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Robert99 wrote,,

FLYJACK,

Do banks in Canada always use paper bands?  In my judgment, Tina was just saying that the bills were in bundles were held together by heavy duty rubber bands typical of what she had seen in banks in the USA.

You might be right, TINA may have meant the heavy duty wide bands, we don't know Kaye didn't use the wide style rubber bands. And banks always use their bands in denominated bundles. Just not convinced yet..

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And it is absolutely NOT true that "banks always use denomination marked bands on counted bundles" in the USA.  New bills received direct from the Federal Reserve, or wherever they come from, may have paper bands.  But those paper bands come off as the bills are put into use, and while paper bands may be put on bills that have been in circulation, the bands do not necessarily include the information you specified.

Yes, they do if the bundles are counted, they are banded with count. Circulated or not. New Fed Reserve bundles have their unique band. Standard bank practice. Without them would be an exception. In large sums like $250,000 they need to be able to count the money by bundles, now it is possible they were removed for some reason.

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Cooper's original statement about money was dictated to Florence [see page 23, FBI File SE-164-81] and specified that he wanted $200,000 "in cash".  He did not specify a denomination or even that it was to be "American money".

There is another more detailed thread on this, your statement is correct, but out of context. The pilots used the term US/American currency long before the destination Mexico City was ever mentioned. They are American why would they use it. But, this from FBI files "He later told TINA that he wanted $200,000 in circulated U.S. currency, two back and two front parachutes, and fuel trucks to meet the plane when it landed at Seattle." Beyond the original note he was communicating with the pilots verbally via TINA. Using "US/American currency" is consistent with a foreigner, doesn't mean he has to be but it is supportive.

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Due to some previous ransom type situations, the FBI in Seattle had arranged for a local bank to have a "fund" of money set aside that was limited to three yearly "series" with the bill serial numbers recorded on microfilm in order to simplify tracing it.  When the airliner was hijacked, the bank and the FBI then bundled up the $200,000 in irregular size bundles so that the hijacker would think the bills were untraceable.  Everyone involved in the operation said the bundles used rubber bands, and not paper bands, in order not to tip off the hijacker that ever bill he had was traceable.

Now this is fascinating, the Banks had $250,000 set aside in case of these situations They had pre-recorded all serial numbers sequentially on micro. Gave DBC $200,000 and separating the $50,000. To account for the removed bills, they recorded the bill numbers for the $20 packs from the top and bottom of each bundle or 100 bills/pack = ($2000). Only $30k of the non-DBC bundles were $20's. So, they were in 100 bill bundles of $2000. They apparently went back to the micro data and removed the sequences of 100 for each bundle that had been left making up the $30,000 or 15 bundles to create a new DBC bill list. Seems like room for error there. Now, I have read the claims that the DBC bundles were irregular sizes but haven't confirmed that. Not claiming the sizes weren't altered, just haven't come across it yet. The TBAR money was 3 bundles plus some missing/spoilage/frags = $5800 that suggest regular sized bundles aka 100 x $20 bills =$2000 each. Something is inconsistent.

The original $230,000 ($20's) was in 100x$20x115 =200k plus 30k remainder
The TBAR money suggests it was in 100x$20x3 bundles=$5800 plus spoilage/frags =$6000

Was the DBC money irregularly bundled?, if so the bank denomination bands would have been removed, but if not then TINA might have been correct.

And it is technically possible that they messed up the deduction of the $20 bill numbers from the microfile data and the DBC bill list is wrong. There is no way to track and confirm their work. Deducting bill #'s sounds really sketchy.

Was the DBC money irregularly bundled?, if so the bank denomination bands would have been removed

If  you mean irregular amounts in each bundle then Yes. READ THE THREAD.

Each bill was photographed & serial number recorded at the bank then the bills were assembled into bundles by one guy who wrapped each bundle with several rubber bands. This is how the Ingram bills were compared to the original list and found to be in the same order as when Cooper received the money.     

I never said there weren't rubber bands, I believe there were but where does.. wrapped with multiple rubber bands come from? If that was during recording then the bundles were regular.

and, I outlined the bill list process in my post above which exposed issues.

The recorded bills totalled $250k on micro, there ended up being $30k in 20's not given to DBC, they manually recorded the top and bottom bill's serial number of those 15 bundles to then deduct them and the random numbers in between from the DBC money and create a "revised" bill list. Bill serial numbers were random.

