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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

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Voting closed: August 16, 2016, 09:05:28 AM

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georger

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3075 on: May 11, 2017, 03:06:49 PM »
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Ckret,

"They had taken the money home, not aware of the Cooper case, and laid it out in their kitchen to dry. In interviews they described the money as being found in three bundles with the rubber bands wrapped around the money. The bundles broke apart when they handled the money because the bands crumbled to the touch. The money was described to be in varying states of decay from almost whole to scrap. So, when the bundles arrived at the beach the bands were strong enough to keep the bundles together but however long they sat there decayed to the point of crumbling to the touch. Those in the know at the time stated no more than a year."

That's a non forensic description, like an Aunt Jemima description of the atom.

The takeaway is that the family described three bundles w rubber bands..  even if Brian doesn't recall, he was only 8

No! Absolutely NOT!  "The family" didn't know squat. Their descriptions are generic and nothing but a script full of buzz words they have heard since the event happened. It's all propaganda and scripted words the Ingrams are feeding back - after the fact even now years later! Every other word they say is a script.  at the time ....  they didnt anymore have a count than they had the keys to the White House. Harold wanted to dismiss it and burn it! The uncle saved their bacon. Without the uncle it might not have even been saved to take home.

Dont over estimate the Ingrams contribution to the Cooper case. !  Half of what Ckret says the Ingrams saw etc is just preposterous on scientific grounds. Nobody needs the Ingrams or Ckret to inform us about the chemistry of rubber bands.  :))

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3076 on: May 11, 2017, 03:13:04 PM »
Carr explains that there was no uniformity to the bundles...not 50 bundles at 500, and 50 at 1000..could of still had bundles at 2000

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The money was packaged in varying amounts, so one bundle would have $500.00 another $1,000.00, there was no uniformity to it.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3077 on: May 11, 2017, 03:23:13 PM »
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Carr explains that there was no uniformity to the bundles...not 50 bundles at 500, and 50 at 1000..could of still had bundles at 2000

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The money was packaged in varying amounts, so one bundle would have $500.00 another $1,000.00, there was no uniformity to it.

but the bundles started at $2000 prior to the bank guy making irregular..

he would have to have not altered the exact three bundles that went to TBAR.

 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3078 on: May 11, 2017, 03:53:52 PM »
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wow! what a description. hard to believe it was that informal. LETS HAVE A PAR-DY!  O0     

The guy counts out $250k by counting bundles? Who told him how much was in each bundle?   

Duuuh, Why didnt the WSHM lady ask him how he knew how much was in each bundle! ?  >:D :)) :)) :))

Why is this guy counting money at the airport AT THE LAST SECOND  - AT ALL! ?  :o 

Who is fueling the plane - the kids at the candy stand?  Whooo Hoooo Lets have a PAR'DY!  :P

The Petersen interview is complete bullshit!
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3079 on: May 11, 2017, 03:58:19 PM »
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wow! what a description. hard to believe it was that informal. LETS HAVE A PAR-DY!  O0     

The guy counts out $250k by counting bundles? Who told him how much was in each bundle?   

Duuuh, Why didnt the WSHM lady ask him how he knew how much was in each bundle! ?  >:D :)) :)) :))

Why is this guy counting money at the airport AT THE LAST SECOND  - AT ALL! ?  :o 

Who is fueling the plane - the kids at the candy stand?  Whooo Hoooo Lets have a PAR'DY!  :P

The Petersen interview is complete bullshit!

 :)) :)) any further comments or reasons?   ;) ;)
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3080 on: May 11, 2017, 04:03:42 PM »
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wow! what a description. hard to believe it was that informal. LETS HAVE A PAR-DY!  O0     

The guy counts out $250k by counting bundles? Who told him how much was in each bundle?   

Duuuh, Why didnt the WSHM lady ask him how he knew how much was in each bundle! ?  >:D :)) :)) :))

Why is this guy counting money at the airport AT THE LAST SECOND  - AT ALL! ?  :o 

Who is fueling the plane - the kids at the candy stand?  Whooo Hoooo Lets have a PAR'DY!  :P

The Petersen interview is complete bullshit!

