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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

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Voting closed: August 16, 2016, 09:05:28 AM

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2925 on: May 07, 2017, 11:04:12 AM »
All these questions and theories scream for our project to begin. we need to get some answers as to just how long the money was on the beach. hopefully, we will be able to open a door to this and find out what happened with this money.

Once the water levels get back to normal we can get the project underway. Kermit, do you have any idea how much longer we have with the water levels? when I looked at the tides, it appears we have to go in the later afternoon. low tide always falls late in the day...
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« Reply #2926 on: May 07, 2017, 11:19:25 AM »
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Rail Lines to T-Bar

I'd love to see some good maps of the rail lines, or better, go on a scouting mission to find the old right-of-way, lines, etc.

When I walked to Frenchman's Bar I only crossed one set of railroad tracks, and they were extensive. It was the line coming into the main facilities at the Port of Vancouver in West Vancouver. I never saw anything looking like an old railroad bed from there north and west.

I've also been to Fazio's a few times and driven around, trying to go down Lower River Road as far as it goes. I never saw any railroad lines anywhere near T-Bar.

Yes, maybe they once existed and may have still been extant in 1971, but I have doubts. So, it feels like a stretch that DBC walked to T-Bar from his LZ, either in Battleground or Ariel.

I agree, very low probability.

The money in the top sediment suggests it was deposited later.

And, you'd have to assume the hijacker landed where he originally intended. I doubt that. I believe that he was delayed struggling with the Airstairs and landed much further South of his intended LZ. I agree with Larry Carr that the hijacker wanted an early exit. The longer he was on the plane the lower the probability of success and knowing where he was jumping.

However using the rail tracks is a an obvious method of escaping an area.

In fact, I have a pic from my foreign suspect that shows a tall mountain in the background and what looks like one of those short rail bridges common in Washington State but I have not been able to identify any matching location, maybe not related to PNW at all.

Your "foreign suspect"?  Ooooooooh -- it sounds so mysterious.  Why?  What's your motivation?  Waiting until your book comes out?  You talk to us like we've a bunch of mystery novel enthusiasts wondering which carrot you're going to dangle next in this whodunit.  Why play the silly games?  It's ridiculous.  Most of us here have been studying the case for years.  There are people here who have forgotten more than you'll ever know about the DBC case.  This little mystery game you're playing might be a bit insulting to them, don't ya think?  You're talking to professionals, not school kids.
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Meyer,

Explain how you or your experts determined the real age of the tie at the time of the hijacking after 45+ years?  Oh wait, you didn't do that, the experts didn't, I did.

Half your comment is a strawman,, No book, too much work little reward and I admit that I am a crappy writer.

Your next point demonstrates a common logical fallacy, "appeal to authority" or perhaps a gluten intolerance.

but here is my logic,

I always believed he died in the jump most likely in the Columbia, still a strong theory.
If so, then the case is essentially unsolvable unless somebody finds evidence by fluke..

If he survived, he was either American or a foreigner.
For 45+ years, the FBI, pro and amateur sleuths including the general American public has failed to produce a good suspect/solve LOOKING IN THE US.

That 45+ year failure is valuable information. So, I adopt the premise to look where everyone else hasn't, for foreigners.

The fact that a 45+ year American centric focus has failed, actually increases the possibility that he may be a foreigner. So, I have focussed where others haven't knowing that the US has been covered extensively and I can't really add to it. If everyone has failed to catch the fish at the south end of the pond for 45+ years, it is rational to fish at the north end. It doesn't matter how smart you are, if you are looking in the wrong place.

I am still building a case for my foreign suspect, also trying to eliminate him. At some point, assuming I haven't eliminated him, I will present all the evidence. He still has private family in Canada and since there is no solve until a suspect is put on the plane via DNA/prints caution is needed.

Binary: he died or survived

If survived
Binary: he is American or foreign

Inference: If US has been thoroughly searched by experts, aka 45+ years of knowledge has failed
then look for a foreigner.

Since, failure is actually beneficial information, you have contributed to the case.




