Author Topic: Tena Bar Money Find (Read 1429120 times)

Shutter · « **Reply #1935 on:** February 10, 2016, 11:06:37 AM »

If you go approx. 180 feet (60 yards) from the money find south you will land somewhere close to the tip of the northern spoil. this would lead one to believe the material was pushed north leaving a trail of segments up and down the beach, or just the natural flow of the material spilling onto the beach.

Robert99 · « **Reply #1936 on:** February 10, 2016, 11:26:28 AM »

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R99 ANSWERS: The fragments have absolutely nothing to contribute to this matter at the present time. Where they are and how they got there is not of any significance today.

Can I quote you on that, Robert? I find it a remarkable statement.

Indeed you may. And in return, let me ask you a simple question. Exactly what were you doing 36 years ago today?

I was having sex.

You?

Today is the 36th anniversary of Brian Ingram's finding the money at Tina Bar on Sunday, February 10, 1980. Dorwin and most of the other FBI agents were digging at Tina Bar on February 12th and 13th, 1980. After that, they went back to their normal activities.

Bruce A. Smith · « **Reply #1937 on:** February 10, 2016, 03:43:49 PM »

Yes! Happy T-Bar Money Find Anniversary everyone.

For those reveling in February activities, such as shoveling snow, chipping ice, etc., it has been a balmy 62 degrees in Cooper Country the past few days. We even had a bunch of sunny days.

And a hat-tip to Mrs. Cooper. I understand that she reads these pages every day and is pleased to see that we are discussing all the relevant topics that she endeavored to have us probe lo' those many years at the Other Place.

Shutter · « **Reply #1938 on:** February 10, 2016, 05:17:32 PM »

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And a hat-tip to Mrs. Cooper. I understand that she reads these pages every day and is pleased to see that we are discussing all the relevant topics that she endeavored to have us probe lo' those many years at the Other Place.

That's because Duane was Cooper, no wait, Kenny was Cooper, hold on a second. LD was Cooper.

Maybe all 3...LD calls Kenny, and tells him where to jump. Duane is "the man on the ground" he scoops up Kenny, taking him to safety. all three split the cash, and go separate ways....The End

Bruce A. Smith · « **Reply #1939 on:** February 10, 2016, 06:00:44 PM »

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If you go approx. 180 feet (60 yards) from the money find south you will land somewhere close to the tip of the northern spoil. this would lead one to believe the material was pushed north leaving a trail of segments up and down the beach, or just the natural flow of the material spilling onto the beach.

Any thoughts on how the Ingrams missed this 180-foot trail of fragments that "even a blind man could follow," according to Dorwin?

Could the Trail of Fragments have appeared after February 10, but before Feb 12 when Himms' posse arrived on the scene?

Shutter · « **Reply #1940 on:** February 10, 2016, 06:05:03 PM »

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If you go approx. 180 feet (60 yards) from the money find south you will land somewhere close to the tip of the northern spoil. this would lead one to believe the material was pushed north leaving a trail of segments up and down the beach, or just the natural flow of the material spilling onto the beach.

Any thoughts on how the Ingrams missed this 180-foot trail of fragments that "even a blind man could follow," according to Dorwin?

Could the Trail of Fragments have appeared after February 10, but before Feb 12 when Himms posse arrived on the scene?

Did they dig up the beach (Ingram") it's my understanding the frags were at different depths. I wasn't there on the beach, so I'm just replying to a post that had figures on it.

Shutter · « **Reply #1941 on:** February 13, 2016, 04:46:41 PM »

Ok, I've spent a considerable amount of time looking over all the photo's of Tena Bar. I believe I have pinpointed the location. Tom's yellow pin is in the wrong location. one thing that gives this away is the fact of no tree's extending out onto the beach.

The 2009 location is also too far south. I had several problems lining up the older photo's on the Clark County website. I noticed further north on Tena bar the photo is skewed on 3 of the years. that's why it was giving me the wrong coords, and not lining up when I changed years. I notified them, but haven't heard from them.

The location is even further north than I expected. once I found the location the numbers started to match much better than looking at the original area's marked. it just wasn't adding up.

Bruce A. Smith · « **Reply #1942 on:** February 13, 2016, 08:17:17 PM »

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If you go approx. 180 feet (60 yards) from the money find south you will land somewhere close to the tip of the northern spoil. this would lead one to believe the material was pushed north leaving a trail of segments up and down the beach, or just the natural flow of the material spilling onto the beach.

Any thoughts on how the Ingrams missed this 180-foot trail of fragments that "even a blind man could follow," according to Dorwin?

Could the Trail of Fragments have appeared after February 10, but before Feb 12 when Himms posse arrived on the scene?

Did they dig up the beach (Ingram") it's my understanding the frags were at different depths. I wasn't there on the beach, so I'm just replying to a post that had figures on it.

Not that I know of. I don't think the Ingrams did any digging. Hence, they would have missed all/most of the fragments that were discovered at depth. Therefore, it begs the question of what Dorwin means by a trail of shards that even a blind man could follow.

Shutter · « **Reply #1943 on:** February 13, 2016, 09:56:15 PM »

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If you go approx. 180 feet (60 yards) from the money find south you will land somewhere close to the tip of the northern spoil. this would lead one to believe the material was pushed north leaving a trail of segments up and down the beach, or just the natural flow of the material spilling onto the beach.

Any thoughts on how the Ingrams missed this 180-foot trail of fragments that "even a blind man could follow," according to Dorwin?

Could the Trail of Fragments have appeared after February 10, but before Feb 12 when Himms posse arrived on the scene?

Did they dig up the beach (Ingram") it's my understanding the frags were at different depths. I wasn't there on the beach, so I'm just replying to a post that had figures on it.

