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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

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Voting closed: August 16, 2016, 09:05:28 AM

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georger

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2010 on: June 24, 2016, 11:29:15 PM »
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I knew sooner or later video of the money find would show up.....Yahtzee 8) 8) 8) 8)





Fragments now confirmed ... live, as it were! We need to identify the site where he is speaking from.

That kills any recent plant theory! It confirms what Agent Schreuder said. 

This is a major find. Thanks Shutter.  ;)
« Last Edit: June 24, 2016, 11:30:12 PM by georger »
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2011 on: June 24, 2016, 11:42:37 PM »
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I knew sooner or later video of the money find would show up.....Yahtzee 8) 8) 8) 8)





Fragment now confirmed ... live, as it were! We need to identify the site where he is speaking from.

That kills any recent plant theory!

This is a major find. Thanks Shutter.  ;)

Both the TV man and Dorwin Schreuder said that some of the fragments that had just been dug up were 2 to 3 feet deep.  Schreuder also made a guess that those fragments had been there "4, 5, or 6 years".  And of course, the Ingram find was only a couple of inches down with the bills relatively intact compared to the deeper ones.

I think the video and those comments mean that the money bag impacted nearby and that it remained in its impact location for a number of years.  Also that the money itself arrived at different times and possibly years apart.

So to repeat myself once again, Cooper was a no-pull who impacted just upstream of Tina Bar and on reasonably dry land.  He probably landed on the east bank of the Columbia River itself, and near the edge of the channel between Caterpillar Island and the east bank of the Columbia River.  Then at different times, portions of the money went down this channel and came to rest at Tina Bar.

Good job Shutter.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2012 on: June 24, 2016, 11:47:31 PM »
Well, Kenny probably cut some of the money up into those little pieces so that it wouldn't look like a plant. Such a clever clever dude.

Hey, let's all get together and crash the Blevins BBQ!!! We could even sneak Bruce in.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2013 on: June 24, 2016, 11:58:50 PM »
I'm still soaking in the video. lots of clues in there. I wish the agent would of shown the bag of frags the reporter was trying to show the camera. I have to watch it again. the first time was a shocker  C:-)

Regardless to what Bobby Blevins claims, nobody wishes Bryan failure. it would be funny to walk in and say howdy  O0

All wearing "thedbcooperforum.com" shirts  ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2014 on: June 25, 2016, 12:46:08 AM »
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Fragments now confirmed ... live, as it were! We need to identify the site where he is speaking from.

That kills any recent plant theory! It confirms what Agent Schreuder said. 

I'm pretty sure I know where they are. I'll look at the chopper video to confirm. I always thought I seen a Television camera on the beach close to the money find. this confirms that as well.

I'm also trying to locate more video....

I see the video no longer works off of You Tube. I hate when that happens. just click on the You Tube logo in the bottom right to watch it on YT.


UPDATE: They are right at, or very close to the money location. I can see the angled tree in the background...
« Last Edit: June 25, 2016, 12:54:06 AM by Shutter »
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2015 on: June 25, 2016, 02:45:45 AM »
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Fragments now confirmed ... live, as it were! We need to identify the site where he is speaking from.

That kills any recent plant theory! It confirms what Agent Schreuder said. 

I'm pretty sure I know where they are. I'll look at the chopper video to confirm. I always thought I seen a Television camera on the beach close to the money find. this confirms that as well.

I'm also trying to locate more video....

I see the video no longer works off of You Tube. I hate when that happens. just click on the You Tube logo in the bottom right to watch it on YT.


UPDATE: They are right at, or very close to the money location. I can see the angled tree in the background...

This videos is more than I could have wished for. It vindicates several people. We see the actual plastic "check envelopes" Dorwin spoke of and there are many. Hundreds if not thousand of fragments - too many to collect, just as Dorwin said. "We ran out of those check envelopes and had to get more" ... fragments as deep as two to three feet. Fragments from close to the water's edge clear up to the height of the Ingram find. And 'they found part of a decayed stack of bills, but not the size the boy found'. Fragments distributed through different strata laid down over years, apparently.

The boy found $3000 dollars? How do we get to $5800 ?

Given the distribution of fragments through several strata (which equals more than one year) it does not seem likely this money just "washed up from the Columbia", but arrived by some other scenario. Possibly successive deposition events are involved in the area of the Ingram site down to the water's edge distributed through several strata ... from a source nearby like ... the 1974 dredging mound?

But this video supplies new facts to put in place.

Great find Shutter!  :))
« Last Edit: June 25, 2016, 03:47:41 AM by georger »
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2016 on: June 25, 2016, 11:52:03 AM »
The video confirms some things I've said in the past. they are right at the find in the video. I seen the green car parked above the beach. I see the angled tree in the background along with the tree/bush that extends out on the beach.

When you try and look past the trees you should be able to see buildings, but you don't. that because it's further north as I've stated in the past.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2017 on: June 25, 2016, 12:04:19 PM »
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Fragments now confirmed ... live, as it were! We need to identify the site where he is speaking from.

That kills any recent plant theory! It confirms what Agent Schreuder said. 

I'm pretty sure I know where they are. I'll look at the chopper video to confirm. I always thought I seen a Television camera on the beach close to the money find. this confirms that as well.

I'm also trying to locate more video....

I see the video no longer works off of You Tube. I hate when that happens. just click on the You Tube logo in the bottom right to watch it on YT.


UPDATE: They are right at, or very close to the money location. I can see the angled tree in the background...

