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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

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Voting closed: August 16, 2016, 09:05:28 AM

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georger

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3285 on: June 08, 2017, 01:44:50 PM »
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but 30 grand more in serial numbers were on that list

Am sorry to ask, but I tend to tune out when a flame war starts..... Thus, I didn't catch the main assertion by the Flyjack thread on the emails that went back and forth regarding the TinaBar money serial numbers......
was it his or someone elses assertion here that the TinaBar money serial numbers were actually in these extra 30 grand on the bank list, and not from the actual DBC money ?

I believe that was Flyjack's contention.  - that the TinaBar money serial numbers were actually in these extra 30 grand on the bank list, and not from the actual DBC money given to Cooper.

Moreover, if I understood FJ's claim, he has actual serial numbers from the Ingram money find that he claims are not on (or cannot be on) the list of serial numbers that were given to Cooper.

FJ's claim is that the Ingram find money is NOT money that was given to Cooper!

FLYJACK's claim, if true, leaves open the question as to how the Tina Bar money got from the bank to Tina Bar if Cooper didn't have it.  But FLYJACK seems to ignore pesky details such as that.

My guess is: FJ had something specific in mind vis-a-vis his suspect, and his suspect's role in the whole Cooper case. That the case was a conspiracy of some kind? Perpetrated by the CIA? That there was no hijacking? Whatever FJ is driving at he hasn't stated it in simple understandable terms.

It always seems to be the same thing with these people promoting suspects. It's a hide-n-seek game and we are supposed to guess what the facts being claimed are? And the public is supposed to guess and supply the facts that 'prove' the promoters case for him. Jo Weber played that game, and changed her story every 2 hours for years in order to fit the latest points being discussed on the forum, at DZ. Blevins the same thing. Blevins has been at this since August of 2010 and his story is still changing today!The process of laying out a suspect should not involve invention and evolution! So far no hard evidence has been produced by any suspect promoter; its all theories and what-ifs.

 
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3286 on: June 08, 2017, 05:45:50 PM »
I think once again we just don't have the whole story with what has been presented. the lawyer found an issue with two serial numbers that appear to have never been taken care of, he also asked for them to check the serial numbers again. lawyers don't let things just set, and forget. Al Lee must of responded to this letter, either by phone, or some sort of documentation.

They had 290 bills that I'm sure they matched all the serial numbers to the original amount Cooper had. every bill a member on DZ (testxyz) could find was on the FBI's list.

Now, if we are to split hairs, the common answer has been 3 bundles, but Carr states they were in random amounts (500, 1000 etc) and yet, the Tbar money is very close to 3 bundles of possibly 2,000 each? if they did have a start stop list they would of known exactly what was there? they should of been able to tell if a couple hundred were missing?
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3287 on: June 08, 2017, 05:47:20 PM »
For all we know, they might of decided not to bother with the two numbers, but I'm sure all involved were aware of the problem, as well as accuracy of the serial numbers...
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3288 on: June 09, 2017, 12:00:55 AM »
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I think once again we just don't have the whole story with what has been presented. the lawyer found an issue with two serial numbers that appear to have never been taken care of, he also asked for them to check the serial numbers again. lawyers don't let things just set, and forget. Al Lee must of responded to this letter, either by phone, or some sort of documentation.

They had 290 bills that I'm sure they matched all the serial numbers to the original amount Cooper had. every bill a member on DZ (testxyz) could find was on the FBI's list.

Now, if we are to split hairs, the common answer has been 3 bundles, but Carr states they were in random amounts (500, 1000 etc) and yet, the Tbar money is very close to 3 bundles of possibly 2,000 each? if they did have a start stop list they would of known exactly what was there? they should of been able to tell if a couple hundred were missing?

My impression is (havent look it up) that the start/stop numbers claim comes from Larry? But again I am so busy here I havent had the time to check and put this all together .... not that any of this is sitting waiting on me! Anyone who has the answer please speak!  8) 

If I am correct, these issues came up because the insurance company was fighting the claim.

we will get to the bottom of this ...
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3289 on: June 09, 2017, 07:28:09 AM »
The main purpose of documenting the bills was for criminal prosecution in court. IMO, they would have had to make another list showing the way the bundles were changed. was this worth the time vs knowing what they already had?

