Author Topic: Tena Bar Money Find (Read 1256429 times)

paulami · « **Reply #2715 on:** April 04, 2017, 11:00:49 AM »

Is that Ingram interview or the whole episode available online?

Robert99 · « **Reply #2716 on:** April 04, 2017, 12:14:15 PM »

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

337 The barge was probably named "DB Cooper" to give it a long life just like the DB Story. It might last forever!

Bob Sailshaw
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
PS When I view very closely the History Channel 4 hr program, I see the Tina Bar money was a plant by the Father Dwayne Ingram and that is why he told his son exactly where to fine the money. Big question is where did Dwayne get the money. Did DB give it to him that night as a thank-you for driving him to Portland?

Sailshaw, You are a genius. And so was Dwayne Ingram. Who else would have thought of planting the money fragments two feet lower in the sand than the bundles?

I'll bet it took a lot of digging for Dwayne to plant all those fragments at Tina Bar.

georger · « **Reply #2717 on:** April 04, 2017, 12:42:50 PM »

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
337 The barge was probably named "DB Cooper" to give it a long life just like the DB Story. It might last forever!

Bob Sailshaw
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
PS When I view very closely the History Channel 4 hr program, I see the Tina Bar money was a plant by the Father Dwayne Ingram and that is why he told his son exactly where to fine the money. Big question is where did Dwayne get the money. Did DB give it to him that night as a thank-you for driving him to Portland?

Sailshaw, You are a genius. And so was Dwayne Ingram. Who else would have thought of planting the money fragments two feet lower in the sand than the bundles? I'll bet it took a lot of digging for Dwayne to plant all those fragments at Tina Bar.

all in Sailshaw's dream -

If this Sail Shaw has some actual evidence that actually applies to his dream I wish he would provide it, for a change! Otherwise his posts are just the usual Cooper roadkill which I will avoid from here on out. Bye Bye Dreamer!

sailshaw · « **Reply #2718 on:** April 05, 2017, 09:54:13 AM »

Robert99 You say: "Sailshaw, You are a genius. And so was Dwayne Ingram. Who else would have thought of planting the money fragments two feet lower in the sand than the bundles?

I'll bet it took a lot of digging for Dwayne to plant all those fragments at Tina Bar.

"

I say: "It is very possible for Dwayne to have dug too deep a hole at first for the plant to be found and when he took the bundles out of the sack he was carrying them in, all the fragments were left in the sack. So, he places the bundles next to the hole (maybe 2 ft deep ) and shakes all the fragments into the hole followed by enough sand to get the level up high enough for his son to find the bundles (now the hole is only 2 inches deep) and he places the bundles in the shallow hole and covers with the remaining sand. I have been to the exact spot with Meyer Louie and dug in the sand and it would be easy to dig the first deep hole (having not planted money before) but filling it back to a shallow hole would have been a simple thing to do.
Robert you try to not follow my thinking but just try to figure how natural water flow could have placed the fragments under the bundles and with the bundles close to the surface. I think my explanation makes more sense but who really knows other than Dwayne?
Bob Sailshaw
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Robert99 · « **Reply #2719 on:** April 05, 2017, 01:13:45 PM »

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Robert99 You say: "Sailshaw, You are a genius. And so was Dwayne Ingram. Who else would have thought of planting the money fragments two feet lower in the sand than the bundles? I'll bet it took a lot of digging for Dwayne to plant all those fragments at Tina Bar. "

I say: "It is very possible for Dwayne to have dug too deep a hole at first for the plant to be found and when he took the bundles out of the sack he was carrying them in, all the fragments were left in the sack. So, he places the bundles next to the hole (maybe 2 ft deep ) and shakes all the fragments into the hole followed by enough sand to get the level up high enough for his son to find the bundles (now the hole is only 2 inches deep) and he places the bundles in the shallow hole and covers with the remaining sand. I have been to the exact spot with Meyer Louie and dug in the sand and it would be easy to dig the first deep hole (having not planted money before) but filling it back to a shallow hole would have been a simple thing to do.
Robert you try to not follow my thinking but just try to figure how natural water flow could have placed the fragments under the bundles and with the bundles close to the surface. I think my explanation makes more sense but who really knows other than Dwayne?
Bob Sailshaw
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Sailshaw,

I hate to have to tell you this, but you have NOT been to the exact spot where the money was found since it no longer exists. The "spot" where the money was found at Tina Bar is now several feet above the Columbia River's water surface and about 15 to 20 feet from the shore line. So unless you waded out into the river, you did not get very close to the find location.