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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2927 on: May 07, 2017, 12:10:56 PM »
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All these questions and theories scream for our project to begin. we need to get some answers as to just how long the money was on the beach. hopefully, we will be able to open a door to this and find out what happened with this money.

Once the water levels get back to normal we can get the project underway. Kermit, do you have any idea how much longer we have with the water levels? when I looked at the tides, it appears we have to go in the later afternoon. low tide always falls late in the day...

nice, this testing might take some time..

now we need to convince Georger to jump into the FBI LZ then walk the 8+ hours along rail tracks to TBAR.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2928 on: May 07, 2017, 12:28:41 PM »
In case you are behind with the project, our goal is to see what happens to the money while buried near the original location. I have purchased some vintage era bills that will be place in the sand and checked every 3 months. several different bundles will be put to the test to insure maximum results. the same rubber bands will also be used in the project. testing on the rubber bands will also be done in a separate experiment..

The problem at the moment is real estate...no visible beach due to extreme tides, so we have to wait till the tides go down....
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2929 on: May 07, 2017, 12:33:11 PM »
Tina claimed she saw the money wrapped in bank type bands, ( different from rubber bands)

"He opened the bag and inspected the contents which Miss Mucklow said she observed was money packed in small packages with bank-type bands around each package."


Was the money wrapped in both bank bands and rubber bands or some in one type and some in the other?

Could TBAR money have been wrapped in bank type bands and they disintegrated affecting their condition? Were the rubber bands added or original to TBAR money?

Was TINA using the term bank bands incorrectly?
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« Reply #2930 on: May 07, 2017, 12:37:07 PM »
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Tina claimed she saw the money wrapped in bank type bands, ( different from rubber bands)

"He opened the bag and inspected the contents which Miss Mucklow said she observed was money packed in small packages with bank-type bands around each package."


Was the money wrapped in both bank bands and rubber bands or some in one type and some in the other?

Could TBAR money have been wrapped in bank type bands and they disintegrated affecting their condition? Were the rubber bands added or original to TBAR money?

Was TINA using the term bank bands incorrectly?

I have brought this up several times...it's the only place this has been mentioned. I also wondered if multiple bundles were put together with rubber bands,,,(stacks of three) are common...
 

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« Reply #2931 on: May 07, 2017, 12:42:12 PM »
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Tina claimed she saw the money wrapped in bank type bands, ( different from rubber bands)

"He opened the bag and inspected the contents which Miss Mucklow said she observed was money packed in small packages with bank-type bands around each package."


Was the money wrapped in both bank bands and rubber bands or some in one type and some in the other?

Could TBAR money have been wrapped in bank type bands and they disintegrated affecting their condition? Were the rubber bands added or original to TBAR money?

Was TINA using the term bank bands incorrectly?

I have brought this up several times...it's the only place this has been mentioned. I also wondered if multiple bundles were put together with rubber bands,,,(stacks of three) are common...

Makes me wonder if the TBAR money could have been a single bank-banded bundle with sub-bundles each with rubber bands,,,  would the bank-band have preserved/protected the rubber bands for some extra time?

or maybe the opposite, multiple bank-banded bundles wrapped by rubber bands?




What effect would bank-bands have on the TBAR money, theories, testing?

Cooper vortex creates more questions than answers..


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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2932 on: May 07, 2017, 03:18:40 PM »
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Tina claimed she saw the money wrapped in bank type bands, ( different from rubber bands)

"He opened the bag and inspected the contents which Miss Mucklow said she observed was money packed in small packages with bank-type bands around each package."


Was the money wrapped in both bank bands and rubber bands or some in one type and some in the other?

Could TBAR money have been wrapped in bank type bands and they disintegrated affecting their condition? Were the rubber bands added or original to TBAR money?

Was TINA using the term bank bands incorrectly?

Listen you egotistical person - Foreigner you have a 'common usage' language problem!

In American 'bank-type bands around each package' means rubber bands. !

We checked. Larry checked. Kaye checked. Tina was consulted. The guy at the bank who wrapped the bundles was interviewed. The Ingrams were consulted. FBI files were consulted. Blah blah blah blah and blah .... 