 :)) :)) any further comments or reasons?   ;) ;)

It is so inaccurate that even the two ladies talking to him were obviously not believing what he was saying and couldn't pin him down to any specific time for the events he was describing.  Is there a transcript for this at WSHM? 
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3081 on: May 11, 2017, 04:06:54 PM »
He is right about the fuel truck issue's, not about filling them though.

The whole thing is odd. he handled the money, but doesn't have clue who Al Lee is? it's pretty easy to rip apart.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3082 on: May 11, 2017, 04:08:25 PM »
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It is so inaccurate that even the two ladies talking to him were obviously not believing what he was saying and couldn't pin him down to any specific time for the events he was describing.  Is there a transcript for this at WSHM?

I don't think so, she sent me the audio..95% of the Cooper stuff is gone on the site...

Dear Dave:
 
The DB Cooper show was temporary, so all of the material has been taken down. Most of the things were on loan, so they’ve been returned to the owners. I’m copying your message to my co-worker, Gwen Whiting, who worked on the exhibit. She may be able to help you locate the audio you’re looking for.
 
Best regards,
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3083 on: May 11, 2017, 04:21:33 PM »
here is one of her replies...

You are most welcome!!
 
At the time I remember noting the discrepancy between what Loren had said about the ransom dollar amount ($250K) and what the FBI had officially stated ($200K). I can’t recall if it’s on the interview or if this occurred off-tape but we asked him about that a couple times and he was very insistent. While it’s a pretty colorful interview, his memory was pretty sharp on other details that we were able to confirm at the time so I didn’t dismiss that out of hand… just figured that perhaps that $200K figure was out there to weed out the copycats.
 
That’s an interesting question about the bundles…someone must be out there who was working for the bank at the time, probably a few someones, who might be able to verify the standard for bundling money. Has anyone pursued that avenue yet? I feel like I’ve seen a reference to someone who did but it’s not coming to mind just yet…will have to think on that.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3084 on: May 11, 2017, 04:31:42 PM »
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He is right about the fuel truck issue's, not about filling them though.

The whole thing is odd. he handled the money, but doesn't have clue who Al Lee is? it's pretty easy to rip apart.

Going from memory, it was Al Lee who drove the car out to the airliner with the money and the parachutes in the trunk.  Tina met him at the bottom of the stairs and then made several trips carrying the four parachutes, the money bag, and a box, with the four (not six) meals and the IFR charts the crew would need, up to the cabin.  The crew never mentions anything about coffee or a 2.5 gallon coffee container.  And no one ever ate any of the four meals.  The dogs at Reno did that before searching the cabin.

There was no attempt to make a pre-flight inspection of the airliner since Cooper had insisted that nobody get close to the airliner except the fuel trucks and the person delivering the parachutes, money, etc..

The flight crew did not have walkie-talkie radios and Cooper never mentioned wanting a specific amount of fuel in any tank, he wanted all the tanks filled.

Shutter, do you know when this recording was made.  The mention of $250,000 suggests to me that this recording may have been made very recently.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3085 on: May 11, 2017, 04:41:50 PM »
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here is one of her replies...

You are most welcome!!
 
At the time I remember noting the discrepancy between what Loren had said about the ransom dollar amount ($250K) and what the FBI had officially stated ($200K). I can’t recall if it’s on the interview or if this occurred off-tape but we asked him about that a couple times and he was very insistent. While it’s a pretty colorful interview, his memory was pretty sharp on other details that we were able to confirm at the time so I didn’t dismiss that out of hand… just figured that perhaps that $200K figure was out there to weed out the copycats.
 
That’s an interesting question about the bundles…someone must be out there who was working for the bank at the time, probably a few someones, who might be able to verify the standard for bundling money. Has anyone pursued that avenue yet? I feel like I’ve seen a reference to someone who did but it’s not coming to mind just yet…will have to think on that.

Shutter,

I notice that FLYJACK () logged in as a "Guest" at 04:29:38 PM today.  So I strongly suspect that FLYJACK is also "Loren Petersen".

