Author Topic: Tena Bar Money Find (Read 1505139 times)

Shutter · « **Reply #240 on:** November 21, 2014, 04:20:44 PM »

Fair enough response. no matter how you look at "Tina Bar". something is wrong. I just don't believe someone planted the money. if you wish to prove you are alive and well send one of the twenties? why take a chance it gets buried for good? throw off the trail. what trail?

Lets see what else floats in with this story in the future...

georger · « **Reply #241 on:** November 21, 2014, 06:21:12 PM »

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In general, I believe everybody until they prove themselves to be wholly unreliable. However, I hold everything in abeyance, with a pinch of salt always nearby. I call it living (and writing) in the "in-between," a place where someone is authority says something, but it is inconsistent with other findings. That doesn't make one right and the other wrong. Both may be in error, or both partially correct. The key is assessing the totality of the evidence.

In that I find the FBI to be very suspect. Their inconsistencies, lost evidence, and sloppy documentation continues to intensify the more we poke into the depths of Norjak. Is the FBI lying? I don't know. I'm just pointing out the possibilities.

The fact that a lot of FBI agents dodge me or spin their story is a major red flag to me. Why would Lee Dormuth tell me that he "wants nothing to do with it," meaning his sister-in-law Tina Mucklow and Norjak, yet he reads Tina's mail. Plus, his wife chats with Jo at length? Wassup wid dat?

They don't even do the simple stuff, like attending the symposia. Why doesn't Curtis Eng simply give me a call and say: "Here's the story, now cut the crap about cover-ups." ?

You want clarity on the one hand then murky conspiracy titillation on the other. That's a strange mix to reconcile.

When the well gets poisoned people are reluctant to drink from it. And some are prohibited to drink from it!

Bruce A. Smith · « **Reply #242 on:** November 21, 2014, 08:46:32 PM »

I don't see my attempts at clarity AND voicing the possibility of a cover-up as mutually exclusive, G. But it seems that you do. How come?

Norjak is not a tidy case. Lots of slop and goop. Whadda ya gonna do? Me, I just put on my muck boots and stomp around to see what I can find.

Yes, I do agree that I have a certain degree of "poisoned well" issues with interviewees. But it begs the question: Why are so many G-men scaredy cats? Why don't they just tell me what they know, answer my follow-up questions, and be done with the duck and cover routine? Really, what is their problem?

Bruce A. Smith · « **Reply #243 on:** November 21, 2014, 08:49:09 PM »

Can I get an "Amen" on using Tina Bar and putting to rest the use of Tena Bar?

Thanks.

georger · « **Reply #244 on:** November 21, 2014, 11:59:26 PM »

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I don't see my attempts at clarity AND voicing the possibility of a cover-up as mutually exclusive, G. But it seems that you do. How come?

Norjak is not a tidy case. Lots of slop and goop. Whadda ya gonna do? Me, I just put on my muck boots and stomp around to see what I can find.

Yes, I do agree that I have a certain degree of "poisoned well" issues with interviewees. But it begs the question: Why are so many G-men scaredy cats? Why don't they just tell me what they know, answer my follow-up questions, and be done with the duck and cover routine? Really, what is their problem?

I have no answer for this.

Bruce A. Smith · « **Reply #245 on:** November 22, 2014, 02:01:51 AM »

How about a comment, a thought, an opinion?

What do you think is going on at the Bureau regarding Norjak?

georger · « **Reply #246 on:** November 22, 2014, 02:49:20 AM »

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How about a comment, a thought, an opinion?

What do you think is going on at the Bureau regarding Norjak?

I have no idea - maybe it's something the maintenance guy can fix ?

Shutter · « **Reply #247 on:** November 22, 2014, 01:26:53 PM »

The Money Find

It's my opinion the money was not planted near the Columbia river. the following comment is from the lab where the money was tested.

"The only thing in the lab report was that the money was consistent with being submerged in water and that sand recovered off the money was consistent with silt from the Columbia."

"consistent with being submerged" now, if the bag was secured tight from Cooper for the jump most of the money would indeed become compressed, and probably protected in the bag to a certain extent. so, it's not really the case of "how did three bundles arrive on the beach together" the evidence shows it's part of the compressed block of money that was in the bag for several years prior to the D-Day landing

The FBI has a time frame that is getting mighty close to the Columbia river as time has past with new evidence coming into view about the "pressure bump" if we have just a minute or so in error with the time frame of the flight it's possible Cooper went fishing. the odds were extremely high in the past for not having a water landing, evidence suggests other wise.

1) Time frame issues with the flight path.
2) Two versions where the plane was by the pilot & co-pilot.
3) Time frame issues with the jump time that slowly gets closer to the Columbia river.
4) Money found down stream from the known flight path.
5) High water levels could have deposited the money.
6) The dredging operation could have deposited the money.

In my opinion these factors can not be over looked on how it's a mystery where DB Cooper is located?

As I mentioned before, I want to have records showing a plant is not the best option to look at. several people push this idea that could give people the only logical way it arrived on T-Bar. it just doesn't appear that way to me?

Added: The money was still in it's original order when the FBI packed the bag. some 5+ years later and Cooper hasn't touch some, or any of the money? doubtful. I've said it in the past, why not send a 20 to the FBI if one wishes to prove they made it? why take a chance it would get washed out into the Columbia and never seen?

nmiwrecks · « **Reply #248 on:** November 22, 2014, 11:24:35 PM »

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The Money Find

It's my opinion the money was not planted near the Columbia river. the following comment is from the lab where the money was tested.