That means the $20's were in regular bundles of 100 after they were recorded. The Ingram find also appeared to be in 3x regular bundles of 100. Where does the irregular bundles come from?

If the bundles were made irregular it means the bundles were unwrapped and rewrapped after they were initially recorded and wrapped. <<<I am looking for source for this claim

and the process of recording a top number and bottom number in 15 stacks of 100 random $20 bills then deducting from the micro to create a DBC is theoretically sound but uncheckable and potentially a source of error.

Anybody see this point..

all Bank emergency stashed bundles = $250k recorded on Micro then wrapped with at least rubber bands
the $20 bills made up $230k of that $250k (the rest was $10's)
$200k of $20's taken to DBC
$30k of $20's left, top and bottom bill number of regular bundles recorded, 15 bundles of 100 count $20 bills = regular bundles
those $30k of randomly numbered $20's in bundles of 100 were deducted from the original micro list as they were NOT given to DBC
Ingram's find appears to be 3x 100 count of $20's = regular bundles with rubber bands


So, the original sequentially photographed randomly numbered bill list on micro included 15 regular bundles of 100x $20's that DBC never received. The process of deducting them from the list is uncheckable, very sketchy and opens up the theoretical possibility that the Ingram money wasn't from the $200k Cooper money but the other $30k. I don't actually believe that but there is a theoretical path and I am trying to make a point. Recorded money was in regular bundles 100x$20 (excluding the $10's), Cooper money was claimed irregular but Ingram money appeared to be regular. Something isn't clear here.

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Robert99 wrote,,

FLYJACK,

Do banks in Canada always use paper bands?  In my judgment, Tina was just saying that the bills were in bundles were held together by heavy duty rubber bands typical of what she had seen in banks in the USA.

You might be right, TINA may have meant the heavy duty wide bands, we don't know Kaye didn't use the wide style rubber bands. And banks always use their bands in denominated bundles. Just not convinced yet..

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And it is absolutely NOT true that "banks always use denomination marked bands on counted bundles" in the USA.  New bills received direct from the Federal Reserve, or wherever they come from, may have paper bands.  But those paper bands come off as the bills are put into use, and while paper bands may be put on bills that have been in circulation, the bands do not necessarily include the information you specified.

Yes, they do if the bundles are counted, they are banded with count. Circulated or not. New Fed Reserve bundles have their unique band. Standard bank practice. Without them would be an exception. In large sums like $250,000 they need to be able to count the money by bundles, now it is possible they were removed for some reason.

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Cooper's original statement about money was dictated to Florence [see page 23, FBI File SE-164-81] and specified that he wanted $200,000 "in cash".  He did not specify a denomination or even that it was to be "American money".

There is another more detailed thread on this, your statement is correct, but out of context. The pilots used the term US/American currency long before the destination Mexico City was ever mentioned. They are American why would they use it. But, this from FBI files "He later told TINA that he wanted $200,000 in circulated U.S. currency, two back and two front parachutes, and fuel trucks to meet the plane when it landed at Seattle." Beyond the original note he was communicating with the pilots verbally via TINA. Using "US/American currency" is consistent with a foreigner, doesn't mean he has to be but it is supportive.

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Due to some previous ransom type situations, the FBI in Seattle had arranged for a local bank to have a "fund" of money set aside that was limited to three yearly "series" with the bill serial numbers recorded on microfilm in order to simplify tracing it.  When the airliner was hijacked, the bank and the FBI then bundled up the $200,000 in irregular size bundles so that the hijacker would think the bills were untraceable.  Everyone involved in the operation said the bundles used rubber bands, and not paper bands, in order not to tip off the hijacker that ever bill he had was traceable.

Now this is fascinating, the Banks had $250,000 set aside in case of these situations They had pre-recorded all serial numbers sequentially on micro. Gave DBC $200,000 and separating the $50,000. To account for the removed bills, they recorded the bill numbers for the $20 packs from the top and bottom of each bundle or 100 bills/pack = ($2000). Only $30k of the non-DBC bundles were $20's. So, they were in 100 bill bundles of $2000. They apparently went back to the micro data and removed the sequences of 100 for each bundle that had been left making up the $30,000 or 15 bundles to create a new DBC bill list. Seems like room for error there. Now, I have read the claims that the DBC bundles were irregular sizes but haven't confirmed that. Not claiming the sizes weren't altered, just haven't come across it yet. The TBAR money was 3 bundles plus some missing/spoilage/frags = $5800 that suggest regular sized bundles aka 100 x $20 bills =$2000 each. Something is inconsistent.

