You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

You kind of have to focus on the briefcase. if he used the chest pack, where did the chute go? we don't have a lot of options. Cooper's main goal appears to be the money, if so, he wasn't very prepared if he allows his hard earned money to get away from him, at least prior to departure. the briefcase is smooth, not much would keep it on the stairs. I would tend to believe the stairs were not steady enough to hold the case very long, or even balance the case on them?

I think originally, his intention was to put the money in the chute. that part must not of been thought out due to his getting the wrong bag. he wasn't prepared for that, but separating the money puts it at more risk in my opinion?

Was the money all stuffed in one "container"? pockets? wrapped in pieces of chute? canvas bag? briefcase? chest pack? did he descend forward or backward?

Could he have tripped or fallen in the Airstairs, it isn't inconceivable to imagine a scenario where some money became separated.

Another thing to note, he tried to use the main Airstairs control but failed, returned to comm system and talked to pilots, then went back down the Airstairs to eventually pull the emergency system. Now, if you partially descend the Airstairs loaded up with chute(s) and money how easy is it to turn around and go back to the comm system? The Airstairs are 2' 8" wide between rails.

I have read that ALL the money was about 1 ft x 1 ft x (either 8-9 inches or 1ft).

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

You kind of have to focus on the briefcase. if he used the chest pack, where did the chute go? we don't have a lot of options. Cooper's main goal appears to be the money, if so, he wasn't very prepared if he allows his hard earned money to get away from him, at least prior to departure. the briefcase is smooth, not much would keep it on the stairs. I would tend to believe the stairs were not steady enough to hold the case very long, or even balance the case on them?

I think originally, his intention was to put the money in the chute. that part must not of been thought out due to his getting the wrong bag. he wasn't prepared for that, but separating the money puts it at more risk in my opinion?

Was the money all stuffed in one "container"? pockets? wrapped in pieces of chute? canvas bag? briefcase? chest pack? did he descend forward or backward?

Could he have tripped or fallen in the Airstairs, it isn't inconceivable to imagine a scenario where some money became separated.

Another thing to note, he tried to use the main Airstairs control but failed, returned to comm system and talked to pilots, then went back down the Airstairs to eventually pull the emergency system. Now, if you partially descend the Airstairs loaded up with chute(s) and money how easy is it to turn around and go back to the comm system? The Airstairs are 2' 8" wide between rails.

I have read that ALL the money was about 1 ft x 1 ft x (either 8-9 inches or 1ft).

That's right - if the estimate is correct, the briefcase could have held all of the bundles. So why wasn't it delivered in a briefcase to begin with? 

He tried that, it didn't work.....

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

You kind of have to focus on the briefcase. if he used the chest pack, where did the chute go? we don't have a lot of options. Cooper's main goal appears to be the money, if so, he wasn't very prepared if he allows his hard earned money to get away from him, at least prior to departure. the briefcase is smooth, not much would keep it on the stairs. I would tend to believe the stairs were not steady enough to hold the case very long, or even balance the case on them?

I think originally, his intention was to put the money in the chute. that part must not of been thought out due to his getting the wrong bag. he wasn't prepared for that, but separating the money puts it at more risk in my opinion?

I have to go with Tina's detailed explanation that Cooper tried several containment options - the last one being the rugged bank bag itself. Those bags are made to specs and drop tested. I think Cooper knew that. I think that may be the only reason he didn't complain and "re-demand" the knapsack. Plus knowing how to tie things off with paracord is consistent with WWII parachute training and practice.

If anyone can come up with an FBI record that or an Agent that confirms a briefcase was found at TBar - then so be it!  There is the one witness report that says she saw a man walk out of a field near Ariel with a briefcase in hand. ?

Imagine the effect if Dorwin has said 'human remains were found at Tina Bar'!    There is no question Agents were looking (almost hoping for) the discovery of Cooper's human remains at Tina Bar.

If the money could only talk - 




 

 

Dorwin's comment aside...

What if the hijacker lost a canvas bag with some money in it on the Airstairs descent.. it fell 5-7 minutes later into the Columbia? The retracting Airstairs may have caught it if he descended backwards? and he may have lost far more money than the TBAR find...

I don't believe that the TBAR bundled money could have gone through a dredge unless it had some protective container.

The hijacker was incompetent enough that he couldn't operate the main Airstairs control after being shown by Tina (probably because he didn't press the button on top of the lever). Yet, he is somehow competent enough to secure and maintain control of all the money.

Summation of Flyjack's "explanation"

Flyjack, do I come close to understanding your point of view/explanation for the money find at T-Bar? As below:

1. DB Cooper jumps at Ariel/LZ-A area as is customarily understood.
2. Some money is separated from Cooper upon exiting in some fashion.
3. The separated money leaves the plane after Cooper, perhaps 5-7 minutes or so later.
4. This separated bundle eventually lands in the Columbia River and travels to the T-Bar area.
5. This bundle is most likely protected in some fashion, such as being wrapped in a reserve chute bag or briefcase.
6. This kit-and-caboodle goes through the dredge, circa 1974.
7. Whatever got spit up on T-Bar is eventually found during the Feb 10-12, 1971 period.

Is that the general idea you're espousing?

Just askin'.

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Summation of Flyjack's "explanation"

Flyjack, do I come close to understanding your point of view/explanation for the money find at T-Bar? As below:

1. DB Cooper jumps at Ariel/LZ-A area as is customarily understood.
2. Some money is separated from Cooper upon exiting in some fashion.
3. The separated money leaves the plane after Cooper, perhaps 5-7 minutes or so later.
4. This separated bundle eventually lands in the Columbia River and travels to the T-Bar area.
5. This bundle is most likely protected in some fashion, such as being wrapped in a reserve chute bag or briefcase.
6. This kit-and-caboodle goes through the dredge, circa 1974.
7. Whatever got spit up on T-Bar is eventually found during the Feb 10-12, 1971 period.

Is that the general idea you're espousing?

Just askin'.

Yes, (Feb 10-12, 1980) my point is just that we should question the assumption that the hijacker and all the money MUST HAVE left the plane at exactly the same time. Though reasonable, there is actually no evidence for that.

This "money delayed" explanation makes everything fit.. FBI LZ, V23, TBAR and Dredge

Fallacies do make things fit - sort of! Temporarily. Epicycles by Aristotle was one example. Just toss some facts out and put some false facts in and things will fit, sort of!    Seems to be fashionable these days. 

A more elegant theory is he survived, walked to the Columbia with the money ... or Farflung's solution: he bailed into the Columbia!