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Shutter · « **Reply #1980 on:** February 15, 2016, 09:39:38 AM »

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I'm a tab confused by the video. I see the trees by the river, but I don't see the beach sand. Are the trees growing in the sand? Or is the river somehow over-riding the beach cinemagraphically?

Looking at Google Earth vs Google maps I can see a difference. it's possible the water level is higher on Google earth. there just isn't much left of the beach in that area. erosion has taken it's toll.

Robert99 · « **Reply #1981 on:** February 15, 2016, 12:53:14 PM »

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I'm a tab confused by the video. I see the trees by the river, but I don't see the beach sand. Are the trees growing in the sand? Or is the river somehow over-riding the beach cinemagraphically?

Looking at Google Earth vs Google maps I can see a difference. it's possible the water level is higher on Google earth. there just isn't much left of the beach in that area. erosion has taken it's toll.

Okay, I finally got the video to work. The road (or berm) that heads off to the northeast is the upper (southern most) curve in the beach road. That curve is on about the same east /west line as the white dot with the Fazio name.

I think the bottom part of the picture shows a part of the beach road that no longer exists due to erosion. And large boulders have now been placed in that area to help control the erosion.

Do you know the date that the video was made?

Shutter · « **Reply #1982 on:** February 15, 2016, 01:01:49 PM »

The video was made yesterday. it's the year that Google Earth goes by during this period. I'll have to check and see if the year can be found. I'm assuming it's recent since it's constantly updated by Google....

Shutter · « **Reply #1983 on:** February 15, 2016, 01:04:53 PM »

Here is a photo using the same mapping Tom used in his overlay. it's a 2005 map on the left, and a 1978 photo on the right. Tom used the curved road that can be seen in both video's, but in my opinion is the wrong location since there is no tree's in the background.

Where the white diagonal line ends (southwest) or the bottom would be where the car would be parked in the helicopter video. that appears to be in the open space close to the diagonal road? it's also very close to the tip of the north spoil.

The 1974,78 & 84 USGS photo's on the Clark County website seem to be in a different scale. if you overlay them without scaling them it will give false conclusions. possibly different altitudes, I don't know?

There is a set of roads very similar to what you see now. they were north of that location. they are no longer there. a straight road is now in place due to the landscape changing. the area you speak of doesn't have the correct background to match.

Shutter · « **Reply #1984 on:** February 15, 2016, 03:32:27 PM »

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Okay, I finally got the video to work. The road (or berm) that heads off to the northeast is the upper (southern most) curve in the beach road. That curve is on about the same east /west line as the white dot with the Fazio name.

The distance to the white dot is about 409 feet. now when you look at the older years and put that measurement in the location doesn't match the background of the helicopter video. it puts it south of the location. it also doesn't match with photo's side by side. the measurement lines up with the coords.

The large amount of tree's, or forest area above the diagonal line hasn't changed a lot top to bottom. it has decreased in width due to erosion. when looking over the helicopter video you can count about 2 dozen tree's. that's just a quick count. the area where the coords are never had that much lumber. you can see that in the photo I posted above.

georger · « **Reply #1985 on:** February 15, 2016, 04:34:58 PM »

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Here is a photo using the same mapping Tom used in his overlay. it's a 2005 map on the left, and a 1978 photo on the right. Tom used the curved road that can be seen in both video's, but in my opinion is the wrong location since there is no tree's in the background.

Where the white diagonal line ends (southwest) or the bottom would be where the car would be parked in the helicopter video. that appears to be in the open space close to the diagonal road? it's also very close to the tip of the north spoil.

The 1974,78 & 84 USGS photo's on the Clark County website seem to be in a different scale. if you overlay them without scaling them it will give false conclusions. possibly different altitudes, I don't know?

There is a set of roads very similar to what you see now. they were north of that location. they are no longer there. a straight road is now in place due to the landscape changing. the area you speak of doesn't have the correct background to match.

Yes the usgs photos are in different scales. That becomes apparent the moment you enlarge any of them try to overlay a crop from one on the other - that will not work!

And that makes sense. The usgs simply had the photo work done by some contractor and maintaining the same scale for all wold have been a waste of time, and time consuming. If one was in the ballpark of the other, that was good enough for ballpark mapping. These photos were taken using an airplane not a satellite.

Let me offer this -

Shutter · « **Reply #1986 on:** February 15, 2016, 05:21:05 PM »

I guess they flew from different heights. this photo is from 1970 around the supposed land zone. I cropped out the sides, but the time, date, and altitude is on the "single frames"

Just the 3 years 74,78, and 84 were different. the other years you can switch between them and see changes. the older ones shift. I think I scale them pretty good to ge some good results though.

georger · « **Reply #1987 on:** February 17, 2016, 03:54:35 PM »

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Contour Map

May have asked this before but what's the url for this map, and the date of it?