The original $230,000 ($20's) was in 100x$20x115 =200k plus 30k remainder
The TBAR money suggests it was in 100x$20x3 bundles=$5800 plus spoilage/frags =$6000

Was the DBC money irregularly bundled?, if so the bank denomination bands would have been removed, but if not then TINA might have been correct.

And it is technically possible that they messed up the deduction of the $20 bill numbers from the microfile data and the DBC bill list is wrong. There is no way to track and confirm their work. Deducting bill #'s sounds really sketchy.

Was the DBC money irregularly bundled?, if so the bank denomination bands would have been removed

If  you mean irregular amounts in each bundle then Yes. READ THE THREAD.

Each bill was photographed & serial number recorded at the bank then the bills were assembled into bundles by one guy who wrapped each bundle with several rubber bands. This is how the Ingram bills were compared to the original list and found to be in the same order as when Cooper received the money.     

I never said there weren't rubber bands, I believe there were but where does.. wrapped with multiple rubber bands come from? If that was during recording then the bundles were regular.

and, I outlined the bill list process in my post above which exposed issues.

The recorded bills totalled $250k on micro, there ended up being $30k in 20's not given to DBC, they manually recorded the top and bottom bill's serial number of those 15 bundles to then deduct them and the random numbers in between from the DBC money and create a "revised" bill list. Bill serial numbers were random.

That means the $20's were in regular bundles of 100 after they were recorded. The Ingram find also appeared to be in 3x regular bundles of 100. Where does the irregular bundles come from?

If the bundles were made irregular it means the bundles were unwrapped and rewrapped after they were initially recorded and wrapped. <<<I am looking for source for this claim

and the process of recording a top number and bottom number in 15 stacks of 100 random $20 bills then deducting from the micro to create a DBC is theoretically sound but uncheckable and potentially a source of error.

Anybody see this point..

all Bank emergency stashed bundles = $250k recorded on Micro then wrapped with at least rubber bands
the $20 bills made up $230k of that $250k (the rest was $10's)
$200k of $20's taken to DBC
$30k of $20's left, top and bottom bill number of regular bundles recorded, 15 bundles of 100 count $20 bills = regular bundles
those $30k of randomly numbered $20's in bundles of 100 were deducted from the original micro list as they were NOT given to DBC
Ingram's find appears to be 3x 100 count of $20's = regular bundles with rubber bands


So, the original sequentially photographed randomly numbered bill list on micro included 15 regular bundles of 100x $20's that DBC never received. The process of deducting them from the list is uncheckable, very sketchy and opens up the theoretical possibility that the Ingram money wasn't from the $200k Cooper money but the other $30k. I don't actually believe that but there is a theoretical path and I am trying to make a point. Recorded money was in regular bundles 100x$20 (excluding the $10's), Cooper money was claimed irregular but Ingram money appeared to be regular. Something isn't clear here.

FLYJACK,

Where does your $250,000 number come from?  There is absolutely nothing to support your idea that such an amount ever left the bank or was received by NWA.

All of the people involved in getting the money to NWA says it was $200,000 that left the bank and that NWA signed for.  I believed NWA's insurance company reimbursed them for $180,000 of that amount.  The remaining $20,000 (or 10 percent of the total) was the deductible under the insurance policy.

It is in the FBI files,

I never said $250k left the bank, the $200k for DBC came from a designated stack of $250k that was photographed to create the bill list.

$250,000 was kept aside by the banks in case of any ransom situation, that entire amount (230k in 20's and 20k in 10's) was sequentially photographed and on micro prior to NORJAK, it was in regular bundles of 100's for the 20's. $200k was taken from that and given to DBC, so the recorded micro had photographs of all bills including the ones DBC never received. To create an accurate bill list they needed to deduct from the list the $30k of $20 bills DBC didn't receive..

everybody with me..

This gets sketchy, they took the remaining $30k in 20's which was in 15 regular bundles of 100 random bills, noted the top and bottom bill then compared to the photographed micro list and removed the bill's in between the noted number's to establish a revised bill list. That would be 1500 $20 bills that were to be removed from the list. We assume they did this correctly but have no way to check. If they made an error then the list would include bill's randomly numbered recorded in physical sequence that were not given to DBC.

