Is this report true or false? plus the frags for third bundle it suggests TBAR was regular bundles not irregular..

$250k ransom stash bundles were regular $20 in 100's.
The DBC money was claimed to be made "irregular" changing order and size, the unused 15 bundles of money remained regular.

"Ingram’s family gave the money to the FBI who then confirmed the money was a portion of the ransom demanded by 1971 skyjacker D.B. Cooper. The two packets each contained 100 $20 FRNs and a third packet of 90, all arranged in the same order as when given to Cooper."

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Is this report true or false? plus the frags for third bundle it suggests TBAR was regular bundles not irregular..

$250k ransom stash bundles were regular $20 in 100's.
The DBC money was claimed to be made "irregular" changing order and size, the unused 15 bundles of money remained regular.

"Ingram’s family gave the money to the FBI who then confirmed the money was a portion of the ransom demanded by 1971 skyjacker D.B. Cooper. The two packets each contained 100 $20 FRNs and a third packet of 90, all arranged in the same order as when given to Cooper."

Incomprehensible.

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"Ingram’s family gave the money to the FBI who then confirmed the money was a portion of the ransom demanded by 1971 skyjacker D.B. Cooper. The two packets each contained 100 $20 FRNs and a third packet of 90, all arranged in the same order as when given to Cooper."

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Is this report true or false? plus the frags for third bundle it suggests TBAR was regular bundles not irregular..

$250k ransom stash bundles were regular $20 in 100's.
The DBC money was claimed to be made "irregular" changing order and size, the unused 15 bundles of money remained regular.

"Ingram’s family gave the money to the FBI who then confirmed the money was a portion of the ransom demanded by 1971 skyjacker D.B. Cooper. The two packets each contained 100 $20 FRNs and a third packet of 90, all arranged in the same order as when given to Cooper."

Incomprehensible.

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"Ingram’s family gave the money to the FBI who then confirmed the money was a portion of the ransom demanded by 1971 skyjacker D.B. Cooper. The two packets each contained 100 $20 FRNs and a third packet of 90, all arranged in the same order as when given to Cooper."

to my knowledge the count above is basically accurate. The count comes from the FBI because the Ingrams presented no count. What the Ingrams presented to Himmelsbach was a shoebox containing groups of money they had separated intending to take the money to a bank for redemption. There is nothing in the FBI docs I have seen that indicates the Ingrams even had a count. The Ingrams indicated they had pulled somewhere between 3 to 5 groups of money out of the sand several (meaning 'two') of which were bundles with deteriorated rubber bands still visible around two of the groups. No actual count was possible because a number of bills were stuck together. After several days Crystal Ingram delivered at least two more bills the Ingrams had held back for souvenirs. The first group of the Ingram bills had already been sent off to the lab in Washington for analysis. When Crystal Ingram brought in several more bills they were sent in to the lab separately. At the lab there was finger printing and other work done ...

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It doesn't make sense. The rubber band inquiry exposed an apparent flaw.

A. The $250k was was photo'd and bundled. ($230k of it in $20's in regular x100/bundles = $2000 each)
B. The $200k was taken for DBC
C. The remaining $30k was recorded (top and bottom bill) to remove bill serial numbers from FBI list. (the other $20k was in $10's so ignored)
D. Carr (and bank guy) claim the DBC money was rebundled in irregular $500 or $1000 bundles, this would alter the sequence.
E. TBAR money is found. It is regular bundles 3x 100 = $2000 each, matches FBI serial numbers and recorded sequence.

D and E seem incompatible. How can they be rationalized.

either,

Carr was wrong.
The 3 TBAR bundles just happened to be ones that were not rebundled to be irregular.
The TBAR money wasn't part of DBC but was from that other recorded $30k.

Some other explanation?

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It doesn't make sense. The rubber band inquiry exposed an apparent flaw.

A. The $250k was was photo'd and bundled. ($230k of it in $20's in regular x100/bundles = $2000 each)
B. The $200k was taken for DBC
C. The remaining $30k was recorded (top and bottom bill) to remove bill serial numbers from FBI list. (the other $20k was in $10's so ignored)
D. Carr (and bank guy) claim the DBC money was rebundled in irregular $500 or $1000 bundles, this would alter the sequence.
E. TBAR money is found. It is regular bundles 3x 100 = $2000 each, matches FBI serial numbers and recorded sequence.

D and E seem incompatible. How can they be rationalized.

either,

Carr was wrong.
The 3 TBAR bundles just happened to be ones that were not rebundled to be irregular.
The TBAR money wasn't part of DBC but was from that other recorded $30k.

Some other explanation?

I now see your point. How many lists of money were there? The only list I know about is a list which was published and should add up to $200K.  Or am I wrong about that?

If there is more than one list then which list do the Ingram numbers match?  I have always assumed they match a list that adds up to the $200k that was given to Cooper? If the Ingram numbers match some other list of money not given to Cooper then there is a big problem!