This videos is more than I could have wished for. It vindicates several people. We see the actual plastic "check envelopes" Dorwin spoke of and there are many. Hundreds if not thousand of fragments - too many to collect, just as Dorwin said. "We ran out of those check envelopes and had to get more" ... fragments as deep as two to three feet. Fragments from close to the water's edge clear up to the height of the Ingram find. And 'they found part of a decayed stack of bills, but not the size the boy found'. Fragments distributed through different strata laid down over years, apparently.

The boy found $3000 dollars? How do we get to $5800 ?

Given the distribution of fragments through several strata (which equals more than one year) it does not seem likely this money just "washed up from the Columbia", but arrived by some other scenario. Possibly successive deposition events are involved in the area of the Ingram site down to the water's edge distributed through several strata ... from a source nearby like ... the 1974 dredging mound?

But this video supplies new facts to put in place.

Great find Shutter!  :))

Perhaps the earth moving machinery that was used to disperse the dredge spoils could have mixed the layers?

I think this is one of the most significant recent finds, if not the most significant.  It puts to rest the ridiculous notion that the money was planted by someone digging a hole and burying "three bundolas"  or throwing a bag full of cash into the river.  I want to hear the opinions of others and give this some time to sink in.  With small fragments being found some distance for the Ingram money stack, the dredge and earth moving equipment may be worth looking at.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2018 on: June 25, 2016, 12:17:25 PM »
I was confused about the statement of $3,000, but started wondering if they miscounted due to the bills be stuck together, or does it explain the "wad" of cash the FBI found?

Tom Kaye stated that the layer they believed was the dredge layer was really the foundation, or part of Tina Bar. this ran up and down the entire beach. I have reports of the sediments matching the top layer described in the Palmer report. I'm still not sold on the dredge theory, but I don't think it should be ruled out just yet. R99 speaks a lot of sense in this mess, so as usual it leaves the head spinning trying to figure this all out.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2019 on: June 25, 2016, 12:23:10 PM »
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The video confirms some things I've said in the past. they are right at the find in the video. I seen the green car parked above the beach. I see the angled tree in the background along with the tree/bush that extends out on the beach.

When you try and long past the trees you should be able to see buildings, but you don't. that because it's further north as I've stated in the past.

That video was apparently made on the afternoon and early evening of Tuesday, February 12, 1980.  The Ingrams had delivered the money to the Portland FBI office that morning.

The reporter in the video said in the segment that was filmed after dark that FBI agents (shown by the hood of a truck) would guard the location overnight and that other agents would be back the next morning (Wednesday, February 13th) with a tractor and backhoe.

So the geological work was presumably done by the Dr. (whose name I can't remember right off) on Wednesday, February 13th, and then things at Tina Bar were essentially completed by the evening of Thursday, February 14th. 
 

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« Reply #2020 on: June 25, 2016, 12:32:35 PM »
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The video confirms some things I've said in the past. they are right at the find in the video. I seen the green car parked above the beach. I see the angled tree in the background along with the tree/bush that extends out on the beach.

When you try and long past the trees you should be able to see buildings, but you don't. that because it's further north as I've stated in the past.

Shutter, are you stating that you agree with the GPS coordinates from Tom Kaye?  I hope so.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2021 on: June 25, 2016, 12:37:33 PM »
Nope, they are not accurate. I have to disagree on that location for many reasons.

It's obvious, at least to me that the location Tom has is not correct. I can now see things I was stating while only looking down, or above the money location. two very similar roads could be the fault here.

also, it appears the video spans two days. the 13th, is when they used the backhoe, I think that is in the second segment. you guys are allowing the video to load right? it's 3, or 4 separate broadcasts...

Dr. Palmer is who I believe you are talking about? he can be seen towards the end of the video...
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2022 on: June 25, 2016, 02:40:40 PM »
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Well, Kenny probably cut some of the money up into those little pieces so that it wouldn't look like a plant. Such a clever clever dude.


According to Bobby Blevins, he thinks it was tossed in the river in a paper bag. sound familiar (Jo Weber)..he basically stole that theory from Jo Weber. the money would sink with, or without a bag...

Recalling someone throwing trash away 20+ years later is outstanding. it's as believable as a little girl recalling an event that had zero reasons to flash back on, or was so irrelevant that you wouldn't remember such an event.

first of all, it's a fact that the brain distorts memory over time. 30, 40 years later, and you think you can really recall such things...bullshit..

The real "detractors" that would be the FBI in there opinion, they don't buy into these stories either.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #2023 on: June 25, 2016, 05:05:07 PM »
I"m anxious to hear how he responds to this, my guess is he won't. If it isn't a plant, then Kenny had to loose the money. But, then he wouldn't be able to buy that house under "suspicious" circumstances. So much of his theory requires Kenny having the money...(the house, the hiding place, etc).
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« Reply #2024 on: June 25, 2016, 05:25:28 PM »
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I"m anxious to hear how he responds to this, my guess is he won't. If it isn't a plant, then Kenny had to loose the money. But, then he wouldn't be able to buy that house under "suspicious" circumstances. So much of his theory requires Kenny having the money...(the house, the hiding place, etc).


he will respond as fast as he did with my last comment about the FBI being "detractors" like he accuses us of being...I even gave full permission to post it elsewhere  ;D ;D ;D ;D

as he always puts it "the truth will come out" the FBI can't be much more clear about Kenny. they have had information sent to them from Bobby for years, and yet....crickets (laughs)