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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

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Voting closed: August 16, 2016, 09:05:28 AM

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Re: Tena Bar Money Find - Dredging deposits 1974
« Reply #210 on: October 24, 2014, 02:35:57 AM »
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The Oregon side location was probably selected (in part) because of proximity to the dredging location, which could have been up- or down-river from the part visible in the pic.

The Fazio deposits consisting of 91,100 cubic yards of fill came from between mile markers '96 plus 38 feet and river mile 97 plus 17 feet'.

Maybe the Oregon side deposit is close to this area?

The first attached image shows part of a topo map made initially in 1961 and updated in 1970.  It shows the part of the river where the dredging occurred--basically in the immediate vicinity of Tena Bar.  I added a scale and labels for the "river miles."

The '70 updates in purple show that Tena Bar had been considerably eaten away between '61 and '70.  Note also that shoreline had been much eaten away across the river and a bit downstream.  I think it highly probable that the spoils put on the Oregon side would have been placed there.  Whouldn't necessarily have been deposited the same as at Tena Bar.

The 2nd image is a combination of parts of the '70 and '74 aerial pix we've been dealing with.  Some considerable difference in the '70 and '74 Oregon shorelines is apparent especially on both the upstream and downstream sides of the downstream (north) thing that extends straight out from the shoreline.

Hom, can you send me full size versions of these images. I have a lot of bandwidth here so size is no real issue as long as they dont go over 500mb each ?  RM96-97 is correct as per your image.

 
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Re: Tena Bar Money Find
« Reply #211 on: October 25, 2014, 08:01:19 PM »
I replaced the last photo on the montage from Citizensleuths. the changed photo is on the right. the coords are where Google has placed them. how accurate they are is anyone's guess. the red line is the drainage ditch, or what I thought it was?

Correction made due to a member pointing out my error.....
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Re: Tena Bar Money Find
« Reply #212 on: October 25, 2014, 10:28:36 PM »
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I replaced the last photo on the montage from Websleuths. the changed photo is on the right. the coords are where Google has placed them. how accurate they are is anyone's guess. the red line is the drainage ditch, or what I thought it was?

You don't really mean websleuths, do you?
 

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Re: Tena Bar Money Find
« Reply #213 on: October 25, 2014, 10:59:57 PM »
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I replaced the last photo on the montage from Websleuths. the changed photo is on the right. the coords are where Google has placed them. how accurate they are is anyone's guess. the red line is the drainage ditch, or what I thought it was?

You don't really mean websleuths, do you?


You got me  8)

I meant Citizensleuths photo. I will go to my original post and change it. I always think of Websleuths when talking about Kayes site. I stand corrected.
 

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Re: Tena Bar Money Find
« Reply #214 on: October 26, 2014, 12:19:09 AM »
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I replaced the last photo on the montage from Websleuths. the changed photo is on the right. the coords are where Google has placed them. how accurate they are is anyone's guess. the red line is the drainage ditch, or what I thought it was?

You don't really mean websleuths, do you?


You got me  8)

I meant Citizensleuths photo. I will go to my original post and change it. I always think of Websleuths when talking about Kayes site. I stand corrected.

Shutter, I don't think that the red line you mention is actually a drainage ditch.  On the picture it appears to just be a grassless path or the top of a dirt mound (levee).

The only drainage ditch that I have seen on the Fazio's property is on the north side of, and probably less than 10 feet from, the driveway that leads into the Fazio property where the buildings are located (and north of their sand operation).  The ditch crosses under the North West Lower River Road through a pipe that is only about two feet in diameter.

It is probably unusual to have any water flowing through that pipe (I have never seen an indication of any), but I think the flow would be from the east side to the west side of the road and onto the Fazio property.
 

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Re: Tena Bar Money Find
« Reply #215 on: October 26, 2014, 12:39:15 AM »
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I replaced the last photo on the montage from Websleuths. the changed photo is on the right. the coords are where Google has placed them. how accurate they are is anyone's guess. the red line is the drainage ditch, or what I thought it was?