The bundles were regular when initially photographed, micro'd and wrapped, the Ingram money appeared to be regular. Where did the irregular claim come from, source.

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Robert99 wrote,,

FLYJACK,

Do banks in Canada always use paper bands?  In my judgment, Tina was just saying that the bills were in bundles were held together by heavy duty rubber bands typical of what she had seen in banks in the USA.

You might be right, TINA may have meant the heavy duty wide bands, we don't know Kaye didn't use the wide style rubber bands. And banks always use their bands in denominated bundles. Just not convinced yet..

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And it is absolutely NOT true that "banks always use denomination marked bands on counted bundles" in the USA.  New bills received direct from the Federal Reserve, or wherever they come from, may have paper bands.  But those paper bands come off as the bills are put into use, and while paper bands may be put on bills that have been in circulation, the bands do not necessarily include the information you specified.

Yes, they do if the bundles are counted, they are banded with count. Circulated or not. New Fed Reserve bundles have their unique band. Standard bank practice. Without them would be an exception. In large sums like $250,000 they need to be able to count the money by bundles, now it is possible they were removed for some reason.

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Cooper's original statement about money was dictated to Florence [see page 23, FBI File SE-164-81] and specified that he wanted $200,000 "in cash".  He did not specify a denomination or even that it was to be "American money".

There is another more detailed thread on this, your statement is correct, but out of context. The pilots used the term US/American currency long before the destination Mexico City was ever mentioned. They are American why would they use it. But, this from FBI files "He later told TINA that he wanted $200,000 in circulated U.S. currency, two back and two front parachutes, and fuel trucks to meet the plane when it landed at Seattle." Beyond the original note he was communicating with the pilots verbally via TINA. Using "US/American currency" is consistent with a foreigner, doesn't mean he has to be but it is supportive.

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Due to some previous ransom type situations, the FBI in Seattle had arranged for a local bank to have a "fund" of money set aside that was limited to three yearly "series" with the bill serial numbers recorded on microfilm in order to simplify tracing it.  When the airliner was hijacked, the bank and the FBI then bundled up the $200,000 in irregular size bundles so that the hijacker would think the bills were untraceable.  Everyone involved in the operation said the bundles used rubber bands, and not paper bands, in order not to tip off the hijacker that ever bill he had was traceable.

Now this is fascinating, the Banks had $250,000 set aside in case of these situations They had pre-recorded all serial numbers sequentially on micro. Gave DBC $200,000 and separating the $50,000. To account for the removed bills, they recorded the bill numbers for the $20 packs from the top and bottom of each bundle or 100 bills/pack = ($2000). Only $30k of the non-DBC bundles were $20's. So, they were in 100 bill bundles of $2000. They apparently went back to the micro data and removed the sequences of 100 for each bundle that had been left making up the $30,000 or 15 bundles to create a new DBC bill list. Seems like room for error there. Now, I have read the claims that the DBC bundles were irregular sizes but haven't confirmed that. Not claiming the sizes weren't altered, just haven't come across it yet. The TBAR money was 3 bundles plus some missing/spoilage/frags = $5800 that suggest regular sized bundles aka 100 x $20 bills =$2000 each. Something is inconsistent.

The original $230,000 ($20's) was in 100x$20x115 =200k plus 30k remainder
The TBAR money suggests it was in 100x$20x3 bundles=$5800 plus spoilage/frags =$6000

Was the DBC money irregularly bundled?, if so the bank denomination bands would have been removed, but if not then TINA might have been correct.

And it is technically possible that they messed up the deduction of the $20 bill numbers from the microfile data and the DBC bill list is wrong. There is no way to track and confirm their work. Deducting bill #'s sounds really sketchy.

Was the DBC money irregularly bundled?, if so the bank denomination bands would have been removed

If  you mean irregular amounts in each bundle then Yes. READ THE THREAD.

Each bill was photographed & serial number recorded at the bank then the bills were assembled into bundles by one guy who wrapped each bundle with several rubber bands. This is how the Ingram bills were compared to the original list and found to be in the same order as when Cooper received the money.     

I never said there weren't rubber bands, I believe there were but where does.. wrapped with multiple rubber bands come from? If that was during recording then the bundles were regular.

and, I outlined the bill list process in my post above which exposed issues.