So I now have to go along with Meyer. You need to REED THE THREAD! I would start at Dropzone.

Because you very clearly do not know WTF you are talking about. You are shooting bad dice and its getting very tedious having to read all of your crap expertise!..

Please translate my post using a translator into whatever language it is you think in.

We say tomatoes - you say and think 'camels'!   That's your problem. 

READ THE THREAD AS MEYER SUGGESTED.

 

   
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« Reply #2933 on: May 07, 2017, 03:33:27 PM »
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Tina claimed she saw the money wrapped in bank type bands, ( different from rubber bands)

"He opened the bag and inspected the contents which Miss Mucklow said she observed was money packed in small packages with bank-type bands around each package."


Was the money wrapped in both bank bands and rubber bands or some in one type and some in the other?

Could TBAR money have been wrapped in bank type bands and they disintegrated affecting their condition? Were the rubber bands added or original to TBAR money?

Was TINA using the term bank bands incorrectly?

Foreigner you have a 'common usage' language problem!

In American 'bank-type bands around each package' means rubber bands. !

We checked. Larry checked. Kaye checked. Tina was consulted. The guy at the bank who wrapped the bundles was interviewed. The Ingrams were consulted. FBI files were consulted. Blah blah blah blah and blah .... 

So I now have to go along with Meyer. You need to REED THE THREAD! I would start at Dropzone.

Because you very clearly do not know WTF you are talking about. You are shooting bad dice and its getting very tedious having to read all of your crap expertise!..

Please translate my post using a translator into whatever language it is you think in.

We say tomatoes - you say and think 'camels'!   That's your problem. 

READ THE THREAD AS MEYER SUGGESTED.

 

 

Why do you have that attitude, ALWAYS MISREPRESENTING OTHERS and attacking as a strawman..

I asked,

"Was TINA using the term bank bands incorrectly?"

Bank bands are NOT rubber bands. YOUR claim and attempted ridicule is FALSE.

Since I don't trust you on anything, you got the evidence wrong on the "US/American" currency issue and fail to acknowledge it, I'll have to do my own work on the bank-bands.

Maybe put me on "ignore" because my existence seems to cause you distress.
 

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« Reply #2934 on: May 07, 2017, 04:04:33 PM »
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Tina claimed she saw the money wrapped in bank type bands, ( different from rubber bands)

"He opened the bag and inspected the contents which Miss Mucklow said she observed was money packed in small packages with bank-type bands around each package."


Was the money wrapped in both bank bands and rubber bands or some in one type and some in the other?

Could TBAR money have been wrapped in bank type bands and they disintegrated affecting their condition? Were the rubber bands added or original to TBAR money?

Was TINA using the term bank bands incorrectly?

Foreigner you have a 'common usage' language problem!

In American 'bank-type bands around each package' means rubber bands. !

We checked. Larry checked. Kaye checked. Tina was consulted. The guy at the bank who wrapped the bundles was interviewed. The Ingrams were consulted. FBI files were consulted. Blah blah blah blah and blah .... 

So I now have to go along with Meyer. You need to REED THE THREAD! I would start at Dropzone.

Because you very clearly do not know WTF you are talking about. You are shooting bad dice and its getting very tedious having to read all of your crap expertise!..

Please translate my post using a translator into whatever language it is you think in.

We say tomatoes - you say and think 'camels'!   That's your problem. 

READ THE THREAD AS MEYER SUGGESTED.

 

 

Why do you have that attitude, ALWAYS MISREPRESENTING OTHERS and attacking as a strawman..

I asked,

"Was TINA using the term bank bands incorrectly?"

Bank bands are NOT rubber bands. YOUR claim and attempted ridicule is FALSE.

Since I don't trust you on anything, you got the evidence wrong on the "US/American" currency issue and fail to acknowledge it, I'll have to do my own work on the bank-bands.

Maybe put me on "ignore" because my existence seems to cause you distress.