You don't really mean websleuths, do you?


You got me  8)

I meant Citizensleuths photo. I will go to my original post and change it. I always think of Websleuths when talking about Kayes site. I stand corrected.

Shutter, I don't think that the red line you mention is actually a drainage ditch.  On the picture it appears to just be a grassless path or the top of a dirt mound (levee).

The only drainage ditch that I have seen on the Fazio's property is on the north side of, and probably less than 10 feet from, the driveway that leads into the Fazio property where the buildings are located (and north of their sand operation).  The ditch crosses under the North West Lower River Road through a pipe that is only about two feet in diameter.

It is probably unusual to have any water flowing through that pipe (I have never seen an indication of any), but I think the flow would be from the east side to the west side of the road and onto the Fazio property.

I wasn't sure, but the line can be used to follow the other pics. does the spot appear to be correct with Googles plot?
 

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Re: Tena Bar Money Find
« Reply #216 on: October 26, 2014, 01:05:19 AM »
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I replaced the last photo on the montage from Websleuths. the changed photo is on the right. the coords are where Google has placed them. how accurate they are is anyone's guess. the red line is the drainage ditch, or what I thought it was?

You don't really mean websleuths, do you?


You got me  8)

I meant Citizensleuths photo. I will go to my original post and change it. I always think of Websleuths when talking about Kayes site. I stand corrected.

Shutter, I don't think that the red line you mention is actually a drainage ditch.  On the picture it appears to just be a grassless path or the top of a dirt mound (levee).

The only drainage ditch that I have seen on the Fazio's property is on the north side of, and probably less than 10 feet from, the driveway that leads into the Fazio property where the buildings are located (and north of their sand operation).  The ditch crosses under the North West Lower River Road through a pipe that is only about two feet in diameter.

It is probably unusual to have any water flowing through that pipe (I have never seen an indication of any), but I think the flow would be from the east side to the west side of the road and onto the Fazio property.

I wasn't sure, but the line can be used to follow the other pics. does the spot appear to be correct with Googles plot?

The money location seems to be reasonably correct.

UNRELATED COMPUTER PROBLEM:  At the moment I am having some problems downloading files but I did have a good view of those maps earlier this evening.
 

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Re: Tena Bar Money Find
« Reply #217 on: October 26, 2014, 02:31:53 AM »
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I replaced the last photo on the montage from Websleuths. the changed photo is on the right. the coords are where Google has placed them. how accurate they are is anyone's guess. the red line is the drainage ditch, or what I thought it was?

You don't really mean websleuths, do you?


You got me  8)

I meant Citizensleuths photo. I will go to my original post and change it. I always think of Websleuths when talking about Kayes site. I stand corrected.

Shutter, I don't think that the red line you mention is actually a drainage ditch.  On the picture it appears to just be a grassless path or the top of a dirt mound (levee).

The only drainage ditch that I have seen on the Fazio's property is on the north side of, and probably less than 10 feet from, the driveway that leads into the Fazio property where the buildings are located (and north of their sand operation).  The ditch crosses under the North West Lower River Road through a pipe that is only about two feet in diameter.

It is probably unusual to have any water flowing through that pipe (I have never seen an indication of any), but I think the flow would be from the east side to the west side of the road and onto the Fazio property.