"The only thing in the lab report was that the money was consistent with being submerged in water and that sand recovered off the money was consistent with silt from the Columbia."

"consistent with being submerged" now, if the bag was secured tight from Cooper for the jump most of the money would indeed become compressed, and probably protected in the bag to a certain extent. so, it's not really the case of "how did three bundles arrive on the beach together" the evidence shows it's part of the compressed block of money that was in the bag for several years prior to the D-Day landing

The FBI has a time frame that is getting mighty close to the Columbia river as time has past with new evidence coming into view about the "pressure bump" if we have just a minute or so in error with the time frame of the flight it's possible Cooper went fishing. the odds were extremely high in the past for not having a water landing, evidence suggests other wise.

1) Time frame issues with the flight path.
2) Two versions where the plane was by the pilot & co-pilot.
3) Time frame issues with the jump time that slowly gets closer to the Columbia river.
4) Money found down stream from the known flight path.
5) High water levels could have deposited the money.
6) The dredging operation could have deposited the money.

In my opinion these factors can not be over looked on how it's a mystery where DB Cooper is located?

As I mentioned before, I want to have records showing a plant is not the best option to look at. several people push this idea that could give people the only logical way it arrived on T-Bar. it just doesn't appear that way to me?

Added: The money was still in it's original order when the FBI packed the bag. some 5+ years later and Cooper hasn't touch some, or any of the money? doubtful. I've said it in the past, why not send a 20 to the FBI if one wishes to prove they made it? why take a chance it would get washed out into the Columbia and never seen?

Shutter · « **Reply #249 on:** November 22, 2014, 11:29:54 PM »

I don't follow. why did you quote the whole thing and not respond to any of it?

nmiwrecks · « **Reply #250 on:** November 23, 2014, 09:16:18 AM »

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I don't follow. why did you quote the whole thing and not respond to any of it?

Computer issues. For some reason my text didn't post. Here is what I wanted to stay:

I agree with your opinion on all counts. I have some experience with things that have been submerged in water and silt for long periods of time and if something is in some kind of container where water flow is impeded, fragile items can remain intact for decades. I was discussing a missing body case with a body recovery expert recently, who commented he was involved in the recovery recently of a man who had been on the bottom of a lake for five years, yet much of his flesh that was protected by his clothing was intact.

Shutter · « **Reply #251 on:** November 23, 2014, 09:25:03 AM »

Ok, I was wondering why you did that. what is your personal opinion of how the money arrived on the beach. I didn't even make the connection of you dealing with ship wrecks and things submerged. sometimes the sharp tools in the shed get dull

nmiwrecks · « **Reply #252 on:** November 23, 2014, 10:19:25 AM »

My opinion is the money bag landed in the Columbia and sank to the bottom and rested there for years. The money bag was breached during dredging operations and the bills were subsequently deposited on the river bank where they were eventually found.

As for the plane's flight path and time and location of the jump, I'm not sure how precise that scary 1970s technology was when it comes to figuring things like when and where the jump happened. It's probably fairly close, but not gospel.

I tend to look at this case with the attitude "sometimes the simplest answer is the correct one".

Shutter · « **Reply #253 on:** November 23, 2014, 10:24:29 AM »

This is a follow up of my post above.

I don't know exactly what is written in "Skyjack" about Kaye mentioning human intervention, but his very own website states the following.

"we can speculate that he must have had some human interaction that could have eventually led to the money being buried on Tena Bar. How the Cooper bundles came to be buried where they were remains as big a mystery as who D.B. Cooper was."

Speculate: form a theory or conjecture about a subject without firm evidence.

Kaye never comes out and says it has to be this option, or shift it into the best option. books are often inaccurate. we see this with "Into The Blast" which is full of inaccuracies. not to mention the multiple versions.

The money and the plane are obviously connected. it doesn't necessarily have to fly over T-Bar in order to end up there. the path is upstream from the find. common sense points to it getting there somewhere upstream. when the FBI's lab clearly states the money was submerged with evidence of the Columbia in it. I can't see a plant connecting the evidence. money by water. missing body possibly near water. enough said?

The path could be off as R99 has claimed. I don't know enough to dismiss his theory, but he is working hard to find answers. something people wish to harp on him about. his efforts exceed common research I can tell you that much. they also go above simple website searches, or anything done online. I value his opinion just as the rest of the members on here.

R99's credentials exceed the ones going against him. his knowledge in this area are far more advanced than most. can he be wrong? sure he can, but I'm not going to ridicule him, and attack him personally for speaking out.

Shutter...

Shutter · « **Reply #254 on:** November 23, 2014, 10:31:40 AM »

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My opinion is the money bag landed in the Columbia and sank to the bottom and rested there for years. The money bag was breached during dredging operations and the bills were subsequently deposited on the river bank where they were eventually found.

As for the plane's flight path and time and location of the jump, I'm not sure how precise that scary 1970s technology was when it comes to figuring things like when and where the jump happened. It's probably fairly close, but not gospel.

I tend to look at this case with the attitude "sometimes the simplest answer is the correct one".

Egg-Zack-Lee

Let me ask you this. could the money survive to a certain extent under water in the bag for 3 years prior to being pulled out by the dredge? that's what I'm not so sure about.

The 1970's technology is questionable. they can't find planes today!

Even proving the money went through the dredge, or washed up doesn't give us the answer needed.

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