Perhaps this will help? the marker in the water should of been further up even with the blue dot....helicopter was almost in line with the money find..

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Perhaps this will help? the marker in the water should of been further up even with the blue dot....helicopter was almost in line with the money find..

What are those structures in the upper right hand corner of the left picture?  I doubt if the green arrows in the left picture correctly locate the northeast berm leading away from the road that is between the beach and the containment pit.

Not structures. I believe it's a line of cars from all the agents on the beach. the last time I blew up that area I could see what appears to be vehicles.

does this help? the pictures are reversed, but should help locate certain landscapes...

The top right side of the picture on the left would be whats left of the northern spoil...

Can anyone else see what I can see?

Just look at the amount of trees seen in the helicopter shot. there isn't, nor was there ever that amount in the area the coords are given.

I don't think that is the same tree. besides, that would be the wrong location. the money find was to the right of the tree in the circle, and upward on the beach. the tree behind Brian in 1980 is a large slanted tree.

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Just look at the amount of trees seen in the helicopter shot. there isn't, nor was there ever that amount in the area the coords are given.

I don't think that is the same tree. besides, that would be the wrong location. the money find was to the right of the tree in the circle, and upward on the beach. the tree behind Brian in 1980 is a large slanted tree.

So where was Kaye's shot of Brian taken?

Where was Kaye's shot of the eroded bank taken?

I am 1000% lost.

The two pictures of Brian that I was referring to are on Sluggo's web site and give Brian's age as eight years old.  There is snow on the ground and these pictures would have to have been taken AFTER the money had been found and the FBI digging completed.  So that would be sometime after February 13, 1980.

Also, in the pictures, Brian is by a pile of dirt that is probably a result of the FBI evacuations.  Since that pile of dirt is on the beach, it would have been smoothed out, or removed, by any river water level that reached that elevation.

So again, these two pictures of Brian at the age of 8 had to be taken AFTER the FBI digging was completed on February 13, 1980 and were probably taken by the local media.

Also, the angle between the northeast road/berm extension and the north/south parking of the FBI vehicles on the east side of the containment pit does not appear to be correct.

I'm sticking with the money find location being between the containment pit and the water.

The Palmer Report vs. Tom Kaye-

On his website, Tom Kaye presents a photo of an eroded bank at some undisclosed location at Tena Bar. Tom says that this photo shows "several continuous layers of consolidated clay" which are "natural clay", and one and the same as the "clay" layer Palmer identified as the dredging layer, during the excavation of Tena Bar in 1980. Tom says that Palmer's clay layer was not dredging spoils but the same natural clay layer(s) Tom has found in 2009. And, that Palmer was wrong in his identification(s). Tom provides no information or linkage to prove his assertion.

The Palmer Report in contrast to Kaye's analysis, Palmer's analysis is very detailed and specific. Palmer explains and defends his findings. Palmer says that he found a number of strata at Tena Bar, among those four principle strata, as follows.

Layer No.1 - Upper Active Sand Layer: This consisted of an upper sand layer six inches to eight inches thick of reworked beach sand which contained the fragments and bundles of the recovered money. This sand contained recently arrived soda pop cans and other debris which did not show severe damage or rust. This upper six to eight inches of beach sand is the active layer currently being worked by water events including the Columbia River.

Layer No.2 - Cross Bedded Coarse & Medium Sand Layer: This sand layer consisted of cross bedded course and medium sands indicating it has been worked on repeatedly over time by the river and river waves probably since 1974. 8-24” in depth. It contains older soda pop cans, rusted nails and spikes, and other rusted artifacts which are in a much more deteriorated condition in contrast to the items found in the upper active layer which is newer.

Layer No.3 - Organic Clay Lump & Coarse Sand Mixture: This layer consists of a mixture of fragments of organic clay material 1 to 5 inches in size mixed with coarse sand. It is darker in color than the layers above and below it. It measured approximately 2 feet thick near the money find site to 4 feet thick or more 25 yards south of the money site probably due to changing elevations and spreading by the Fazios in 1974. This is dredging material which shows the evidence of having been mixed and spread. This is not a combination nature produces.

Older Uniform Sands Light in Color: This layer consists of older sands which are light in color and uniform in texture and below the clay lump sand dredging layer, deposited prior to 1974. It begins below the dredging layer from approximately 4’ and below.

Discussion: Kaye describes his "several continuous layers of consolidated clay" as "natural clay". Palmer describes his layer no.3 as something completely different, namely an "organic clay lump & coarse sand mixture". Kaye's layer(s) are consolidated natural clay. Palmer's layer is an "organic clay lump & coarse sand MIXTURE". Palmer's mixture is compatible with the makeup of bottom dredging spoils which have been mechanically mixed. Kaye's layer is not compatible with the makeup of bottom dredging spoils.

Moreover, Palmer found the thickness of Layer No.3 changed and got thicker when he sampled near the Ingram money find site then went south 25 yards and sampled closer to the principle dredging deposition site pictured in the 1974 USGS photo. Palmer sampled in two locations 25 yards apart. Kaye cannot make a similar claim!

Conclusion: The clay layers Kaye found are not the Layer No.3 Palmer found.

I have been through that video frame by frame and here is how it looks to me.

First, let me also point out that you should compare this video with the 1979 (and 1974) FBI aerial photographs and note that the 1979 photograph was made on September 29, 1979 and the 1974 photograph was made on September 6, 1974.  And the video was made about February 12th or 13th of 1980.  The point here is that there is vegetation and tree leaves in the summer but not necessarily in February.

It appears to me that you are calling the north side of the containment pit the northeast extension of the berm.  To me it appears that the vegetation north of the containment pit has simply been mowed.  All of that area is on the east side of the tree line between the containment pit and the beach.

And to me it appears that the northeast extension of the berm starts near the top of the picture (but not quite in the left hand corner).  There is another dirt area just to the left (in the picture) that seems to show up in the 1974 picture.

The beach road with a vehicle parked between the two dig areas is long since gone due to erosion.  The present day short vehicle road is much nearer the containment pit tree line and essentially parallels that tree line. I cannot identify specific trees between the video and the 1979 photograph.

From the above, it appears to me that the money find location is well within the pencil circle on the 1979 photograph.