does the actual order even matter, what difference does it make if they re-bundled them, they still have the numbers?

I just caught the fact of them stating the order was not tampered with...

Well the belief or the assertion is, the Ingram bills were in the same order as when given to Cooper. That would imply Cooper and nobody else had altered the bundles, or had a chance to alter the bundles by the time the bundles entered the environment (Nature). That might imply Cooper lost the money soon after 11-24-71. Then of course how does this money make its way to Tina Bar?

But obviously one wants to be sure the Ingram find was money given to Cooper, in the first place. In other words that it is money that was part of the money given to NWA (under loan from SeaFirst) and given to Cooper, and covered by the insurer. That directly affects any settlement claim. And obviously Ingram wants to be sure his bills are part of the ransom that was delivered to Cooper by Tina, on the plane .... just as the FBI said the Ingram find was. The status of the Ingram money and its value are directly intertwined, just like a real Renoir vs something else.       

Can someone check WSHS site, it appears they took down a lot of Cooper stuff. I remember a guy talking about the FBI coming into the hanger with the money, I believe he stated it had $250,000 in the bag....I think I have the recording on my other computer, but the hard drive is damaged 

Good point! Why would they do that!! will PM you. 

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I just caught the fact of them stating the order was not tampered with...

Well the belief or the assertion is, the Ingram bills were in the same order as when given to Cooper. That would imply Cooper and nobody else had altered the bundles, or had a chance to alter the bundles by the time the bundles entered the environment (Nature). That might imply Cooper lost the money soon after 11-24-71. Then of course how does this money make its way to Tina Bar?

But obviously one wants to be sure the Ingram find was money given to Cooper, in the first place. In other words that it is money that was part of the money given to NWA (under loan from SeaFirst) and given to Cooper, and covered by the insurer. That directly affects any settlement claim. And obviously Ingram wants to be sure his bills are part of the ransom that was delivered to Cooper by Tina, on the plane .... just as the FBI said the Ingram find was. The status of the Ingram money and its value are directly intertwined, just like a real Renoir vs something else.       

Let my try again. I am not making any claim against anyone but looking for an explanation. Maybe it is something simple?


The $250k regular bundled bills were photo'd and on micro in order by the Bank (employee A) prior to NORJAK.


The FBI (and Bank guy B) made $200k DBC bundles irregular, that would re-order them.

They deducted 1500 non-DBC $20 bills from that micro list to = 10000 $20 bills in order.

The TBAR bundles were regular and in order. They checked them against the list (removed 1500 bills) and order generated by the Bank employee A.

As far as I can tell there was only one pre-NORJAK ordered micro list.

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I just caught the fact of them stating the order was not tampered with...

Well the belief or the assertion is, the Ingram bills were in the same order as when given to Cooper. That would imply Cooper and nobody else had altered the bundles, or had a chance to alter the bundles by the time the bundles entered the environment (Nature). That might imply Cooper lost the money soon after 11-24-71. Then of course how does this money make its way to Tina Bar?

But obviously one wants to be sure the Ingram find was money given to Cooper, in the first place. In other words that it is money that was part of the money given to NWA (under loan from SeaFirst) and given to Cooper, and covered by the insurer. That directly affects any settlement claim. And obviously Ingram wants to be sure his bills are part of the ransom that was delivered to Cooper by Tina, on the plane .... just as the FBI said the Ingram find was. The status of the Ingram money and its value are directly intertwined, just like a real Renoir vs something else.       

Let my try again. I am not making any claim against anyone but looking for an explanation. Maybe it is something simple?


The $250k regular bundled bills were photo'd and on micro in order by the Bank (employee A) prior to NORJAK.


The FBI made $200k DBC bundles irregular, that would re-order them.

They deducted 1500 $20 non-DBC $20 bills from that micro list to = 10000 $20 bills in order.

The TBAR bundles were regular and in order. They checked them against the list (removed 1500 bills) and order generated by the Bank employee A.

As far as I can tell there was only one pre-NORJAK ordered micro list.

Ok. Original microfilm list by bank = $250k.

$250k delivered in a bag to Seatak by someone. Handed over to a NWO employee who walked to the hanger with a bag containing $250k.

How and who removed $50k so $200k is given to Cooper? And who and how is that accounted for and where does the $50k not used go, by whom! ?

The next day Hoover orders an FBI list of $200k bills given Cooper, be made. That list made into a pamphlet is what RH eventually uses to document the Ingram bills.

? ? ? ? ?

 

Perhaps I'm alone here but there's not a doubt in my mind that the Tina Bar money find was indeed part of Cooper's loot !

Kermit,

You are not alone here and your comments just prove you are sane.

I don't think the money found on the beach is anything but ransom money from the hijacking. the problem I see is they claim to have bundled it two different ways...the serial numbers show up on the 34 pages of numbers, it's the fact of the FBI claiming they were bundled in different values...some with $1000, and some with $500...if they mixed them up, they would of had to make a new list other than what the bank had or they wouldn't have known the bills were still in the original order when given to Cooper...

Shutter, I don't think you quite grasp the "problem" it is a bit complicated.. it took me a few tries to even see the problem. They only had the pre NORJAK list on micro.

The TBAR money was regular bundles and in order. The DBC money was irregular and not in order.

The DBC bill list may be in error,

Here is the WSHS COOPER file link and a letter supporting my "query".. there were bundles left behind, not given to DBC and the guy is questioning the integrity of the amended list based on "deducting the bills" from the micro.

The lawyer is questioning NWA about the integrity of the amended DBC list. BOOOOOOOMMM bundles were left in the bag.. those bills needed to be removed from the micro list.

get it here..
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It shows they took to many bills out. they were $40 short of 200k

Yes, but it supports the questionable process and demonstrates room for error. It confirms at least two errors were made editing the micro list (deducting the left behind bundle #'s). THAT is significant. That error was only caught because it was 2 bills short. There is no way to catch the wrong bill numbers being deducted.

QUESTIONED THE ACCURACY OF DEDUCTING THE BILL'S LEFT BEHIND in the bag.

There was ONLY one list on micro for $250k made prior to NORJAK, regular bundles and in order.

15 bundes of $20's were left behind (non-DBC money), they needed to be deducted from the micro list.

They made the DBC bundles irregular and out of order.. 

The TBAR bundles were regular and in order.  <<< that was checked against the pre NORJAK micro (which was to have 1500 bills removed)


There is a "possibility" that the TBAR bundles came from the 15 regular and sequential bundles left behind and were not given to DBC which were irregular and mixed sequence.