal Ingram contacted SA Ralph Himmelsbach on February 13, 1980, and gave Himmelsbach a different account of the finding of the Cooper money. She told RH that it was her daughter Denise who had actually found the money first then called Brian's attention to it. She also disclosed that the Ingrams were holding Cooper twenties back they had not turned in. A meeting was set up for Crystal and she appeared at the appointed time with four more Cooper twenties, in behalf of Harold and Patrica Ingram. Crystal pressed her case in behalf of her daughter with a number of people including the media but nothing ever came of it.


     


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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #336 on: November 28, 2014, 11:11:33 AM »
I stand corrected. the article says Denise was Brian's Nephew. they do claim to change there opinion of Cooper jumping in the original area.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #337 on: November 28, 2014, 12:56:08 PM »
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I stand corrected. the article says Denise was Brian's Nephew. they do claim to change there opinion of Cooper jumping in the original area.

The article is a little confusing. I think they are saying Brian is Crystal's nephew (by marriage).
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #338 on: November 28, 2014, 12:58:38 PM »
Is Crystal Brian's Mother's sister's daughter  ;D ;D
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #339 on: November 28, 2014, 03:05:17 PM »
I'm new to the game so I have a question: Who believes the money arrived by dredging and why?, and who believes the money impacted there after the jump and was there all along and why?, and who believes the money got there by other means (planted or nature) and why?  I just want to make sure I'm not locking myself into an opinion while missing some basic info.  Thanks.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #340 on: November 28, 2014, 03:40:48 PM »
I look at all options...

1) The money could have arrived via dredge according to evidence of what can go through the dredge, and the fact of the money being protected in the bag (possibly)

2) The flight path could be wrong and Cooper could of impacted around that area, or lost the money on the way down.

3) I don't believe a plant was involved. evidence of a debris field, money not really buried, a plant wouldn't "throw off" the investigation anymore than it already is.

4) Cooper could of jumped at the wrong time given the fact of timing vs dark, cloudy and no positive way he knew exactly where he was. McCoy kept a sharp eye on pinpointing his location with constant updates from the crew. the plane obviously crossed the river at one point, and you have money downstream from the plane?

5) The jump time is very suspect leading the jump closer to the Columbia than originally suspected. we could have a simple solution instead of making it complex? water doesn't always give up the dead. we could easily be overlooking the obvious.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #341 on: November 30, 2014, 04:49:07 PM »
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It's possible this case has photo equipment in for the dig. it appears as if something is in front of it? I don't have any software loaded on this computer yet to check it out. also appears to be another just to the back right. looks like the flip latch on a briefcase?

I enhanced it a little with an online program.....

Seems likely this was just a kit for collecting evidence. It looks like it's a metal hardcase, I use them to carry expensive optics in the field (I'm a birder), check out the hinge.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #342 on: November 30, 2014, 05:00:43 PM »
I will make a quick post. Real progress on defining the Ingram find is being made. Solid new information of a forensic nature has been collected. I will present this information at some point in the future.

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #343 on: November 30, 2014, 05:17:44 PM »
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I will make a quick post. Real progress on defining the Ingram find is being made. Solid new information of a forensic nature has been collected. I will present this information at some point in the future.

Happy Holidays.

Sounds good G, don't keep us in the dark too long  8)
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #344 on: December 02, 2014, 03:14:02 PM »
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I will make a quick post. Real progress on defining the Ingram find is being made. Solid new information of a forensic nature has been collected. I will present this information at some point in the future.

Happy Holidays.
   

Sounds good G, don't keep us in the dark too long  8)

Grade (elevation) at Tina Bar matters. It is an unresolved issue that has plagued this case since work began in 2007-08. There is nothing at Tom's website that even addresses the basic issue of the profile(s) at Tina Bar. Each of the photos attached portrays a different grade at different locations on Tina Bar. So, the original photo of Brian sitting on a steep grade where he supposedly found the money, may be an accurate portrayal, after all ! That photo of Brian was previously criticized as "staged" and inaccurate especially in terms of grade, which may not be true at all! Why does any of this matter. ie issues of profile, grade, and elevation? It matters because of the basic issues of physics and hydrology involved in whatever scenario brought Cooper money to Tina Bar - that's why it matters! I will leave it at this ...

For one thing, these photos of Tina Bar allow us to place context on the comments of the agents who encountered the Ingram find at Tina Bar, first canvassed the scene and supposedly found fragments, and then performed an excavation of the site. Knowing the correct elevations involved allows us to provide important context on the place of the find itself, including the erosional history at Tina Bar 1971-80...   
   
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