The recorded bills totalled $250k on micro, there ended up being $30k in 20's not given to DBC, they manually recorded the top and bottom bill's serial number of those 15 bundles to then deduct them and the random numbers in between from the DBC money and create a "revised" bill list. Bill serial numbers were random.

That means the $20's were in regular bundles of 100 after they were recorded. The Ingram find also appeared to be in 3x regular bundles of 100. Where does the irregular bundles come from?

If the bundles were made irregular it means the bundles were unwrapped and rewrapped after they were initially recorded and wrapped. <<<I am looking for source for this claim

and the process of recording a top number and bottom number in 15 stacks of 100 random $20 bills then deducting from the micro to create a DBC is theoretically sound but uncheckable and potentially a source of error.

Anybody see this point..

all Bank emergency stashed bundles = $250k recorded on Micro then wrapped with at least rubber bands
the $20 bills made up $230k of that $250k (the rest was $10's)
$200k of $20's taken to DBC
$30k of $20's left, top and bottom bill number of regular bundles recorded, 15 bundles of 100 count $20 bills = regular bundles
those $30k of randomly numbered $20's in bundles of 100 were deducted from the original micro list as they were NOT given to DBC
Ingram's find appears to be 3x 100 count of $20's = regular bundles with rubber bands


So, the original sequentially photographed randomly numbered bill list on micro included 15 regular bundles of 100x $20's that DBC never received. The process of deducting them from the list is uncheckable, very sketchy and opens up the theoretical possibility that the Ingram money wasn't from the $200k Cooper money but the other $30k. I don't actually believe that but there is a theoretical path and I am trying to make a point. Recorded money was in regular bundles 100x$20 (excluding the $10's), Cooper money was claimed irregular but Ingram money appeared to be regular. Something isn't clear here.

FLYJACK,

Where does your $250,000 number come from?  There is absolutely nothing to support your idea that such an amount ever left the bank or was received by NWA.

All of the people involved in getting the money to NWA says it was $200,000 that left the bank and that NWA signed for.  I believed NWA's insurance company reimbursed them for $180,000 of that amount.  The remaining $20,000 (or 10 percent of the total) was the deductible under the insurance policy.

It is in the FBI files,

I never said $250k left the bank, the $200k for DBC came from a designated stack of $250k that was photographed to create the bill list.

$250,000 was kept aside by the banks in case of any ransom situation, that entire amount (230k in 20's and 20k in 10's) was sequentially photographed and on micro prior to NORJAK, it was in regular bundles of 100's for the 20's. $200k was taken from that and given to DBC, so the recorded micro had photographs of all bills including the ones DBC never received. To create an accurate bill list they needed to deduct from the list the $30k of $20 bills DBC didn't receive..

everybody with me..

This gets sketchy, they took the remaining $30k in 20's which was in 15 regular bundles of 100 random bills, noted the top and bottom bill then compared to the photographed micro list and removed the bill's in between the noted number's to establish a revised bill list. That would be 1500 $20 bills that were to be removed from the list. We assume they did this correctly but have no way to check. If they made an error then the list would include bill's randomly numbered recorded in physical sequence that were not given to DBC.

The bundles were regular when initially photographed, micro'd and wrapped, the Ingram money appeared to be regular. Where did the irregular claim come from, source.

FLYJACK,

Basically, you are claiming that some of the bills listed on the FBI's list of serial numbers were not given to Cooper.  Even if true, and you don't have anything to support your claim, it doesn't make a damn bit of difference one way or the other since most of the bills were never found.  You should also be aware that all of the bills that were found with identifiable serial numbers were on the FBI's list.

Your claim that the Ingram money was in regular (or even sized bundles) is not correct.  You need to visit Tom Kaye's web site and see what he presents there on those bills.

The information that the bills were deliberately placed in uneven sized bundles at the bank, before they were given to Cooper, originates with FBI Agent Larry Carr who posted that information in the original Cooper thread on DropZone.  You should visit both main Cooper threads on DZ.

Here is the FBI file explaining that ALL $250k bill serial numbers were on micro and that 1500 $20 bill serial numbers had to be removed to create an accurate list for the DBC $200k.

FLYJACK,

Your math still doesn't check out.  If they started with $250,000 and deleted $30,000 then that leaves $220,000 while Cooper only got $200,000.  What happened to the other $20,000?

