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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

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Voting closed: August 16, 2016, 09:05:28 AM

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Offline Bruce A. Smith

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #1650 on: December 19, 2015, 03:25:05 AM »
More tongue lashings!  Whew. The Grammar Police can be harsh, even when speaking the truth. Maybe Sister Augustine's criticisms in 7th grade grammar struck deeper than I've acknowledge, or 900 therapy sessions have been able to penetrate...

..ah, there's the Twequila.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #1651 on: December 19, 2015, 03:43:57 AM »
Tell me when you get to tresquila, and I'll join you.

Or tres-quila. Or tres quilas. Whatever.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #1652 on: December 19, 2015, 05:48:05 AM »
I, um, will try...
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #1653 on: December 19, 2015, 12:01:29 PM »
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I, um, will try...

Sorry, word play just isn't my thing.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #1654 on: December 19, 2015, 12:52:05 PM »
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I have received as much ridicule from Georger as anyone else, here and at the DropZone. So, I know how it feels. The first few salvos, back in 2008, were tough to swallow, but I stuck it out. I encourage everyone else to do the same.

As for those who feel overwhelmed, and suffer mightily as their private, personal theories are violated without mercy and they need to recoil back into solitude for safety, well, please know that you're running with the Big Dogs here and shit's gonna happen. I recommend you lick your wounds, slug a few rounds of Tequila, and come back and rejoin us when you're refreshed and renewed. You may find new allies and friends. I know I have.

I have also found private conversations (PMs, emails, etc.) to be immensely helpful in restoring one's equilibrium. Just sayin'...

A theory should be questioned, vetted, analyzed and dissected especially in a case like this, it hasn't moved in ages and keeps going in circles. If there is evidence that contradicts it, then present it..  Sometimes, you need to take risks in thinking to find new things.
Do I believe the Ingrams planted the money, unlikely. Is it possible, yes, is it worth consideration, yes. Unless there is some evidence that contradicts it and some of the long timers know stuff that is not public. The explanations for the T Bar find are as theoretical and some more-so than the Ingram plant theory.. If the Ingrams planted the money then the money came from elsewhere and that location could lead to Cooper.

I did find that David now lives in Arkansas 20 min from Dwayne..



Also a DZ post from Snowmman.."I know their family led them to it..."  he seemed to think it was Brians ex, could be, or a troll?

but I tried to find the original comment in suite101 and couldn't, however, the poster name satelliteman501 is odd. I found that Christy's addy shows a male name that came up in a Direct TV lawsuit for satellite piracy..  can't confirm it is the same person though.. So, satelliteman501 may have been her relatives username. They are in Oklahoma.

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Christy Axxxx, Brian's first wife, they divorced. Christy gets all uppity about child support payments, article in the Oregonian ((edit) or was it The Columbian), she posts to suite101 with you(Jo) there, talking about it, she also claimed that the cousin was involved in the money find, and that the family didn't talk about it much.

Now this all could have been divorce rage.

Now in suite101, the following was posted, along with some others (which Jo actually interacted with).

I traced back thru some stuff. And I think the poster really was Brian's divorced wife. I think some of the things she said were too far out there, and just flaming.

But it caught my eye that she mentioned the cousin thing.

(following is quoted from suite101)
I am in the process of submitting information I have to the FBI, but how in the world do you think a little boy and his cousin knew exactly where to dig in the sand on that beach. I know their family led them to it.... And, in response to the movies out there, 3/4 of that is not true. That's not even close to what the real story is.... Brian Ingram's father actually looks like the FBI drawing of DB Cooper. I could go on ALL DAY, I have so much information on this subject... When I was married into the family, it was so hush-hush, I wasn't allowed to ask questions and this was never discussed. Most of the information I have is because I have researched and found it out for myself.... The Ingram family has the answers.... I feel sorry for all the false leads out there. I also saw the story about the widow that thinks her deceased husband is DB Cooper; I know she truely believes this...I cried watching her story, because that's how strongly I believe the INGRAM family is connected to all of this....

-- posted by satelliteman501
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #1655 on: December 19, 2015, 04:30:04 PM »
To what end? Why would they plant the money? What would be gained that is worth 35 years of lying to the feds? I don't see the payoff to this bit of speculation.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #1656 on: December 19, 2015, 07:32:11 PM »
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To what end? Why would they plant the money? What would be gained that is worth 35 years of lying to the feds? I don't see the payoff to this bit of speculation.