The only published FBI list is an edited version of the original photo'd version. They removed 1500 bill numbers. << there is no way to verify that they did this correctly. If not, then the published list was incorrect and included non DBC money.

I assume the Ingram money matched the published/edited list.

The $250k bill's were on micro but not published, it is all explained in the FBI files.

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It doesn't make sense. The rubber band inquiry exposed an apparent flaw.

A. The $250k was was photo'd and bundled. ($230k of it in $20's in regular x100/bundles = $2000 each)
B. The $200k was taken for DBC
C. The remaining $30k was recorded (top and bottom bill) to remove bill serial numbers from FBI list. (the other $20k was in $10's so ignored)
D. Carr (and bank guy) claim the DBC money was rebundled in irregular $500 or $1000 bundles, this would alter the sequence.
E. TBAR money is found. It is regular bundles 3x 100 = $2000 each, matches FBI serial numbers and recorded sequence.

D and E seem incompatible. How can they be rationalized.

either,

Carr was wrong.
The 3 TBAR bundles just happened to be ones that were not rebundled to be irregular.
The TBAR money wasn't part of DBC but was from that other recorded $30k.

Some other explanation?

I now see your point. How many lists of money were there? The only list I know about is a list which was published and should add up to $200K.  Or am I wrong about that?

If there is more than one list then which list do the Ingram numbers match?  I have always assumed they match a list that adds up to the $200k that was given to Cooper? If the Ingram numbers match some other list of money not given to Cooper then there is a big problem!

The only published FBI list is an edited version of the original photo'd version. They removed 1500 bill numbers. << there is no way to verify that they did this correctly. If not, then the published list was incorrect and included non DBC money.

I assume the Ingram money matched the published/edited list.

Have you talked to Hom about this? I have a very high regard for his work - did he look into this ??

no, I have no clue who he is, I just saw his stuff a few days ago and it matched some of my research on the Airtairs

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It doesn't make sense. The rubber band inquiry exposed an apparent flaw.

A. The $250k was was photo'd and bundled. ($230k of it in $20's in regular x100/bundles = $2000 each)
B. The $200k was taken for DBC
C. The remaining $30k was recorded (top and bottom bill) to remove bill serial numbers from FBI list. (the other $20k was in $10's so ignored)
D. Carr (and bank guy) claim the DBC money was rebundled in irregular $500 or $1000 bundles, this would alter the sequence.
E. TBAR money is found. It is regular bundles 3x 100 = $2000 each, matches FBI serial numbers and recorded sequence.

D and E seem incompatible. How can they be rationalized.

either,

Carr was wrong.
The 3 TBAR bundles just happened to be ones that were not rebundled to be irregular.
The TBAR money wasn't part of DBC but was from that other recorded $30k.

Some other explanation?

I now see your point. How many lists of money were there? The only list I know about is a list which was published and should add up to $200K.  Or am I wrong about that?

If there is more than one list then which list do the Ingram numbers match?  I have always assumed they match a list that adds up to the $200k that was given to Cooper? If the Ingram numbers match some other list of money not given to Cooper then there is a big problem!

The only published FBI list is an edited version of the original photo'd version. They removed 1500 bill numbers. << there is no way to verify that they did this correctly. If not, then the published list was incorrect and included non DBC money.

I assume the Ingram money matched the published/edited list.

Have you talked to Hom about this? I have a very high regard for his work - did he look into this ??

no, I have no clue who he is, I just saw his stuff a few days ago and it matched some of my research

Hominid. I will write him tomorrow or call him. But I do see your point. There were lists sent to major banks years ago - some still exist. It would be interesting to compare one of those lists to the 'published' (redacted?) list you refer to. Why would the FBI remove 1500 numbers, unless it represented bills in excess of the $200k given to Cooper? Maybe that is what you are saying ...

 

The published list and bank lists are probably both the edited versions. The original even had $20k of $10 notes.

The original $250k list was photo'd on micro, they needed to remove the 1500 $20 bills that did not go to DBC. I doubt that there is any original "Micro" version published/made public with all $230k of $20's.

The only one released is probably the edited version.

They used a sketchy system to record and account for those non-DBC 1500 bills.

Keep in mind that Brian didn't get all the Cooper cash back that he found..the original number was $5,800. PCGS found an additional 35 serial numbers the FBI overlooked prior to giving the bills back. the insurance company got some of the bills so they must have extra numbers as well. the amount is already over $6,000 for 3 bundles..

Amount of original count $5,800
35 additional serial numbers = $700
Total now approx. $6,5000

How many of the bills were sent to the lab, they also overlooked additional bills stuck together, something you would think they would of caught? could some of the bundles have "bank bands" on them, while others didn't. this could also make it appear to be "random" ?

At least two bundles have been described as regular in 100's and they claimed the bill #'s were in same order as the FBI list (amended one).

There may be a simple explanation,

I rechecked the article and it doesn't claim new bills found but new serial numbers identified.

So, you don't add them to the $5800 total. Bills may have been previously counted but serial numbers unidentified/obscured.