This means that everything FLYJACK has been posting about recently is also probably just nonsense.  Just an attempt at a sick joke?

Please do not post any private information.....I removed the IP address that was made public...

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3086 on: May 11, 2017, 04:55:15 PM »
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here is one of her replies...

You are most welcome!!
 
At the time I remember noting the discrepancy between what Loren had said about the ransom dollar amount ($250K) and what the FBI had officially stated ($200K). I can’t recall if it’s on the interview or if this occurred off-tape but we asked him about that a couple times and he was very insistent. While it’s a pretty colorful interview, his memory was pretty sharp on other details that we were able to confirm at the time so I didn’t dismiss that out of hand… just figured that perhaps that $200K figure was out there to weed out the copycats.
 
That’s an interesting question about the bundles…someone must be out there who was working for the bank at the time, probably a few someones, who might be able to verify the standard for bundling money. Has anyone pursued that avenue yet? I feel like I’ve seen a reference to someone who did but it’s not coming to mind just yet…will have to think on that.

Again, he says he counted out $250 by counting bundles. Clear as day he says that.

*How did he know how much was in each bundle? Who told him?
*How did he know there was $250 in the bag in the first place?
*Somebody 'told him' to count out $250K? Did somebody think there was $600k in the bag?
*If I caught this correct, it was his boss who told him to count out $250k.
* Why is this guy counting out bank bundles in the first place and transferring the money into a second separate container?

The answer and the figure $250k he is using may be his recollection of what Cooper asked for! His story may be a Hodge-podge of collective memories of not only himself but what other people also ... all merged into the first person (I did this-and-that vs this-and-that happened). Old people get things mixed up and sometime put everything into the first person ... as in "and I cried when Mom brought out the cake", meaning what his son did as a baby!   That could account for this whole interview.

People on other websites sometimes say Cooper asked for $250k! These are by and large armchair experts on the Cooper case who also say there was a yellow life raft in Cooper's parachute! Im not joking... check around.   

 
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3087 on: May 11, 2017, 05:09:36 PM »
Is it possible since he admitted to listening on the radio that he was listening in on the company freq? it's like he has bits and pieces of truth with his twist on it?
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3088 on: May 11, 2017, 09:11:43 PM »
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He is right about the fuel truck issue's, not about filling them though.

The whole thing is odd. he handled the money, but doesn't have clue who Al Lee is? it's pretty easy to rip apart.

Going from memory, it was Al Lee who drove the car out to the airliner with the money and the parachutes in the trunk.  Tina met him at the bottom of the stairs and then made several trips carrying the four parachutes, the money bag, and a box, with the four (not six) meals and the IFR charts the crew would need, up to the cabin.  The crew never mentions anything about coffee or a 2.5 gallon coffee container.  And no one ever ate any of the four meals.  The dogs at Reno did that before searching the cabin.

There was no attempt to make a pre-flight inspection of the airliner since Cooper had insisted that nobody get close to the airliner except the fuel trucks and the person delivering the parachutes, money, etc..

The flight crew did not have walkie-talkie radios and Cooper never mentioned wanting a specific amount of fuel in any tank, he wanted all the tanks filled.

Shutter, do you know when this recording was made.  The mention of $250,000 suggests to me that this recording may have been made very recently.

Sounds like he's doing what Georger described, or put his own spin on it..

The coffee might of been for the agents, and he was told to get it..
I still think it's possible he sat in the hanger listening to this as he said, but put himself into the investigation. he had to of heard the things he said from somewhere, possibly over the radio and things stated over the decades gone by?

 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3089 on: May 11, 2017, 09:23:19 PM »
Ckret said that the "order per serial number was never documented"

If that is TRUE then based on the way they accounted for the 15 non-DBC bundles (only top and bottom bill number per bundle), it would have been impossible to remove those 1500 bills from the list.

Either Ckret is wrong OR they had no way to eliminate the 1500 bills correctly.

Ckret,

"Thanks for the breakdown, the only thing I can think of is a clarification; I know what your saying when you write, "the money is in the same order as when it was handed to Cooper" but the order per serial number was never documented. There is no indication the money was re-bundled (by DBC).
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