I don't think it would of been hard to connect the 12 bundles to the original packing if they had a start stop list, and would know what was either missing, deteriorated, or eaten by insects over time? not to mention the number of bundles found...

12 stack monte....
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3290 on: June 09, 2017, 12:59:07 PM »

I came across an Associated Press trivia article on D B Cooper. It said NWA clerk said they discovered that they had shorted Cooper by 2 $20 bills so he never got the full $ 200,000 ! Any truth to that trivia ?
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3291 on: June 09, 2017, 01:29:52 PM »
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I came across an Associated Press trivia article on D B Cooper. It said NWA clerk said they discovered that they had shorted Cooper by 2 $20 bills so he never got the full $ 200,000 ! Any truth to that trivia ?

I think that's what they discovered.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3292 on: June 09, 2017, 01:55:53 PM »
That's interesting as I wasn't aware of the 2 missing $20 bills given to Cooper. Could this be related to the much debated 2 missing serial numbers ?
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3293 on: June 09, 2017, 02:56:48 PM »
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That's interesting as I wasn't aware of the 2 missing $20 bills given to Cooper. Could this be related to the much debated 2 missing serial numbers ?

We dont know - the poster never explained his entire theory. If I understood what he was driving at, he is saying that 2 missing serial numbers, and two missing bills in the money given to Cooper, MEANS, 'the Tina Bar money was not money given to Cooper'! That's a large leap. But again, I could never get the guy to explain what the connection was or even if what I am saying is what he was saying. He kept throwing in the claim he is a foreigner. I guess he was saying his lack of being able to lay out his whole theory is because of some language problem communicating ... with us? Shutter probably has a different take on this ... I hope so!  ;)   

At the end of the day the man was saying 'the Tina Bar money, is not money that was given to Cooper, in the first place'. I think he was saying ' the Tina Bar Bar is part of the 50k given to NWA but never in Cooper's hands'.

But then the man also said: 'the Tina Bar money is money that fell off the plane later, AFTER Cooper had already bailed.

I got lost in the whole thing.  Whatever his entire theory is?

<edit> This issue has been discussed before going clear back to TestXYZ posts at Dropzone n 2010/2014?. The issue has been known but unresolved for years. Imo sooner or later this will get resolved.

Conspiracy theorists have been claiming for years the TBar money was a plant, of one kind or another, by somebody. The ultimate conspiracy theory would be that the TBar money was planted by the FBI or NWA, or the insurance company or the bank, since (the theory goes) Cooper never had possession of the TBar money in the first place! If you could prove that then you have changed the whole complexion of the Cooper case, forever. I mean, there have been people claiming for years 'the Cooper hijacking was a test or a hoax, and never happened, and the Tina Bar money proves it! Because the TBar money was never in Cooper's hands or even on the airplane!'   
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3294 on: June 09, 2017, 05:27:01 PM »
You are showing some previously latent conspiracy theory talent Georger.  ;)

But the currency chards, their vertical and horizontal distribution and that wonderful TV news video of the dig say no plant.

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3295 on: June 09, 2017, 08:01:02 PM »
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That's interesting as I wasn't aware of the 2 missing $20 bills given to Cooper. Could this be related to the much debated 2 missing serial numbers ?

As far as we know it's only serial numbers that are missing. the current list is short by two numbers...it was brought up by NWO lawyer shortly after the crime...they are probably implying it's short since the list came up short..
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3296 on: June 09, 2017, 11:51:33 PM »
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You are showing some previously latent conspiracy theory talent Georger.  ;)

But the currency chards, their vertical and horizontal distribution and that wonderful TV news video of the dig say no plant.