Your whole exercise on this matter doesn't mean anything anyway even if true.  This is a complete waste of time.

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Here is the FBI file explaining that ALL $250k bill serial numbers were on micro and that 1500 $20 bill serial numbers had to be removed to create an accurate list for the DBC $200k.

FLYJACK,

Your math still doesn't check out.  If they started with $250,000 and deleted $30,000 then that leaves $220,000 while Cooper only got $200,000.  What happened to the other $20,000?

Your whole exercise on this matter doesn't mean anything anyway even if true.  This is a complete waste of time.

Robert99, I don't think you understand this issue.

I realize this is a bit complicated but everyone needs to clearly understand this process.

The other $20,000 was in $10's so they just ignored it..

The FBI bill list included 1500 non $20 DBC bills. They used a sketchy, unverifiable system to amend the list.

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Robert99 wrote,,

FLYJACK,

Do banks in Canada always use paper bands?  In my judgment, Tina was just saying that the bills were in bundles were held together by heavy duty rubber bands typical of what she had seen in banks in the USA.

You might be right, TINA may have meant the heavy duty wide bands, we don't know Kaye didn't use the wide style rubber bands. And banks always use their bands in denominated bundles. Just not convinced yet..

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And it is absolutely NOT true that "banks always use denomination marked bands on counted bundles" in the USA.  New bills received direct from the Federal Reserve, or wherever they come from, may have paper bands.  But those paper bands come off as the bills are put into use, and while paper bands may be put on bills that have been in circulation, the bands do not necessarily include the information you specified.

Yes, they do if the bundles are counted, they are banded with count. Circulated or not. New Fed Reserve bundles have their unique band. Standard bank practice. Without them would be an exception. In large sums like $250,000 they need to be able to count the money by bundles, now it is possible they were removed for some reason.

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Cooper's original statement about money was dictated to Florence [see page 23, FBI File SE-164-81] and specified that he wanted $200,000 "in cash".  He did not specify a denomination or even that it was to be "American money".

There is another more detailed thread on this, your statement is correct, but out of context. The pilots used the term US/American currency long before the destination Mexico City was ever mentioned. They are American why would they use it. But, this from FBI files "He later told TINA that he wanted $200,000 in circulated U.S. currency, two back and two front parachutes, and fuel trucks to meet the plane when it landed at Seattle." Beyond the original note he was communicating with the pilots verbally via TINA. Using "US/American currency" is consistent with a foreigner, doesn't mean he has to be but it is supportive.

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Due to some previous ransom type situations, the FBI in Seattle had arranged for a local bank to have a "fund" of money set aside that was limited to three yearly "series" with the bill serial numbers recorded on microfilm in order to simplify tracing it.  When the airliner was hijacked, the bank and the FBI then bundled up the $200,000 in irregular size bundles so that the hijacker would think the bills were untraceable.  Everyone involved in the operation said the bundles used rubber bands, and not paper bands, in order not to tip off the hijacker that ever bill he had was traceable.

Now this is fascinating, the Banks had $250,000 set aside in case of these situations They had pre-recorded all serial numbers sequentially on micro. Gave DBC $200,000 and separating the $50,000. To account for the removed bills, they recorded the bill numbers for the $20 packs from the top and bottom of each bundle or 100 bills/pack = ($2000). Only $30k of the non-DBC bundles were $20's. So, they were in 100 bill bundles of $2000. They apparently went back to the micro data and removed the sequences of 100 for each bundle that had been left making up the $30,000 or 15 bundles to create a new DBC bill list. Seems like room for error there. Now, I have read the claims that the DBC bundles were irregular sizes but haven't confirmed that. Not claiming the sizes weren't altered, just haven't come across it yet. The TBAR money was 3 bundles plus some missing/spoilage/frags = $5800 that suggest regular sized bundles aka 100 x $20 bills =$2000 each. Something is inconsistent.

The original $230,000 ($20's) was in 100x$20x115 =200k plus 30k remainder
The TBAR money suggests it was in 100x$20x3 bundles=$5800 plus spoilage/frags =$6000

Was the DBC money irregularly bundled?, if so the bank denomination bands would have been removed, but if not then TINA might have been correct.

And it is technically possible that they messed up the deduction of the $20 bill numbers from the microfile data and the DBC bill list is wrong. There is no way to track and confirm their work. Deducting bill #'s sounds really sketchy.