Not that I know of. I don't think the Ingrams did any digging. Hence, they would have missed all/most of the fragments that were discovered at depth. Therefore, it begs the question of what Dorwin means by a trail of shards that even a blind man could follow.

I haven't a clue. it speaks volumes of a dredge tearing the money up in the pump? why has the FBI, Palmer, and the Army Corps come to the conclusion it wasn't the work of a dredge?

I'm curious now, in this 1986 photo it shows dredging going on at the bottom of Tena bar. note how the slurry is going downstream. it also on the beach.

georger · « **Reply #1944 on:** February 14, 2016, 12:02:24 AM »

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If you go approx. 180 feet (60 yards) from the money find south you will land somewhere close to the tip of the northern spoil. this would lead one to believe the material was pushed north leaving a trail of segments up and down the beach, or just the natural flow of the material spilling onto the beach.

Any thoughts on how the Ingrams missed this 180-foot trail of fragments that "even a blind man could follow," according to Dorwin?

Could the Trail of Fragments have appeared after February 10, but before Feb 12 when Himms posse arrived on the scene?

Did they dig up the beach (Ingram") it's my understanding the frags were at different depths. I wasn't there on the beach, so I'm just replying to a post that had figures on it.

Not that I know of. I don't think the Ingrams did any digging. Hence, they would have missed all/most of the fragments that were discovered at depth. Therefore, it begs the question of what Dorwin means by a trail of shards that even a blind man could follow.

I haven't a clue. it speaks volumes of a dredge tearing the money up in the pump? why has the FBI, Palmer, and the Army Corps come to the conclusion it wasn't the work of a dredge?

I'm curious now, in this 1986 photo it shows dredging going on at the bottom of Tena bar. note how the slurry is going downstream. it also on the beach.

In false color the slurry stream can be seen easily flowing downstream. The new deposit and its slurry are orange.

georger · « **Reply #1945 on:** February 14, 2016, 12:25:08 AM »

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Ok, I've spent a considerable amount of time looking over all the photo's of Tena Bar. I believe I have pinpointed the location. Tom's yellow pin is in the wrong location. one thing that gives this away is the fact of no tree's extending out onto the beach.

The 2009 location is also too far south. I had several problems lining up the older photo's on the Clark County website. I noticed further north on Tena bar the photo is skewed on 3 of the years. that's why it was giving me the wrong coords, and not lining up when I changed years. I notified them, but haven't heard from them.

The location is even further north than I expected. once I found the location the numbers started to match much better than looking at the original area's marked. it just wasn't adding up.

Shutter and I have been working on this on the side. We have compared charts (TK) and photos (USGS-KIRO). Shutter's good eye allowed us to nail down specific trees at specific locations, road and other landmarks, a car parked on the road in one KIRO 1980 excavation frame, etc - using all of the above sources Shutter and I are in agreement ... (pending any last minute thoughts or objections?)

With this it is now possible to make legitimate measurements of distances etc relative to other events at Tena Bar, dredging in 1974, etc.

Shutter · « **Reply #1946 on:** February 14, 2016, 12:34:21 AM »

I don't want to say 100%, but a lot of things are adding up. the further south you go, the less amount of tree's in background become apparent. then you have to worry about the north spoil.

It was good the 1980 photo's had the tree's bare (no leaves) but makes it a little tricky looking at all the other photo's full of life. it also cover's a lot of roads that are hidden inside, and behind the money location. makes it harder to identifiy tree formation etc.

I emailed USGS about some of the photo's (1980) is the one needed with a better resolution, but haven't got a response.

georger · « **Reply #1947 on:** February 14, 2016, 12:50:06 AM »

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I don't want to say 100%, but a lot of things are adding up. the further south you go, the less amount of tree's in background become apparent. then you have to worry about the north spoil.

It was good the 1980 photo's had the tree's bare (no leaves) but makes it a little tricky looking at all the other photo's full of life. it also cover's a lot of roads that are hidden inside, and behind the money location. makes it harder to identifiy tree formation etc.

I emailed USGS about some of the photo's (1980) is the one needed with a better resolution, but haven't got a response.

I added the position of the car in mine above - that makes it even easier to line landmarks up...

will add it here ...

Shutter · « **Reply #1948 on:** February 14, 2016, 12:55:23 AM »

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I don't want to say 100%, but a lot of things are adding up. the further south you go, the less amount of tree's in background become apparent. then you have to worry about the north spoil.

It was good the 1980 photo's had the tree's bare (no leaves) but makes it a little tricky looking at all the other photo's full of life. it also cover's a lot of roads that are hidden inside, and behind the money location. makes it harder to identifiy tree formation etc.

I emailed USGS about some of the photo's (1980) is the one needed with a better resolution, but haven't got a response.

I added the position of the car in mine above - that makes it even easier to line landmarks up...

That is the position I believe Tom was thinking of. if you place the car in that position, his yellow pin would be in front of it....

georger · « **Reply #1949 on:** February 14, 2016, 12:56:09 AM »

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I don't want to say 100%, but a lot of things are adding up. the further south you go, the less amount of tree's in background become apparent. then you have to worry about the north spoil.

It was good the 1980 photo's had the tree's bare (no leaves) but makes it a little tricky looking at all the other photo's full of life. it also cover's a lot of roads that are hidden inside, and behind the money location. makes it harder to identifiy tree formation etc.

I emailed USGS about some of the photo's (1980) is the one needed with a better resolution, but haven't got a response.

I added the position of the car in mine above - that makes it even easier to line landmarks up...

That is the position I believe Tom was thinking of. if you place the car in that position, his yellow pin would be in front of it....

I think so too ... I guess we need to add a scale!

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