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 >:D agree.  :))
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3297 on: June 10, 2017, 11:40:33 AM »
If you haven’t read my introductory post it may be best to start there to give a better understanding of why I posted.
My information comes from literally hundreds upon hundreds of hours hunting and fishing the Columbia River both from its banks and from my 16ft Alumaweld.  If you question the amount of time I’ve spent on this river call my wife she’ll be happy to in an aggressive tone tell you all about my dedication to hunting and fishing.
First thing and most important thing to understand about the Columbia river is it flows North from Tina bar and wait for it …… it also flows south from Tina Bar.  This is extremely important in understanding how objects arrive to various locations within the Columbia.  Listen I understand some folks reading already know this so simply skip my posts.  This is for folks who don’t.
As my Alumaweld floated at the surface anchored up the stern would be pointed downstream (North of Tina Bar) as the river would flush out to the ocean.  That was right up until the tide changed!  Yes the Columbia is heavily tidally influenced all the way to Tina Bar and for argument sakes all the way to the Bonneville Dam.  At this point it would turn my boat 180 degrees and the stern was now facing what was upstream (South from Tina Bar).  This could occur for 30 minutes or depending on how heavy the tide was it could occur for 3 hours.  In other words if you looking at a map you could drop a tennis ball at the mouth of the Lewis and watch it float directly up and past Tina Bar.  If you don’t believe me pony up 150 bucks and I’ll meet you at the launch and show you first hand as I still live within driving distance of the Columbia.  With that being said, absolutely the money could have come from the Lewis.  If you have a spare $200,000 dollars drop it in the Lewis up around Aerial and I assure you some amount will end up North and South of the mouth where the Lewis meets the Columbia.  And for the record Tina Bar is not that far South of the Lewis.  With that being said all of the rivers I listed in my introductory post are all in play here.  So when you hear things from long time Copper Sleuths like well there goes the Washougal wash down theory because someone is stating a clue was found upstream from the mouth of the Washougal…  Well no offense their just wrong!  The flow of the river simply runs both ways and takes things with it an incredible distance.

 
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3298 on: June 10, 2017, 12:02:16 PM »
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If you haven’t read my introductory post it may be best to start there to give a better understanding of why I posted.
My information comes from literally hundreds upon hundreds of hours hunting and fishing the Columbia River both from its banks and from my 16ft Alumaweld.  If you question the amount of time I’ve spent on this river call my wife she’ll be happy to in an aggressive tone tell you all about my dedication to hunting and fishing.
First thing and most important thing to understand about the Columbia river is it flows North from Tina bar and wait for it …… it also flows south from Tina Bar.  This is extremely important in understanding how objects arrive to various locations within the Columbia.  Listen I understand some folks reading already know this so simply skip my posts.  This is for folks who don’t.
As my Alumaweld floated at the surface anchored up the stern would be pointed downstream (North of Tina Bar) as the river would flush out to the ocean.  That was right up until the tide changed!  Yes the Columbia is heavily tidally influenced all the way to Tina Bar and for argument sakes all the way to the Bonneville Dam.  At this point it would turn my boat 180 degrees and the stern was now facing what was upstream (South from Tina Bar).  This could occur for 30 minutes or depending on how heavy the tide was it could occur for 3 hours.  In other words if you looking at a map you could drop a tennis ball at the mouth of the Lewis and watch it float directly up and past Tina Bar.  If you don’t believe me pony up 150 bucks and I’ll meet you at the launch and show you first hand as I still live within driving distance of the Columbia.  With that being said, absolutely the money could have come from the Lewis.  If you have a spare $200,000 dollars drop it in the Lewis up around Aerial and I assure you some amount will end up North and South of the mouth where the Lewis meets the Columbia.  And for the record Tina Bar is not that far South of the Lewis.  With that being said all of the rivers I listed in my introductory post are all in play here.  So when you hear things from long time Copper Sleuths like well there goes the Washougal wash down theory because someone is stating a clue was found upstream from the mouth of the Washougal…  Well no offense their just wrong!  The flow of the river simply runs both ways and takes things with it an incredible distance.

Wow ! Finally a local who knows a lot about the Columbia and the area. I have fished and water skied both the Columbia and the Willamette clear up to the falls at Oregon City. Guess what ? The tide comes clear up the Willamette. I had my blankets layed out on a little island just downriver from Clackamette Park where I launched my boat. After a long ski run I returned to find my blanket all wet ! The tide had come in. Nice to have a local who knows the river and area !
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3299 on: June 10, 2017, 12:04:16 PM »
How much time would it take for this to go against the natural flow? I see approx. 8 miles of distance.

what proof do we have the money went into the Lewis river, and how did it get off the bottom of the river.

Sorry, welcome to the forum Trapper....
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