Are contour maps available going back to 1974-80? ... for the whole length of Tena Bar ?

Shutter · « **Reply #1988 on:** February 17, 2016, 06:51:20 PM »

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Contour Map

May have asked this before but what's the url for this map, and the date of it?

Are contour maps available going back to 1974-80? ... for the whole length of Tena Bar ?

I'll have to look it up again, but it doesn't give yearly contour maps

Shutter · « **Reply #1989 on:** February 20, 2016, 11:50:02 PM »

I figured out the USGS website. I was downloading medium resolution pics. just downloaded 1986...you can zoom in really close without distortion...uploading 1980 now.

Update: None of the 1980 photo's have high resolution

doing 1975 at the moment.

georger · « **Reply #1990 on:** June 01, 2016, 12:31:27 AM »

Previously undisclosed Tina Bar Money Find history:

No.1 The Ingrams were not alone when they found Cooper money at Tina Bar, in 1980. A number of other people were also on site some of them fishing. Several witnessed the Ingrams walking and talking, then suddenly digging and finding the money. Several people that were there gave testimony to law enforcement officials, later.

No.2 When the FBI arrived on Tina Bar around noon on February 12, 1980, following the press conference with the Ingrams at the Federal Building in Portland earlier that day, the FBI encountered and interviewed several people fishing on the sandbar. One of them was Mr. Sidney T., retired and living in Vancouver at the time. With Sidney was his friend Mr. Robert O., a retired civil engineer. Both Sid and Robert were very familiar with Tina Bar and its surroundings - this lead to a discussion between Sidney, Robert, and FBI agents gathering. Both Sidney and Robert gave Agents their view on where and how the money might have come to be on Tina Bar, based on their long time knowledge of Tina Bar and the surrounding area. Several creeks and their feeding grounds were mentioned. One of these creeks is a creek that Robert99 focused on several years ago and has been interested in ...

Sidney recounted for Agents how there were rumors of money being found at Tina Bar a year earlier. He gave the name of one individual involved.

Both Sidney and Robert were interviewed by newspaper reporters later.

MarkBennett · « **Reply #1991 on:** June 01, 2016, 12:43:29 AM »

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Previously undisclosed Tina Bar Money Find history:

No.1 The Ingrams were not alone when they found Cooper money at Tina Bar, in 1980. A number of other people were also on site some of them fishing. Several witnessed the Ingrams walking and talking, then suddenly digging and finding the money. Several people that were there gave testimony to law enforcement officials, later.

No.2 When the FBI arrived on Tina Bar around noon on February 12, 1980, following the press conference with the Ingrams at the Federal Building in Portland earlier that day, the FBI encountered and interviewed several people fishing on the sandbar. One of them was Mr. Sidney T., retired and living in Vancouver at the time. With Sidney was his friend Mr. Robert O., a retired civil engineer. Both Sid and Robert were very familiar with Tina Bar and its surroundings - this lead to a discussion between Sidney, Robert, and FBI agents gathering. Both Sidney and Robert gave Agents their view on where and how the money might have come to be on Tina Bar, based on their long time knowledge of Tina Bar and the surrounding area. Several creeks and their feeding grounds were mentioned. One of these creeks is a creek that Robert99 focused on several years ago and has been interested in ...

Sidney recounted for Agents how there were rumors of money being found at Tina Bar a year earlier. He gave the name of one individual involved.

Both Sidney and Robert were interviewed by newspaper reporters later.

Interesting....Grey Cop had stated before that someone told the Ingram children where to dig, and I think you said previously that he's not the only one who's said that.

I wish Brian had stayed on here and talked about how he remembers the money find.

georger · « **Reply #1992 on:** June 01, 2016, 01:01:23 AM »

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Previously undisclosed Tina Bar Money Find history:

No.1 The Ingrams were not alone when they found Cooper money at Tina Bar, in 1980. A number of other people were also on site some of them fishing. Several witnessed the Ingrams walking and talking, then suddenly digging and finding the money. Several people that were there gave testimony to law enforcement officials, later.

No.2 When the FBI arrived on Tina Bar around noon on February 12, 1980, following the press conference with the Ingrams at the Federal Building in Portland earlier that day, the FBI encountered and interviewed several people fishing on the sandbar. One of them was Mr. Sidney T., retired and living in Vancouver at the time. With Sidney was his friend Mr. Robert O., a retired civil engineer. Both Sid and Robert were very familiar with Tina Bar and its surroundings - this lead to a discussion between Sidney, Robert, and FBI agents gathering. Both Sidney and Robert gave Agents their view on where and how the money might have come to be on Tina Bar, based on their long time knowledge of Tina Bar and the surrounding area. Several creeks and their feeding grounds were mentioned. One of these creeks is a creek that Robert99 focused on several years ago and has been interested in ...

