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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

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Voting closed: August 16, 2016, 09:05:28 AM

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FLYJACK

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3060 on: May 11, 2017, 11:25:43 AM »
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Gwen Whiting believes it's possible that $250,000 was given to Cooper to weed out suspects...this would be something only the hijacker, and the FBI knew?

Don't believe so, the docs from WSHS show receipts for $200k and that lawyer acknowledging bundles were "left in bag" in context of the bill elimination process.

The FBI file also confirms the $200 from the $250k, too much evidence supports $200k
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3061 on: May 11, 2017, 11:29:41 AM »
The file is still uploading. it's over 17 minutes long. I found his story very odd (full of hot air) when I first heard it, but some of it does make sense...
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3062 on: May 11, 2017, 11:46:49 AM »
This is huge,,

That bill list with the red dots is alpha numeric..  no way they can eliminate those 1500 bills from that list.. they can only be eliminated from a list in the original physical order.

If the FBI/Bank printed out the Micro in alpha numeric and not used the original order then tried to eliminate the 1500 non-DBC bills that would be a catastrophic error. The FBI would have non DBC bills listed and DBC bills removed.

 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3063 on: May 11, 2017, 11:56:03 AM »
 
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« Reply #3064 on: May 11, 2017, 12:45:56 PM »
Interesting interview, he claims he saw $250k in the bag delivered to DBC not $200k but there is no way for him to know that unless he counted every irregular bundle, so probably an assumption.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3065 on: May 11, 2017, 01:28:11 PM »
Might someone have pinched some of the money?

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When I worked in a public defenders office, small time drug dealers frequently told me that the inventoried amount of cash taken from them was waaaaay (thousands) less than the cops actually took. I said you have a choice, we can raise it in court and with PD internal affairs, but if we do, the judge will no longer view you as a low level hand to mouth street dealer... or you can just stay quiet about it.

What was even more disturbing is that they often claimed the amount of drugs inventoried was far smaller then was actually taken from them on arrest. Sure they were crooks, but they had no reason to lie about the drug pilfering. That was definitely not something you'd call to the judge's attention as the penalties went way up for larger amounts.

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3066 on: May 11, 2017, 01:56:29 PM »
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The only people that saw the money come out of the ground was the Ingrams. Their comments about rubber bands is obscure at best!

This is why I keep saying nobody really got the answers, or asked the right questions. if they did, they might of faded over time. I wish we could get some direct answers from Brian..'the bands crumbled when touched" "still had the rubber bands" "clumps of money" 'petrified" etc. etc.

The documented evidence shows the bills were in bundles of $2,000. Carr appears to claim they were not. I haven't read anything (to date) of anyone else backing Carr's claim...I really don't see anything other than Carr's claim possibly being inaccurate...

Brian was 8 years old - I doubt he knew what was going on or remembers any real details except what people were doing and maybe said. He describes his Dad as being sort of ambivalent and confused at first (burn the thing?). He says it was his uncle who identified the stuff as money and said "wait! ... don't burn it!" and told Brian to dig deeper to see what-all was there. That story is confirmed by another family relative I talked to. Brian told me a number of times he just doesn't remember details about the money itself. My impression is Tom got the same results with Brian, for example 'had no idea where he found the money during their visit to Tina Bar'. I had to ask Brian to call his mother and ask her specific questions. At no time was I allowed to talk to Pat Ingram myself. Everything had to go through Brian. What I finally got from Brian's Mom through Brian was that the money had come out of the sand in a number of pieces, three to five pieces. All of the pieces stuck together bills which Brian has described as being "meshed together".

I asked Brian many times to identify or describe the 'rubber bands'. What he actually describes is not functional rubber bands but brittle remnants in a line on the surface of one bill that 'his uncle' identified as a rubber band - or where a rubber band had been. It was the uncle who put his finger on 'the band or band-line' and rubber, and the result was 'it turned to dust'. This description is consistent with how crystallized rubber (bands) would react.