If they did find it elsewhere, they may have needed to transfer the "monetization" to the children, so they staged the find, perhaps they had outstanding debts that may have taken any reward. Dwayne had a warrant for leaving Arkansas with a mortgaged vehicle.

Or they may have found it on private property and lose some or all of the claim to it..

But, who goes on a picnic in February? nobody,,,  they put the money in a plastic hot dog bun bag apparently..

The house at 2517 E 35th is linked to Dwayne and David but the timing is uncertain, it is less than 1 mile from the line between Battle Ground and Tomahawk Island with a large park and creek next to it (in green on map), more interestingly is U-Cart Concrete where Dwayne worked, right on the line from Battle Ground (in Yellow on map).

These images are from 1990,,

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #1657 on: December 19, 2015, 07:44:51 PM »
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To what end? Why would they plant the money? What would be gained that is worth 35 years of lying to the feds? I don't see the payoff to this bit of speculation.

If they did find it elsewhere, they may have needed to transfer the "monetization" to the children, so they staged the find, perhaps they had outstanding debts that may have taken any reward. Dwayne had a warrant for leaving Arkansas with a mortgaged vehicle.

Or they may have found it on private property and lose some or all of the claim to it..

But, who goes on a picnic in February? nobody,,,  they put the money in a plastic hot dog bun bag apparently..

The house at 2517 E 35th is linked to Dwayne and David but the timing is uncertain, it is less than 1 mile from the line between Battle Ground and Tomahawk Island with a large park and creek next to it (in green on map), more interestingly is U-Cart Concrete where Dwayne worked, right on the line from Battle Ground (in Yellow on map).

These images are from 1990,,

Why do you find these areas and lines interesting and why do you feel that they are connected to the Cooper hijacking?
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #1658 on: December 20, 2015, 01:06:27 AM »
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But, who goes on a picnic in February? nobody...

Not true.

You're not from Cooper Country, are you Fly? Picnicking in February may not be commonplace, but it is not unusual. We have two seasons in Cooper Country: Hot, dry and delightful in July and August. Cold, cloudy, rainy, drippy, dismal and cool from September until June, which is often called Junuary, to distinguish it from the more centrally placed month that starts the new year.

It's never really cold in our rainy season. It's just mucky and yucky. Hence, we are liable to do about anything at anytime. Lots of folks wear T-shirts and shorts year 'round, so roasting weenies on a cool Sunday afternoon is no big deal.

Case in point - I BBQ year round.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #1659 on: December 20, 2015, 09:26:27 AM »
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To what end? Why would they plant the money? What would be gained that is worth 35 years of lying to the feds?
These are great questions.  I think you've made your case that there could be something going on here, but you need to explain the motive.  Enough circling the field, it's time to land the plane.   

Why would the Ingrams plant the money?  Why wouldn't they capitalize on this information now?
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #1660 on: December 20, 2015, 11:22:11 AM »
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But, who goes on a picnic in February? nobody...

Not true.

You're not from Cooper Country, are you Fly? Picnicking in February may not be commonplace, but it is not unusual. We have two seasons in Cooper Country: Hot, dry and delightful in July and August. Cold, cloudy, rainy, drippy, dismal and cool from September until June, which is often called Junuary, to distinguish it from the more centrally placed month that starts the new year.

It's never really cold in our rainy season. It's just mucky and yucky. Hence, we are liable to do about anything at anytime. Lots of folks wear T-shirts and shorts year 'round, so roasting weenies on a cool Sunday afternoon is no big deal.

Case in point - I BBQ year round.

I grew up in the Vancouver BC area and had friends throughout Western Wa in my younger days, so I am familiar with the PNW climate. Our climate here is very similar and it would be extremely rare to go to the "beach" for a picnic in February with a young family. I have never heard of it and I have lived next to the water/ocean my entire life. Home BBQing year round is common but that is different from a "beach" picnic.
Taking a young family to a "beach" in 40 degree weather in early February for a picnic is not normal.

Another thing that is odd, they put the found money into a plastic hot dog bag but claimed to clear the area to start a fire for warmth. So, did they have hot dogs, didn't they need to cook them? If so, Why didn't they start a fire to cook the hot dogs?