Sidney recounted for Agents how there were rumors of money being found at Tina Bar a year earlier. He gave the name of one individual involved.

Both Sidney and Robert were interviewed by newspaper reporters later.

Interesting....Grey Cop had stated before that someone told the Ingram children where to dig, and I think you said previously that he's not the only one who's said that.

I wish Brian had stayed on here and talked about how he remembers the money find.

I have nothing that indicates the Ingrams had fore-knowledge of money buried at Tina Bar.

The rumors of money having been found previously on Tina Bar is just that - rumors. Nothing of any real substance has surfaced in that department, in spite of several new claims made just a few years ago. Sid T having told the FBI about this rumor is however documented, and he was interviewed and his claim was published later. He recounted the story again in 1986 in front of people, publicly.

Bruce A. Smith · « **Reply #1993 on:** June 01, 2016, 03:10:51 AM »

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Previously undisclosed Tina Bar Money Find history:

No.1 The Ingrams were not alone when they found Cooper money at Tina Bar, in 1980. A number of other people were also on site some of them fishing. Several witnessed the Ingrams walking and talking, then suddenly digging and finding the money. Several people that were there gave testimony to law enforcement officials, later.

No.2 When the FBI arrived on Tina Bar around noon on February 12, 1980, following the press conference with the Ingrams at the Federal Building in Portland earlier that day, the FBI encountered and interviewed several people fishing on the sandbar. One of them was Mr. Sidney T., retired and living in Vancouver at the time. With Sidney was his friend Mr. Robert O., a retired civil engineer. Both Sid and Robert were very familiar with Tina Bar and its surroundings - this lead to a discussion between Sidney, Robert, and FBI agents gathering. Both Sidney and Robert gave Agents their view on where and how the money might have come to be on Tina Bar, based on their long time knowledge of Tina Bar and the surrounding area. Several creeks and their feeding grounds were mentioned. One of these creeks is a creek that Robert99 focused on several years ago and has been interested in ...

Sidney recounted for Agents how there were rumors of money being found at Tina Bar a year earlier. He gave the name of one individual involved.

Both Sidney and Robert were interviewed by newspaper reporters later.

Very cool.

georger · « **Reply #1994 on:** June 01, 2016, 04:06:20 AM »

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Previously undisclosed Tina Bar Money Find history:

No.1 The Ingrams were not alone when they found Cooper money at Tina Bar, in 1980. A number of other people were also on site some of them fishing. Several witnessed the Ingrams walking and talking, then suddenly digging and finding the money. Several people that were there gave testimony to law enforcement officials, later.

No.2 When the FBI arrived on Tina Bar around noon on February 12, 1980, following the press conference with the Ingrams at the Federal Building in Portland earlier that day, the FBI encountered and interviewed several people fishing on the sandbar. One of them was Mr. Sidney T., retired and living in Vancouver at the time. With Sidney was his friend Mr. Robert O., a retired civil engineer. Both Sid and Robert were very familiar with Tina Bar and its surroundings - this lead to a discussion between Sidney, Robert, and FBI agents gathering. Both Sidney and Robert gave Agents their view on where and how the money might have come to be on Tina Bar, based on their long time knowledge of Tina Bar and the surrounding area. Several creeks and their feeding grounds were mentioned. One of these creeks is a creek that Robert99 focused on several years ago and has been interested in ...

Sidney recounted for Agents how there were rumors of money being found at Tina Bar a year earlier. He gave the name of one individual involved.

Both Sidney and Robert were interviewed by newspaper reporters later.

Very cool.

I have a feeling some of their descendants are still alive and could be interviewed. I have the names. It would be interesting to know what legends or facts could be dredged up ... ?

I also agree with Mark, it would have been nice had Brian stuck around to receive a few questions. What does he remember of the people who were there fishing when his family was at Tina Bar? They saw him. Did he see and speak to them? Did his father? What was said? Tom has never brought this up either. But, none of this is conjecture on my part but absolute fact, verified. The Tina Bar money find did not happen in a vacuum. Knowing that gives perspective to people's claims. Central to Tina Bar and the money find there is the fact that this place was a widely-regularly used fishing bar with people in and out of there daily for years. If money is not seen or found there except during a certain period when it was found, like Sid and his friend said, 'there has to be a damned good reason for that!' Now maybe you understand why Ive been so coy about this whole matter for so long, knowing full well there was more to the story than the published factoids on the surface were telling.

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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

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