FLYJACK,

Even the people who found the money, the Ingram family, said that the rubber bands were still intact.  And Georger lists all the other people who said that it was rubber bands, so just exactly where is your information to the contrary coming from? ::)
 

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« Reply #2935 on: May 07, 2017, 04:59:10 PM »
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Tina claimed she saw the money wrapped in bank type bands, ( different from rubber bands)

"He opened the bag and inspected the contents which Miss Mucklow said she observed was money packed in small packages with bank-type bands around each package."


Was the money wrapped in both bank bands and rubber bands or some in one type and some in the other?

Could TBAR money have been wrapped in bank type bands and they disintegrated affecting their condition? Were the rubber bands added or original to TBAR money?

Was TINA using the term bank bands incorrectly?

Foreigner you have a 'common usage' language problem!

In American 'bank-type bands around each package' means rubber bands. !

We checked. Larry checked. Kaye checked. Tina was consulted. The guy at the bank who wrapped the bundles was interviewed. The Ingrams were consulted. FBI files were consulted. Blah blah blah blah and blah .... 

So I now have to go along with Meyer. You need to REED THE THREAD! I would start at Dropzone.

Because you very clearly do not know WTF you are talking about. You are shooting bad dice and its getting very tedious having to read all of your crap expertise!..

Please translate my post using a translator into whatever language it is you think in.

We say tomatoes - you say and think 'camels'!   That's your problem. 

READ THE THREAD AS MEYER SUGGESTED.

 

 

Why do you have that attitude, ALWAYS MISREPRESENTING OTHERS and attacking as a strawman..

I asked,

"Was TINA using the term bank bands incorrectly?"

Bank bands are NOT rubber bands. YOUR claim and attempted ridicule is FALSE.

Since I don't trust you on anything, you got the evidence wrong on the "US/American" currency issue and fail to acknowledge it, I'll have to do my own work on the bank-bands.

Maybe put me on "ignore" because my existence seems to cause you distress.

FLYJACK,

Even the people who found the money, the Ingram family, said that the rubber bands were still intact.  And Georger lists all the other people who said that it was rubber bands, so just exactly where is your information to the contrary coming from? ::)

Rober99,

I agree the Ingram's found rubber bands on the bills. Tina claimed that she saw "bank-type bands" and I am just trying to sort that out.

Tina may have meant "rubber bands".. but bank-type bands are not rubber bands, why not say "rubber bands".

There may have been both and the bank bands deteriorated by the time the Ingram's found the money.. and banks always use denomination marked bands on bundles.


 

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« Reply #2936 on: May 07, 2017, 07:33:02 PM »
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Tina claimed she saw the money wrapped in bank type bands, ( different from rubber bands)

"He opened the bag and inspected the contents which Miss Mucklow said she observed was money packed in small packages with bank-type bands around each package."


Was the money wrapped in both bank bands and rubber bands or some in one type and some in the other?

Could TBAR money have been wrapped in bank type bands and they disintegrated affecting their condition? Were the rubber bands added or original to TBAR money?

Was TINA using the term bank bands incorrectly?

Foreigner you have a 'common usage' language problem!

In American 'bank-type bands around each package' means rubber bands. !

We checked. Larry checked. Kaye checked. Tina was consulted. The guy at the bank who wrapped the bundles was interviewed. The Ingrams were consulted. FBI files were consulted. Blah blah blah blah and blah .... 

So I now have to go along with Meyer. You need to REED THE THREAD! I would start at Dropzone.

Because you very clearly do not know WTF you are talking about. You are shooting bad dice and its getting very tedious having to read all of your crap expertise!..

Please translate my post using a translator into whatever language it is you think in.

We say tomatoes - you say and think 'camels'!   That's your problem. 

READ THE THREAD AS MEYER SUGGESTED.

 

 

Why do you have that attitude, ALWAYS MISREPRESENTING OTHERS and attacking as a strawman..

I asked,

"Was TINA using the term bank bands incorrectly?"

Bank bands are NOT rubber bands. YOUR claim and attempted ridicule is FALSE.

Since I don't trust you on anything, you got the evidence wrong on the "US/American" currency issue and fail to acknowledge it, I'll have to do my own work on the bank-bands.

Maybe put me on "ignore" because my existence seems to cause you distress.