And, if they did a search after they found the money, they probably did it by hand so it would have been very superficial. They left within two hours, so why didn't Dwayne and David return with shovels to do a more thorough search? They were young financially struggling families, you'd expect them to make sure there was no more, but they never returned. If your brother came home with bundles of cash from under the sand wouldn't you want to got look for more,,

As for motives, I gave a few examples,,

They may have found the money on private property which would put any claim in jeopardy.

They may have stolen it or received it from another party.

They may have outstanding debts and wanted to monetize the find through the children.


Right behind U-Cart Concrete where Dwayne worked is what appears to be about a 20 acre lot that is shrubs and a large marshy wetland with a permanent pond. Looking at images over the years it seems to have seasonal flooding and drying. This is under v23.
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #1661 on: December 21, 2015, 04:38:12 PM »
News article,,

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"FBI agents found wadded up $20 bills Wednesday in muck dredged from the Columbia"

"One agent at the site said he dug up a formless fist-sized clump of money he described "a wadded up bunch of $20 bills."

So, was material found initially assumed to be money later found to not be? or what happened to it?

and the pieces/fragments that Brian got back were reconstructed to identify more bills,, so what did the FBI actually do?

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #1662 on: December 21, 2015, 05:25:44 PM »
I don't think the FBI did anything with the added serial numbers. the money was awarded to Brian, so they might of recorded the numbers found.
 

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« Reply #1663 on: December 21, 2015, 10:54:16 PM »
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But, who goes on a picnic in February? nobody...

Not true.

You're not from Cooper Country, are you Fly? Picnicking in February may not be commonplace, but it is not unusual. We have two seasons in Cooper Country: Hot, dry and delightful in July and August. Cold, cloudy, rainy, drippy, dismal and cool from September until June, which is often called Junuary, to distinguish it from the more centrally placed month that starts the new year.

It's never really cold in our rainy season. It's just mucky and yucky. Hence, we are liable to do about anything at anytime. Lots of folks wear T-shirts and shorts year 'round, so roasting weenies on a cool Sunday afternoon is no big deal.

Case in point - I BBQ year round.

I grew up in the Vancouver BC area and had friends throughout Western Wa in my younger days, so I am familiar with the PNW climate. Our climate here is very similar and it would be extremely rare to go to the "beach" for a picnic in February with a young family. I have never heard of it and I have lived next to the water/ocean my entire life. Home BBQing year round is common but that is different from a "beach" picnic.
Taking a young family to a "beach" in 40 degree weather in early February for a picnic is not normal.

Another thing that is odd, they put the found money into a plastic hot dog bag but claimed to clear the area to start a fire for warmth. So, did they have hot dogs, didn't they need to cook them? If so, Why didn't they start a fire to cook the hot dogs?

And, if they did a search after they found the money, they probably did it by hand so it would have been very superficial. They left within two hours, so why didn't Dwayne and David return with shovels to do a more thorough search? They were young financially struggling families, you'd expect them to make sure there was no more, but they never returned. If your brother came home with bundles of cash from under the sand wouldn't you want to got look for more,,

Interesting?  Yes.  Plausible?  Yes.  Probable?  that's the questions.  I don't see anything suspicious in the Ingram's actions that day.  We go to the lake shore in much worse conditions during the winter months to try to keep the winter blues and cabin fever at bay.  Being a young couple with a rugrat or two, taking a trip to the river seems like very natural action, especially if they were active in the outdoors, and not your typical couch potatoes.

Having a wife and 4 kids, I can tell you this: when the sun is setting, the wife is cold, the kids are muddy and there's school tomorrow and the wife says it's time to go, it's time to go.  After a couple hours of digging through the sand, I think they had a pretty good idea that there wasn't any more money to be found.  Nothing out of the ordinary here.

That being said, I think what you are proposing is pretty interesting.  Does the statute of limitations apply in Washington State to items found on private property?  I think it might.  If so, what would stop the Ingrams from "coming clean" and profiting from their knowledge?  Is there any way to prove your theory?  Do you have any "inside" knowledge that could help prove your theory?

Sorry you are receiving so much scrutiny for you thoughts, but there have been so many kooks attached to the Cooper Case over the years that many of the people around here have become quite jaded.  Either that or they are "kooks" themselves!   :-*
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #1664 on: December 21, 2015, 11:23:44 PM »
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Sorry you are receiving so much scrutiny for you thoughts, but there have been so many kooks attached to the Cooper Case over the years that many of the people around here have become quite jaded.  Either that or they are "kooks" themselves!   :-*

NMI,

Just hang around and you will be in that same condition sooner than you imagine. :)