While I do not subscribe to the dredge theory for getting the money to Tina Bar, I do not know of any natural means for the fragments to be so far below the money bundles. I suspect that there may have been other sand put at Tina Bar prior to the 1974 dredging plus some re-shaping of the beach by earth moving equipment.

georger · « **Reply #2720 on:** April 05, 2017, 01:51:00 PM »

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Robert99 You say: "Sailshaw, You are a genius. And so was Dwayne Ingram. Who else would have thought of planting the money fragments two feet lower in the sand than the bundles? I'll bet it took a lot of digging for Dwayne to plant all those fragments at Tina Bar. "

I say: "It is very possible for Dwayne to have dug too deep a hole at first for the plant to be found and when he took the bundles out of the sack he was carrying them in, all the fragments were left in the sack. So, he places the bundles next to the hole (maybe 2 ft deep ) and shakes all the fragments into the hole followed by enough sand to get the level up high enough for his son to find the bundles (now the hole is only 2 inches deep) and he places the bundles in the shallow hole and covers with the remaining sand. I have been to the exact spot with Meyer Louie and dug in the sand and it would be easy to dig the first deep hole (having not planted money before) but filling it back to a shallow hole would have been a simple thing to do.
Robert you try to not follow my thinking but just try to figure how natural water flow could have placed the fragments under the bundles and with the bundles close to the surface. I think my explanation makes more sense but who really knows other than Dwayne?
Bob Sailshaw
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Sailshaw,

I hate to have to tell you this, but you have NOT been to the exact spot where the money was found since it no longer exists. The "spot" where the money was found at Tina Bar is now several feet above the Columbia River's water surface and about 15 to 20 feet from the shore line. So unless you waded out into the river, you did not get very close to the find location.

While I do not subscribe to the dredge theory for getting the money to Tina Bar, I do not know of any natural means for the fragments to be so far below the money bundles. I suspect that there may have been other sand put at Tina Bar prior to the 1974 dredging plus some re-shaping of the beach by earth moving equipment.

The first thing an archaeologist does is 'plot' artifacts found, on a map. We presume, No map of the excavation finds was ever made. No such map or chart has ever surfaced or Ckret would have published it and Kaye would have had to mention it publicly, and Gray would be taunting us with it. The KOMO video was even taken down to remove evidence! If you cant see a thing you cant understand a thing. Someone did a good job of removing all of the evidence, which probably never existed in the first place!.

FLYJACK · « **Reply #2721 on:** April 05, 2017, 03:22:50 PM »

That KATU broadcast was removed "edited" and re-posted..

Click play then click on YOUTUBE logo to play vid, embedded play is disabled

BTW, I always download vids to HD, you never know..

377 · « **Reply #2722 on:** April 05, 2017, 03:43:34 PM »

Thanks FLYJACK, much appreciated. In the video you posted a viewer can clearly see identifiable pieces of currency. The FBI said they were found as deep as three feet.

The extensive vertical and horizontal dispersion of identifiable currency fragments just isn't consistent with a plant.

Brian's Dad sure looked like he was being less than truthful in the HC interview, but the FBI shard field evidence can't be ignored. Maybe Brian's Dad was sweating about something else, not a prearranged "find" by his innocent kid. .

377

FLYJACK · « **Reply #2723 on:** April 05, 2017, 04:48:52 PM »

I have discounted the plant theory entirely,, by Ingram or others..

Another news vid with Ingram and the shoreline search grid with water level.. (half way through vid)

Bruce A. Smith · « **Reply #2724 on:** April 05, 2017, 05:04:41 PM »

Sail, I certainly admire your tenacity for digging in your heels on Pappa Dwayne planting the money. Nice try on offering a simple explanation, too, but as we have discussed many times, the second, underlying shard field is spread over a 40-foot section of beach, according to what FBI agent Dorwin Schroeder told me and what I have written in many places.