Was the DBC money irregularly bundled?, if so the bank denomination bands would have been removed

If  you mean irregular amounts in each bundle then Yes. READ THE THREAD.

Each bill was photographed & serial number recorded at the bank then the bills were assembled into bundles by one guy who wrapped each bundle with several rubber bands. This is how the Ingram bills were compared to the original list and found to be in the same order as when Cooper received the money.     

I never said there weren't rubber bands, I believe there were but where does.. wrapped with multiple rubber bands come from? If that was during recording then the bundles were regular.

and, I outlined the bill list process in my post above which exposed issues.

The recorded bills totalled $250k on micro, there ended up being $30k in 20's not given to DBC, they manually recorded the top and bottom bill's serial number of those 15 bundles to then deduct them and the random numbers in between from the DBC money and create a "revised" bill list. Bill serial numbers were random.

That means the $20's were in regular bundles of 100 after they were recorded. The Ingram find also appeared to be in 3x regular bundles of 100. Where does the irregular bundles come from?

If the bundles were made irregular it means the bundles were unwrapped and rewrapped after they were initially recorded and wrapped. <<<I am looking for source for this claim

and the process of recording a top number and bottom number in 15 stacks of 100 random $20 bills then deducting from the micro to create a DBC is theoretically sound but uncheckable and potentially a source of error.

Anybody see this point..

all Bank emergency stashed bundles = $250k recorded on Micro then wrapped with at least rubber bands
the $20 bills made up $230k of that $250k (the rest was $10's)
$200k of $20's taken to DBC
$30k of $20's left, top and bottom bill number of regular bundles recorded, 15 bundles of 100 count $20 bills = regular bundles
those $30k of randomly numbered $20's in bundles of 100 were deducted from the original micro list as they were NOT given to DBC
Ingram's find appears to be 3x 100 count of $20's = regular bundles with rubber bands


So, the original sequentially photographed randomly numbered bill list on micro included 15 regular bundles of 100x $20's that DBC never received. The process of deducting them from the list is uncheckable, very sketchy and opens up the theoretical possibility that the Ingram money wasn't from the $200k Cooper money but the other $30k. I don't actually believe that but there is a theoretical path and I am trying to make a point. Recorded money was in regular bundles 100x$20 (excluding the $10's), Cooper money was claimed irregular but Ingram money appeared to be regular. Something isn't clear here.

We have a communication problem, in case you care.

I never said there weren't rubber bands, I believe there were but where does.. wrapped with multiple rubber bands come from? If that was during recording then the bundles were regular.

Regardless of what you 'believe', (comma),  there were rubber bands applied by ______________ who created the bundles at the bank.

"where does wrapped with multiple rubber bands come from?".  It comes from the man mention in the sentence above this sentence.

I have no idea what your last sentence means. Please start speaking English here.

Good luck

In addition please slow down with your blizzard of posts, so people can keep up. You have to give people time to read and think. You cant take over this forum.

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Here is the FBI file explaining that ALL $250k bill serial numbers were on micro and that 1500 $20 bill serial numbers had to be removed to create an accurate list for the DBC $200k.

FLYJACK,

Your math still doesn't check out.  If they started with $250,000 and deleted $30,000 then that leaves $220,000 while Cooper only got $200,000.  What happened to the other $20,000?

Your whole exercise on this matter doesn't mean anything anyway even if true.  This is a complete waste of time.

Robert99, I don't think you understand this issue.

I realize this is a bit complicated but everyone needs to clearly understand this process.

The other $20,000 was in $10's so they just ignored it..

The FBI bill list included 1500 non DBC bills. They used a sketchy, unverifiable system to amend the list.

FLYJACK,

It is obvious that YOU don't understand what you are saying.  If you want "hypothetical discussion points", then so state.  But if you want "facts", pay attention to what Larry Carr posted on DropZone.

In the final analysis, I will go along with YOU being a "hypothetical poster" and not a "factual poster".

I am not making any hypothetical claims..

These are facts that I have laid out, you just don't understand them. Carefully read the FBI doc I just posted. That shouldn't be unknown or even debated, but it seems to be not understood.

Read my post above - you have to give people time to read and post - this has become a game you are playing. I could stop you and your game right here but I prefer Shutter does that.

Back off buddy! Give people time to read and think...