FLYJACK,

Even the people who found the money, the Ingram family, said that the rubber bands were still intact.  And Georger lists all the other people who said that it was rubber bands, so just exactly where is your information to the contrary coming from? ::)

Rober99,

I agree the Ingram's found rubber bands on the bills. Tina claimed that she saw "bank-type bands" and I am just trying to sort that out.

Tina may have meant "rubber bands".. but bank-type bands are not rubber bands, why not say "rubber bands".

There may have been both and the bank bands deteriorated by the time the Ingram's found the money.. and banks always use denomination marked bands on bundles.

FLYJACK,

Do banks in Canada always use paper bands?  In my judgment, Tina was just saying that the bills were in bundles were held together by heavy duty rubber bands typical of what she had seen in banks in the USA.

And it is absolutely NOT true that "banks always use denomination marked bands on bundles" in the USA.  New bills received direct from the Federal Reserve, or wherever they come from, may have paper bands.  But those paper bands come off as the bills are put into use, and while paper bands may be put on bills that have been in circulation, the bands do not necessarily include the information you specified.

Cooper's original statement about money was dictated to Florence [see page 23, FBI File SE-164-81] and specified that he wanted $200,000 "in cash".  He did not specify a denomination or even that it was to be "American money".

Due to some previous ransom type situations, the FBI in Seattle had arranged for a local bank to have a "fund" of money set aside that was limited to three yearly "series" with the bill serial numbers recorded on microfilm in order to simplify tracing it.  When the airliner was hijacked, the bank and the FBI then bundled up the $200,000 in irregular size bundles so that the hijacker would think the bills were untraceable.  Everyone involved in the operation said the bundles used rubber bands, and not paper bands, in order not to tip off the hijacker that ever bill he had was traceable.   
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2937 on: May 07, 2017, 09:44:10 PM »
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FLYJACK,

Do banks in Canada always use paper bands?  In my judgment, Tina was just saying that the bills were in bundles were held together by heavy duty rubber bands typical of what she had seen in banks in the USA.

You might be right, TINA may have meant the heavy duty wide bands, we don't know Kaye didn't use the wide style rubber bands. And banks always use their bands in denominated bundles. Just not convinced yet..

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And it is absolutely NOT true that "banks always use denomination marked bands on counted bundles" in the USA.  New bills received direct from the Federal Reserve, or wherever they come from, may have paper bands.  But those paper bands come off as the bills are put into use, and while paper bands may be put on bills that have been in circulation, the bands do not necessarily include the information you specified.

Yes, they do if the bundles are counted, they are banded with count. Circulated or not. New Fed Reserve bundles have their unique band. Standard bank practice. Without them would be an exception. In large sums like $250,000 they need to be able to count the money by bundles, now it is possible they were removed for some reason.

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Cooper's original statement about money was dictated to Florence [see page 23, FBI File SE-164-81] and specified that he wanted $200,000 "in cash".  He did not specify a denomination or even that it was to be "American money".

There is another more detailed thread on this, your statement is correct, but out of context. The pilots used the term US/American currency long before the destination Mexico City was ever mentioned. They are American why would they use it. But, this from FBI files "He later told TINA that he wanted $200,000 in circulated U.S. currency, two back and two front parachutes, and fuel trucks to meet the plane when it landed at Seattle." Beyond the original note he was communicating with the pilots verbally via TINA. Using "US/American currency" is consistent with a foreigner, doesn't mean he has to be but it is supportive.


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Due to some previous ransom type situations, the FBI in Seattle had arranged for a local bank to have a "fund" of money set aside that was limited to three yearly "series" with the bill serial numbers recorded on microfilm in order to simplify tracing it.  When the airliner was hijacked, the bank and the FBI then bundled up the $200,000 in irregular size bundles so that the hijacker would think the bills were untraceable.  Everyone involved in the operation said the bundles used rubber bands, and not paper bands, in order not to tip off the hijacker that ever bill he had was traceable.