There is a retention ditch here, on this photo. Fazio confirmed that. Forget when it went in but it was a pollution requirement at some point - between pink markers > and <. It's directly behind where the money was supposedly found. The USGS photos 1970-1979 don't seem to show it ?? 
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Re: Tena Bar Money Find - hole dug 1979 usgs photo ?
« Reply #218 on: October 31, 2014, 12:09:08 AM »
Who was digging the hole and why, in the middle of the old north dredge pile just south of the money find, captured by the USGS 9-29-79 5 months before the Ingram money find? Did a meteor strike Tina Bar?   ;D

 
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Re: Tena Bar Money Find - hole dug 1979 usgs photo ?
« Reply #219 on: October 31, 2014, 02:48:18 AM »
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Who was digging the hole and why, in the middle of the old north dredge pile just south of the money find, captured by the USGS 9-29-79 5 months before the Ingram money find? Did a meteor strike Tina Bar?   ;D

The arrow seems to be pointing to a structure.  Based on its white roof and shadow, it could be a ramada type tent used by the local fishermen or sand trampers.  But take a look at those three "dots" on the water line just south of the "$" sign.  They appear to be holes since no structure is evident.
 

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Re: Tena Bar Money Find - hole dug 1979 usgs photo ?
« Reply #220 on: November 01, 2014, 10:33:23 PM »
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Who was digging the hole and why, in the middle of the old north dredge pile just south of the money find, captured by the USGS 9-29-79 5 months before the Ingram money find? Did a meteor strike Tina Bar?   ;D

The arrow seems to be pointing to a structure.  Based on its white roof and shadow, it could be a ramada type tent used by the local fishermen or sand trampers.  But take a look at those three "dots" on the water line just south of the "$" sign.  They appear to be holes since no structure is evident.


Those would have to be pretty big holes to show up from the distance of the satellite, I think it's a mile up?
 

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Re: Tena Bar Money Find
« Reply #221 on: November 01, 2014, 11:11:08 PM »
I took the photo and zoomed in on it and used a mask generator and found what appears to be transparent grid paper overlapping the map? the dark spot in the circle is art of the grid.

The center portion where the grid corners are, or holes seem to be the same color as the circle. could the person who made the circle also dotted the position of the money find that people have claimed was close to the river? I took the portion where it appears a mark was made and put it beside the penciled circle mark is and it matched?

Who circled the map?
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Re: Tena Bar Money Find - hole dug 1979 usgs photo ?
« Reply #222 on: November 02, 2014, 12:06:52 AM »
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Who was digging the hole and why, in the middle of the old north dredge pile just south of the money find, captured by the USGS 9-29-79 5 months before the Ingram money find? Did a meteor strike Tina Bar?   ;D

The arrow seems to be pointing to a structure.  Based on its white roof and shadow, it could be a ramada type tent used by the local fishermen or sand trampers.  But take a look at those three "dots" on the water line just south of the "$" sign.  They appear to be holes since no structure is evident.


Those would have to be pretty big holes to show up from the distance of the satellite, I think it's a mile up?

The 1970s series of pictures we have been looking at here were probably made from aircraft that were flying only a mile or two above the surface and using some relatively high end mapping cameras.
 

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Re: Tena Bar Money Find - hole dug 1979 usgs photo ?
« Reply #223 on: November 02, 2014, 12:46:40 AM »
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Who was digging the hole and why, in the middle of the old north dredge pile just south of the money find, captured by the USGS 9-29-79 5 months before the Ingram money find? Did a meteor strike Tina Bar?   ;D

The arrow seems to be pointing to a structure.  Based on its white roof and shadow, it could be a ramada type tent used by the local fishermen or sand trampers.  But take a look at those three "dots" on the water line just south of the "$" sign.  They appear to be holes since no structure is evident.


Those would have to be pretty big holes to show up from the distance of the satellite, I think it's a mile up?

Those usgs images are aerial not satellite.
 

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Re: Tena Bar Money Find
« Reply #224 on: November 02, 2014, 12:47:14 AM »
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I took the photo and zoomed in on it and used a mask generator and found what appears to be transparent grid paper overlapping the map? the dark spot in the circle is art of the grid.

The center portion where the grid corners are, or holes seem to be the same color as the circle. could the person who made the circle also dotted the position of the money find that people have claimed was close to the river? I took the portion where it appears a mark was made and put it beside the penciled circle mark is and it matched?

Who circled the map?

Took what photo and zoomed it?