At length they stuck the pieces of money of they found into a sandwich bag and went home.             
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3067 on: May 11, 2017, 02:00:06 PM »
How did Tom come to his 'rotation" configuration if they came out of the sand in pieces?
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3068 on: May 11, 2017, 02:15:32 PM »
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wow! what a description. hard to believe it was that informal. LETS HAVE A PAR-DY!  O0     

The guy counts out $250k by counting bundles? Who told him how much was in each bundle?   

Duuuh, Why didnt the WSHM lady ask him how he knew how much was in each bundle! ?  >:D :)) :)) :))

Why is this guy counting money at the airport AT THE LAST SECOND  - AT ALL! ?  :o 

Who is fueling the plane - the kids at the candy stand?  Whooo Hoooo Lets have a PAR'DY!  :P
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3069 on: May 11, 2017, 02:22:17 PM »
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How did Tom come to his 'rotation" configuration if they came out of the sand in pieces?

I dont know but whatever the Ingrams found and the number of pieces they pulled out of sand, you see the result on the FBI table (Getty image).

The group or groups must have looked like wet dark wood or something. Without the uncle's intervention it might have been tossed aside then tossed on the fire after they got the fire going! Harold seems to have been totally clueless at first until the uncle and maybe Brian told him to look closer! 

Did anyone bother to talk to the uncle to get a better description of what happened and what it looked like? I dont think so!
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3070 on: May 11, 2017, 02:33:02 PM »
Brian described it as 'petrified" you can see that by looking at the sides of the bundles. if we have multiple bundles coming out of the sand, I don't see how anyone could tell how they were prior to being disturbed. you could try and place them back into place close enough to how they were found, I guess...
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3071 on: May 11, 2017, 02:49:32 PM »
Ckret,

"They had taken the money home, not aware of the Cooper case, and laid it out in their kitchen to dry. In interviews they described the money as being found in three bundles with the rubber bands wrapped around the money. The bundles broke apart when they handled the money because the bands crumbled to the touch. The money was described to be in varying states of decay from almost whole to scrap. So, when the bundles arrived at the beach the bands were strong enough to keep the bundles together but however long they sat there decayed to the point of crumbling to the touch. Those in the know at the time stated no more than a year."
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3072 on: May 11, 2017, 02:49:54 PM »
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Brian described it as 'petrified" you can see that by looking at the sides of the bundles. if we have multiple bundles coming out of the sand, I don't see how anyone could tell how they were prior to being disturbed. you could try and place them back into place close enough to how they were found, I guess...

well all of this is *post hoc on Brian's part. Pieces of a script he has learned since the events happened and he was eight years old! When he was 8 standing there I doubt he even knew what *petrified* meant - he may not know now!

If there is anything we are learning about this case it is that this whole thing was about as crude and screwy as things can get. The right hand barely knew and often did not know, what the left hand was doing. Comic and tragic all together.   
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3073 on: May 11, 2017, 02:54:04 PM »
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Ckret,

"They had taken the money home, not aware of the Cooper case, and laid it out in their kitchen to dry. In interviews they described the money as being found in three bundles with the rubber bands wrapped around the money. The bundles broke apart when they handled the money because the bands crumbled to the touch. The money was described to be in varying states of decay from almost whole to scrap. So, when the bundles arrived at the beach the bands were strong enough to keep the bundles together but however long they sat there decayed to the point of crumbling to the touch. Those in the know at the time stated no more than a year."

That's a non forensic description, like an Aunt Jemima description of the atom.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #3074 on: May 11, 2017, 02:56:51 PM »
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Ckret,

"They had taken the money home, not aware of the Cooper case, and laid it out in their kitchen to dry. In interviews they described the money as being found in three bundles with the rubber bands wrapped around the money. The bundles broke apart when they handled the money because the bands crumbled to the touch. The money was described to be in varying states of decay from almost whole to scrap. So, when the bundles arrived at the beach the bands were strong enough to keep the bundles together but however long they sat there decayed to the point of crumbling to the touch. Those in the know at the time stated no more than a year."

That's a non forensic description, like an Aunt Jemima description of the atom.

The takeaway is that the family described three bundles w rubber bands..  even if Brian doesn't recall, he was only 8.

290 bills for 3 bundles = regular 100/bundle

if the bundles were irregular (500's and 1000's) there would be more than 3 bundles
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