Now this is fascinating, the Banks had $250,000 set aside in case of these situations They had pre-recorded all serial numbers sequentially on micro. Gave DBC $200,000 and separating the $50,000. To account for the removed bills, they recorded the bill numbers for the $20 packs from the top and bottom of each bundle or 100 bills/pack = ($2000). Only $30k of the non-DBC bundles were $20's. So, they were in 100 bill bundles of $2000. They apparently went back to the micro data and removed the sequences of 100 for each bundle that had been left making up the $30,000 or 15 bundles to create a new DBC bill list. Seems like room for error there. Now, I have read the claims that the DBC bundles were irregular sizes but haven't confirmed that. Not claiming the sizes weren't altered, just haven't come across it yet. The TBAR money was 3 bundles plus some missing/spoilage/frags = $5800 that suggest regular sized bundles aka 100 x $20 bills =$2000 each. Something is inconsistent.

The original $230,000 ($20's) was in 100x$20x115 =200k plus 30k remainder
The TBAR money suggests it was in 100x$20x3 bundles=$5800 plus spoilage/frags =$6000

Was the DBC money irregularly bundled?, if so the bank denomination bands would have been removed, but if not then TINA might have been correct.

And it is technically possible that they messed up the deduction of the $20 bill numbers from the microfile data and the DBC bill list is wrong. There is no way to track and confirm their work. Deducting bill #'s sounds really sketchy.
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« Reply #2938 on: May 07, 2017, 11:06:58 PM »
Interesting read from the files from Colbert about the money find...newspaper stated..

Quote from Agent Tom Nicodemus...

"It indicates there's been a lot of sand shift there and the money has been there for some time"

This puts the dredge in question as well...

One agent at the site said he dug up a formless fist-size clump of money he described " a wadded up bunch of $20 bills"
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« Reply #2939 on: May 07, 2017, 11:49:53 PM »
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Tina claimed she saw the money wrapped in bank type bands, ( different from rubber bands)

"He opened the bag and inspected the contents which Miss Mucklow said she observed was money packed in small packages with bank-type bands around each package."


Was the money wrapped in both bank bands and rubber bands or some in one type and some in the other?

Could TBAR money have been wrapped in bank type bands and they disintegrated affecting their condition? Were the rubber bands added or original to TBAR money?

Was TINA using the term bank bands incorrectly?

Foreigner you have a 'common usage' language problem!

In American 'bank-type bands around each package' means rubber bands. !

We checked. Larry checked. Kaye checked. Tina was consulted. The guy at the bank who wrapped the bundles was interviewed. The Ingrams were consulted. FBI files were consulted. Blah blah blah blah and blah .... 

So I now have to go along with Meyer. You need to REED THE THREAD! I would start at Dropzone.

Because you very clearly do not know WTF you are talking about. You are shooting bad dice and its getting very tedious having to read all of your crap expertise!..

Please translate my post using a translator into whatever language it is you think in.

We say tomatoes - you say and think 'camels'!   That's your problem. 

READ THE THREAD AS MEYER SUGGESTED.

 

 

Why do you have that attitude, ALWAYS MISREPRESENTING OTHERS and attacking as a strawman..

I asked,

"Was TINA using the term bank bands incorrectly?"

Bank bands are NOT rubber bands. YOUR claim and attempted ridicule is FALSE.

Since I don't trust you on anything, you got the evidence wrong on the "US/American" currency issue and fail to acknowledge it, I'll have to do my own work on the bank-bands.

Maybe put me on "ignore" because my existence seems to cause you distress.

FLYJACK,

Even the people who found the money, the Ingram family, said that the rubber bands were still intact.  And Georger lists all the other people who said that it was rubber bands, so just exactly where is your information to the contrary coming from? ::)

Rober99,

I agree the Ingram's found rubber bands on the bills. Tina claimed that she saw "bank-type bands" and I am just trying to sort that out.

Tina may have meant "rubber bands".. but bank-type bands are not rubber bands, why not say "rubber bands".

There may have been both and the bank bands deteriorated by the time the Ingram's found the money.. and banks always use denomination marked bands on bundles.

This is stupid. Why are you still playing with this - to salvage your reputation? This is long settled fact/doctrine.

This is a total waste of everyone's time.