So, how come you don't believe what I have written, or what Dorwin told me? You think he got it wrong? If so, why? His memory is faulty at 80+ years? If so, what makes your powers of discernment so unassailable?

377 · « **Reply #2725 on:** April 05, 2017, 05:24:02 PM »

Great video FLYJACK, thanks again.

The door placard has pieces missing. If those missing pieces didn't remain affixed to the door, what is the explanation? Just curious.

377

georger · « **Reply #2726 on:** April 06, 2017, 12:53:50 AM »

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Great video FLYJACK, thanks again.

The door placard has pieces missing. If those missing pieces didn't remain affixed to the door, what is the explanation? Just curious.

377

The missing placard pieces were found at three feet on Tina Bar, 40ft from the Ingram find. Planted by ... Sailshaw and the Ingrams!

Sail was renting a room from the Ingrams at the time!

georger · « **Reply #2727 on:** April 06, 2017, 01:50:43 AM »

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

That KATU broadcast was removed "edited" and re-posted..

Click play then click on YOUTUBE logo to play vid, embedded play is disabled

BTW, I always download vids to HD, you never know..

has been seriously edited with cuts from the original ...

FLYJACK · « **Reply #2728 on:** April 06, 2017, 11:03:36 AM »

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Great video FLYJACK, thanks again.

The door placard has pieces missing. If those missing pieces didn't remain affixed to the door, what is the explanation? Just curious.

377

The Placard find lends support to the FBI flightpath.. that placard is from inside the plane.

IMO, the environment in the aft stairway was more "violent" than generally thought. The released stairs didn't lower enough and the pilot had to slow the plane down for the hijacker to get out. It would have been a struggle to get down those narrow stairs to jump in 2 chutes and dress shoes. The hijacker may have lost some of the money in the briefcase or tied up in a piece of the chute on the way down the stairs, it stayed on the stairs for a few minutes after the hijacker left and dropped into the Columbia, making its way to TBAR.

The side panels shredded.. at 47 seconds in vid

Robert99 · « **Reply #2729 on:** April 06, 2017, 11:47:32 AM »

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Great video FLYJACK, thanks again.

The door placard has pieces missing. If those missing pieces didn't remain affixed to the door, what is the explanation? Just curious.

377

The Placard find lends support to the FBI flightpath.. that placard is from inside the plane.

IMO, the environment in the aft stairway was more "violent" than generally thought. The released stairs didn't lower enough and the pilot had to slow the plane down for the hijacker to get out. It would have been a struggle to get down those narrow stairs to jump in 2 chutes and dress shoes. The hijacker may have lost some of the money in the briefcase or tied up in a piece of the chute on the way down the stairs, it stayed on the stairs for a few minutes after the hijacker left and dropped into the Columbia, making its way to TBAR.

The side panels shredded.. at 47 seconds in vid

FLYJACK,

The placard find location DOES NOT support the FBI flight path. Instead, it supports bypassing Portland on the west side, as does a number of other marks on the so-called "FBI map", witness statements, and flight crew remarks.

If the environment in the aft stairway was as violent as you suggest, no paper bills or any other light weight object is going to stay on those stairs for more than a fraction of a second.

Poll

How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

Author Topic: Tena Bar Money Find (Read 1256429 times)

paulami

Re: Tina Bar Money Find

Robert99

Re: Tina Bar Money Find

georger

Re: Tina Bar Money Find

sailshaw

Re: Tina Bar Money Find

Robert99

Re: Tina Bar Money Find

georger

Re: Tina Bar Money Find

FLYJACK

Re: Tina Bar Money Find

377

Re: Tina Bar Money Find

FLYJACK

Re: Tina Bar Money Find

Bruce A. Smith

Re: Tina Bar Money Find

377

Re: Tina Bar Money Find

georger

Re: Tina Bar Money Find

georger

Re: Tina Bar Money Find

FLYJACK

Re: Tina Bar Money Find

Robert99

Re: Tina Bar Money Find